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Belichick is the Popovich of the NFL.
Pop has more class than Belichick.
Kick the Suns' asses again Pop.
That's a letter that I would have loved to read. Pop's take on team USA = instant classic.Quote:
Originally Posted by spurscenter
He may be CIA Pop, but you have to think that he would never stoop to something as seedy as "Spygate" - like Belecheat did.
Popovich was Bilicheck before Belichick before Belichick was Belichick. Belichick was a lousy coach for Cleveland before he discovered cheating.
I would agree seeing as how Pop and the Spurs know International Basketball the best that he would have been the obvious choice to coach the Olympics team....
I'm actually rooting against the USA in Beijing, hoping Argentina or Spain gets it instead...the American team and coaching staff seem way too cocky and arrogant about winning and personal glory and seem to think it's their right to win...
Well my dislike for the suns has been taken up a notch. nice job pop!
Mike Krzyzewski is the anit-Popovich with his seminars and credit card ads and self-promoting. Nice to see his Duke program sucking and I have no problem with Coach K and Colangelo iand the US Olympic team watching the medal ceremonies from the stands.
My thoughts exactly.Quote:
Originally Posted by Marcus Bryant
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Originally Posted by picnroll
Apart from my hatred for Coah K and his hypocrisy, the entire concept of having a college coach for the national team is assinine. Are we starting pros or college players? Are the other national teams starting pros or college players? Since most of the best international players in the NBA never set foot in a U.S. college or university, the whole scene is completely different.
The U.S. national team needs to hire someone with pro experience (here or overseas) as a full-time coach*, just like the other national teams do.
* I realize that many of the national team coaches have other gigs, but they have multi-year contracts, continuity of staff, etc.
Some one tell me again, how many NBA championships has Colangelo delivered?Quote:
Perhaps, the Spurs-Suns rivalry precluded Colangelo truly considering Popovich for the job, but as one common friend of the two men said, "It's a shame that two guys who have been so successful for so long in the league never really had a chance to get to know each other."
What's the definition of success, then? Is it producing a team, staff, and ownership that finds something different to whine about every time they flame out rather than accepting responsibility themselves? GTFO with putting Colangelo in the same universe of success as Popovich.
My thoughts exactly.Quote:
Originally Posted by CubanMustGo
F Colangelo and his "success".
And now we know the ultimate source for the media-sucking, spineless, whining tendencies of the Suns organization.
pop 4 rings > co angelo who? gtfo
I'll PM you your HUAC subpoena 1Pinko1. Just say no to communism!Quote:
Originally Posted by 1Parker1
If there was EVER a message USA basketball needed to hear, it was "get over yourself."
I bet Colangelo did it just because he didn't want to risk players playing for Pop and liking it so much they consider signing with San Antonio.
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Originally Posted by Mark in Austin
That would also explain the real motive behind using a college coach.
There's no doubt that Larry Brown was a failure at USA Basketball, but if Colangelo was listening to the players reactions, they ALL liked Pop's coaching style.Quote:
Originally Posted by Mark in Austin
Therefore, your point is well taken. It sounds like a lot of this stuff was and is politically-driven.
Colangelo's primary motivation was that he's an envious douche bag who didn't want to see Pop having any more success. He knew when Pop brought home the gold everyone would still be saying Colangelo who? while with Coach K he might be able to get a few crumbs of credit.
Cuck Folangelo
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Pop > BellyChicks
I think coaching the Olympics would take away from Pops coaching the Spurs.
While of course that is Pops decision, or rather would have been sans Calangelo, I'm glad he did not get selected. Can concentrate on Title 5.
i like to remember Pop as a asst to Brown. After games, he would come out to woai to talk about the game. I remember him being a player coach. a lot of the team would go to him. He won alot of the players over with his style of management. Sean Elliot was part of it. He groomed him and other players along.
As head coach, I think he really has grown a a coach and leader. As coach in 99, I really dont think he knew exactly what he was doing. He had players, Defense and wasnt sure exactly what got him there. I recall him trying to make the next years teams like the 99 team. He wanted someone to be like Ellie and Avery Johnson. He was deterimined to get the new players to be like the ones on the 99 championship team. Eventually, i think he learned to let the players do what they do best, but in his system. For example, I think Manu drove Pop up the wall.for a while there, it didnt look like Pop and him could coexist. Pop learned to let Manu be Manu and to live with his style of play, but he forced him to use the system. What I mean is Pop let Manu play his gAMBLING HECTIC style of play. Anyone recall Pop going nuts on Manu early on in his carrer? I think pop learned to let the players to what they do best, but force them into the team system.
Pop not using these guy for 38-40 min a game safes them at the end of the year. How many teams run their players to the ground 40 min a game?? If duncan avg 40 min a game, can u imagine the stats he would have? Pop has got the team on a team first approach where stats are not the most importantr thing. What pop has done best is to get the players to belive in the team first concept, which is the key to any successful team.
Another thing he has done well is the veterans he has brung in. Veterans who were willing to take a lesser role, which is hard for players who have been the centerpiece of their former clubs. The mix of veteran leadership and fresh talent has been what pop has done this past decade. Elie, Finley, Horry, Willis, Kersey, Person, Doc Rivers are all players that fit this role. currently it is Horry and Finely.
Pop deserves alot fo credit for putting the right pieces together. The staff like RC Presti and scouts are all utilized. Pop knows its not just him, but he utilizes the people under him to get the most out of the situation.
Above all, what I love about Pop is he calls it like he sees it. He knows its D-rob and Duncan that gives him this oppertunity. Withouth them, there is no chance. Now, as a veteran coach, he has a plan set up every year. work the players into the system early on. Dont burn out players with tons of min. Focus on end of seaon and be prepared fo playoffs. Sounds simple, except some where in there is 82 games.
Pop Rocks,,,,
Popovich may or may not be the best Xs and Os coach in the NBA, but he is the best leader. Considering the wide range of ages and background that teams are dealing with today, that is much more important to long-term success.
The old truism is in fact true: the best leaders lead by example. The fact that Popovich has changed over time and adapted is not lost on the players.
X's and O's aren't what Pop is known for like Reggie said, but he is one heck of a leader. I think he gets his point across to the players and they accept it.
I forget how the cliche goes but "pop is not so much an x's & o's type of coach, he's more about the Jimmy & the Joes." His forte is not so much about game planning and scheming but about motivating and leading his troops and influencing them and getting them to do what he wants them to, that is his strenght, not to mention he knows his wines like a mofo. :toastQuote:
Originally Posted by Reggie Miller
Finally last month, Popovich ripped off a stern letter to Colangelo, copying it to the highest levels of the NBA hierarchy. Those who have seen the letter say that Popovich's message to Colangelo was clear: Stop talking about USA Basketball and me. Popovich told him his side of the story, and told him that he didn't need to respond. Just knock it off.
I'm so glad Pop cut into Colangelo. What bullsh!t by Colangelo.
In all seriousness, Pop has much more couth on the court than Belichick on the field. Pop would never run up scores, but he can be a smart ass with the press. Pop is also self-depracating while Belichik is arrogant. But they are both winners and big on the team concept.Quote:
Originally Posted by Marcus Bryant
Colangelo's lucky Pop didn't decide to dig into his old military intelligence contact's list of spooks...
or we'd be talking about the mysterious disappearance of one Jerry Colangelo instead. :reading
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we'd be talking about the mysterious disappearance of one Jerry Colangelo instead
i would like to have him as a father...
Pop don't run up the score Pop don't get caught cheating
Wasn't the fist-pump that Pop did in these last playoffs after the series with the Suns? Guess that had meaning on more than one level.
You don't have to know much about basketball to see that choosing a college coach to head team USA over one of the most accomplished and respected (both by the players and other coaches) NBA coaches in the business is lunacy. Correction - lunacy by design because of a childish agenda.
Am I the only one that reads Colangelo's position and alleged remarks and see it as basically saying Pop's "get over yourself" attitude was not "ass kissing" enough for him?
Mike must have puckered up really good for him.
Colangelo is a chode. Plain and simple.
I think it's far more gratifying for Pop to orchestrate his very public disapearance in May.Quote:
Originally Posted by degenerate_gambler
Pop is the best
More ammo to use against the Suns. Nice.
Don't forget that Team USunsA were also the ones who cut Bowen from the team. And really, what has Colangelo done to show he knows how to win at anything? Team USA might as well went with Isiah Thomas ... at least he won something as a player.
i didnt want to start a new thread, so im dumping it in here but
Former Suns owner Jerry Colangelo will be inducted into the team's "ring of honor" at halftime of Sunday night's game against Cleveland
THE PHOENIX SUNS RING OF HONOR (too funny)
probably next to GORILLA, Tim Hornacek and Tim Perry
and this is as glamourous as perhaps the Rivercenter Mall Ring of Honor for best performing store or some shit
I think Jerry nominates himself to shit like this. Didnt he get intot he HALL OF FAME last year as an owner?
Any non player that gets into the hall of fame before POP has an asterick. Im calling it.
Sources have said that Jerry acquiesced, and stopped talking about how Pop was not that interested in the job, only after waking up one morning with a Sun's head in his bed.
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Funny, but Popovich has always said that he'll follow his superstar out the door when he retires. Now, Duncan has signed up through 2012, so there was Popovich holding that framed cartoon strip on Tuesday night and laughing and saying, "He screwed me."
:lol
Classic. Yeah, like Pop is ready to retire too. All that is bull as well :)
I hope LeBron hangs 40+ on the Suns tomorrow night. :lolQuote:
Originally Posted by spurscenter
I had figured that it was Pop's close association with Larry Brown, coupled with the bad taste of 2004 -- and only those things -- that had caused USA Basketball to gravitate to Coach K. I can, however, completely see someone like Colangelo finding reasons to doubt Pop's enthusiasm for a project. I don't get the sense that Pop would be the sort of person who would just be gushing in a conversation about a job like coaching USA basketball; I somehow believe that he would be earnest about his willingness to take the position and frank about his needs in that position.
What's always been remarkble to me is to see Pop interact with players who have never been Spurs, but who were on teams that Pop coached. You see guys from the 2003 qualifying team and the 2004 Olympic team making a specific point to go by the Spurs bench before games to give Pop a quick hug and to say something. It always appears to be a warm exchange and mutually respectful. You see it too, I think, with the way that Pop deals with PR situations involving opposing players -- his lashing out at fans for booing Kobe in 2003-04; his immediate withdrawal from the Pop Show after Walter and Vex unfairly portrayed Allen Iverson. Pop's a coach who definitely has the backs of players and they, in turn, appreciate him for that. In a day and age where players are routinely ripped for defying authority figures, Pop is one authority figure who seems to have earned fairly-universal respect. To miss out on the opportunity to have that guy lead your team because he didn't kiss your ass enough is probably, as much as anything, an indictment of the failed bureaucracy within USA Basketball.
I'd love to read what Pop wrote to Colangelo.
Colangelo is undoubtedly an extremely successful businessman. His business has mostly been sports, specifically the Suns, and he grew that franchise into one of the winningest clubs in the NBA during his ownership, even without winning championships. But, I'd agree with the notion that success in that realm is substantially unrelated to success in resurrecting an endeavor like USA Basketball, where a title is the only acceptable result. I wonder why so many find Colangelo to be such a go-to guy on projects like that. It doesn't seem that he has a resume to create such wide-spread support. And passing on Pop under these circumstances just looks foolish.
great post fromwaydowntown
I want pop fired like everyone else. But I would like to correct something. POp will screw players by trading them, low balling their contracts and all that "Business" side of basketball. But he has class enough to not blow out teams like bellicheck. He doesn't cheat like belicheck. Point is in the "Game" pop shows respect to the other team and is a class act. No matter how bad a coach he is. How stubern and how not will,ing to change to win the game. He has never been on the court an disrespectfull unclassy asshole. Asshole all the same to players, but he did it with class.
Bellicheck doesn't deserve anything the way he is acting.
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Originally Posted by spurscenter
the spurs/patriots comparison is getting old. writers need new material.
Actually, I consider it an insult to Pop to compare him to Belicheat.
Spurs >>> Pats
coach pop had a chance to coach TEAM usa to gold medal and didn;t do to good.Quote:
Originally Posted by timvp
I think we are forgetting that maybe someone thought the other coach was capable and might actual be a good coach and wasn;t malice towards pop.
Pop's admits his sucuess is because of Tim. 1: Tim was getting fouled and generally wasn't good in team usa ball. Therefore the basis of pops winning was in question. 2: pop had a chance to coach team usa and his team didn't win a gold medal which should always be the standard in internal compitations we hold ourself to.
Some times you hire someone not because they couldn't do the job but ther eis only one job and thought someone could do it better.
Wade phillips is the coach of the cowboys... not parcells now.. Does that mean parcells wasn;t a good coach nope.. Does it mean he hasn't earned mroe than wade phillips... Maybe jerry thinks wade phillips 6-1 ercord is a better coach for cowboys then hall of fame parcells
Thats a very good point.Quote:
Originally Posted by Reggie Miller
"remarkable ... to see Pop interact with players who have never been Spurs"
... evident when Pop coached the West All-Stars a couple years ago, even if that activity is pretty much a love-fest anyway.
Yeah, that too.Quote:
Originally Posted by boutons_
Fuck whoever compares him to that cheating bitch. Pop is more successful and carries more class than that hippie clown ever will.
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Originally Posted by Brutalis
Great article.
It has been fascinating to watch Pop grow as a coach. Back in the Dark Age that followed the first ring (2000-2002), many called for Pop's head and, truth be told, he was not anything like the coach he is today - he made some poor decisions with games on the line, found it hard to adjust to circumstances on the fly, and couldn't seem to get his team over the hump. Everything changed in 2003, specifically game 6 of the WCSFs when he and his team finally beat the Lakers, and the rest of that playoff run became his coming out parade. From that moment on he has grown into one of the greatest NBA coaches of all time.
I can see how this will all pan out. He and Tim will win 2-3 more rings, and then retire together in 2012. Pop will go off to coach the Olympics, Timmy will play X-Box and manage his charitable interests, and the greatest era in Spurs basketball history will come to a close. A sad day it will be, but thankfully still 5 years away...
run up the score pop, RUN IT UP!
Pop cheats too?? :dramaquee
Truly, FWD...I always enjoy reading your posts. They're always well written and thought provoking. I'm so glad you take the time to post here.Quote:
Originally Posted by FromWayDowntown
The love child between Brian Billick and Bill Belichick?Quote:
Bill Belick
well you know , I think they compare to Belichick only because of what the teams have done, multiple championships in 5-9 years or whatever.
I dont think you can compare a NBA coach with a NFL coach straight on.
I think the writer was more comparing the success of the teams.
pop is in a whole other level I think. He sets the mood of the organization from the front office to the 12th man