That decision is seeming dumber and dumber by the minute to me. I just don't get it. It's not like the Spurs already have a decent power forward.
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That decision is seeming dumber and dumber by the minute to me. I just don't get it. It's not like the Spurs already have a decent power forward.
:dramaquee
do you really think he would beat out duncanQuote:
Originally Posted by tlongII
booner>scola
Duncan is a center. Of course I'm assuming you all know that.
^^^Ohhhhhhhhhhhhhhh.........THAT'S why he's going down as the best forward ever!
Doy!
It probably came down to choosing between Oberto and Scola. I'm happy to have Oberto back as a Spur.
scola and duncan shot from the same spot they can not both be on the court at one time
scola is a waste for the spurs so they got rid of him
had scola been able to shot at a differerent spot they could keep him
That makes no sense whatsoever. Players don't shoot from only one spot.Quote:
Originally Posted by ducks
They generally occupy the same zones. So if there are two players that work in the same areas, it makes it easier for team defenses to put more focus on those areas. This effectively makes it harder for both players. That's why Duncan needs a power forward who has both an inside/outside game like Horry or Bonner have and which Scola does not have. Also, Spurs defense hinges on the bigs being able to rebound and shot block, which Scola again does not do. When Duncan does have a center with him (and he operates as a power forward), he needs someone who he can force feed out of double/triple teams, which Oberto does just fine. Scola just would not be a good fit in the Spurs system as it is currently constituted (around Duncan).
thank youQuote:
Originally Posted by some_user86
where they post and the space they occupy in offensive sets (when each is at his most effective) overlap and coincide.Quote:
Originally Posted by tlongII
watch a game closely, there are rarely two post players fighting for low post position at the same time.
scola loses most of his effectiveness when you move him farther out from the hoop. duncan can still do some things at 15-18 feet, but that's not where he's at his best.
having both on the court at the same time is redundant.
You guys can keep telling yourselves that, but it is ridiculous. Duncan just needs a running mate who doesn't demand the ball. Scola would fit perfectly with him.
He made plenty of outside shots in the FIBA games.Quote:
Originally Posted by K-State Spur
As does Oberto and Bonner and Elson and Horry...Quote:
Originally Posted by tlongII
Our frontcourt depth is fine. I am not worried. I think Oberto will play with some mediocrity until the playoffs (he picked something from Horry).
FIBA's three pt line is several feet more to the inside compared to the NBA's line.Quote:
Originally Posted by Walter Craparita
to bad the fiba games are not the nba gamesQuote:
Originally Posted by Walter Craparita
Oh my bad, the basket is at a different height? Last time I checked, a 15 ft shot is a 15 foot shot.
Either way, the Spurs are still winning the whole fucking thing again.Quote:
Originally Posted by tlongII
last time I checked they had different rules in that leagueQuote:
Originally Posted by Walter Craparita
he may not demand the ball, but when he doesn't haven't the ball in his hands, exactly what is he doing for you? drawing defenders outside, rebounding, passing?Quote:
Originally Posted by tlongII
this team is put together very carefully. it's not the best 13-15 players you can find (that's been the blazer approach in the past), it's the best 13-15 guys who fit together for what Pop is looking for.
Ideally, there may have been a place for Scola in that group, but that doesn't change that many of his skills are redundant with this group.
The Spurs may regret letting him go for nothing more than cap relief, that remains to be seen. But he's still far from the perfect player next to Duncan - contrary to what some in the media, Argentina, and misinformed fans may think.
lol :rolleyesQuote:
Originally Posted by ducks
Rockets vs Jazz
Scola 7 pts, 9 rebs, 1 ast, 1 stl, 3 PFs. in 28.48 mins.
Yeah go SCOLA!!! HE BELONGS!! :hungry:
They needed to keep the cap space open for when Oden becomes a free agent.
They wanted to give Spurs fans something to complain about before shipping off Beno.
Or the Spurs wanted to gift the Rockets a guy who was a +18 in his second NBA game.Quote:
Originally Posted by timvp
:pctoss
shit... against a fast paced team he may not even see PT... but against bully teams like the jazz that play really PHYSICAL... HE MAY BE THE DIFFERENCE TO WIN BALL GAMES FOR THEMQuote:
Originally Posted by timvp
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Originally Posted by timvp
I'd like to recommend a book for you to read:
Letting Go: How to Get Past Your Past by John Farley
:lmaoQuote:
Originally Posted by ShoogarBear
Shit...Scola's a scorer who's about as polished as he's going to get and he's scored 7 points total in 2 games. Fire Pop.
Brent Barry has outscored him.
His rebounding has been better than expected...but I'd hardly say you can qualify him as a good rebounder yet...unless you are willing to aslo qualify him as a crappy scorer.
In short...he's done nothing yet. You guys act like we traded Kevin Durant or something.
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Originally Posted by whottt
numbnuts...he had 7 pts in his 2nd game on 3-6 shooting and last night also had 9 rebs in only 28 mins.
He will take a few weeks-months to get acclimated to the NBA, but there is no doubt that the Spurs made a huge error, because he will be a very very good player who would have filled the role of Elson- Oberto-Horry quite well by playoff time.
Its only an error in the eyes of some Spurs fans, so its not as you say"no doubt" that the Spurs made an error. if they didnt feel they had a need for him, they didnt feel like they had a need. Besides, Bonner is doing pretty well and spaces the floor better than Scola could ever dream.Quote:
Originally Posted by Jimcs50
Of note, they drafted Splitter who when he comes in next year will be quite likely the player Scola is but bigger. Keep the faith.
So?Quote:
Originally Posted by Jimcs50
James White scored 9 points and grabbed 3 rebounds in his first game.
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He will take a few weeks-months to get acclimated to the NBA, but there is no doubt that the Spurs made a huge error, because he will be a very very good player who would have filled the role of Elson- Oberto-Horry quite well by playoff time.
And the NBA will take a few weeks-months to get acclimated to his extremely polished moveset, and then kick his ass with bigger, faster, and superior players.
He'll be viewed as a big mistake in the same way Gordan Giricek is now viewed as a big mistake.
Steve Francis' #1 fan has no room to be sticking labels like numbnuts on others for their talent evaluations.
:lmao
In Shane Heal's first game with the Spurs he scored 11 points on 3-6 shooting and dished out 2 assists to boot...in 17 minutes.
Shane Heal used to be known around the pacific ocean territories as "The Hammer"
Because he laid down the law. Shane Heal would have been a better acquisition than Udrih, even though he was like 36, slow, and didn't do anything.
And this thread was started why?
Haven't we kicked this around from every angle enough already?
Now SpursDynasty 21 will no doubt be here soon enough to doom and gloom about it all over again.
Can we please let it go?
When he plays well, or when he doesn't, can we put it in NBA Central unless it's a Spurs/Rockets game?
Nine boards against the Jazz is nothing you can write off. They work the boards as hard as anyone in the league. I think he'll be able to at least rebound respectably at this level. Scoring? Well, as whottt is pointing out it may be a little early to proclaim anything, but I think he'll be alright there.
The bottom line will always come down to defense. If a big man can't play it he isn't going to see much PT from Pop. From what I've seen he brings good energy to it, but not a whole lot else at the moment. Foul trouble was a big problem for him in the preseason, and a big part of what kept him on the court last night was that the refs were calling the game pretty loosely (as they often do in Utah, it seems). How his defense pans out will be the determining factor as to how big a mistake the Spurs was.
It was a mistake to send him to a division rival for that little. If it turns out that he can defend well enough that he could have actually earned some playing time for the Spurs then it's a big mistake.
Horry? Scola would have hit clutch 3s and been our 2nd best post defender?Quote:
Originally Posted by Jimcs50
We didn't have the space for him. Bottom line. Even if he was better than Elson/Oberto/Horry combined, there wasn't space available for him to play, because these players were under contract, Mahinmi and Splitter were draft picks and this was the last chance for him to come to the NBA.
Timing is as important to these things as everything else. I'm not thrilled he went to a divisional rival that needed help, but I think the Spurs were the people most aware of his game and how it likely translate and he wasn't important enough to sign over the people who were here and knew the system.
Let it go already. Bitching about it isn't going to reverse the decisions that have brought us where we are.
I don't think there is one simple answer here. As best I can tell, the Spurs considered these facts, at least:
-The Spurs have two other PF prospects in Mahinmi and Splitter;
-Scola's salary would have put him in the same neighborhood as Horry and ahead of all other Spurs bigs not named Duncan;
-Spurs are right at the luxury tax threshold
-There were legit doubts as to Scola's ability to play and make a meaningful contribution on an NBA level; and
-The overlap of preferred court position between Scola and Duncan, regardless of what you label it.
The Spurs decided that it wasn't worth the $10 million gamble, plus whatever luxury tax penalties they would have to pay to bring him in.
I still think it was the wrong decision, but I think I understand why the decision was made.
Trying to think of the last big name free agent to leave his current team for the Spurs......Quote:
Originally Posted by ShoogarBear
Still thinking.
sun fan can not think they have no brainsQuote:
Originally Posted by da_suns_fan__
it was against the jazz who the spurs almost sweeped in the playoffs :cooldevilQuote:
Originally Posted by timvp
FIFY.Quote:
Originally Posted by ducks
The irony.
sun players can not thinkQuote:
Originally Posted by da_suns_fan__
they showed it in the playoffs their fans are the same way
Last one I can remember the Spurs even chasing was Jason Kidd. The guy he would have replaced just won a Finals MVP award. The lesson: God is on our side.Quote:
Originally Posted by da_suns_fan__
signing grant hill is not exactly signing a superstar sun fan
he is a has been
players that play for the spurs are willing to take paycuts
just to play for that organization
I never he said it was.Quote:
Originally Posted by ducks
But signing Steve Nash was. And Danny Manning. And Tom Chambers.
Still trying to think of a single big free-agent signing by the Spurs.
Have they EVER had one?
I think Oden is out of the question, yes?
I will give you nash
they resigned manu, duncan, david robinson and tp
I would think they would count
they did not lose those players to other teams
I think duncan is greater then any player the suns signed
I also know sun fans who would rather have tp then nash
tp would give suns a bigger window to win titles
Michael FinleyQuote:
Originally Posted by da_suns_fan__
Too bad Oden doesn't currently play for the Spurs. Otherwise they might have a great shot of having him.Quote:
Originally Posted by ducks
:lol :lol
Are you serious?Quote:
Originally Posted by ehz33satx
I do not want oden
he injury prone
one leg is also longer then the other
he will never ever play 82 games in one season
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Originally Posted by ducks
Lucky for you then, huh?
Tell that to ShoogaBear.
durant is the better player
What does signing free agents have to do with winning multiple championships? The Spurs get it done with the Big Three then sign complimentary role players.
Signing Grant Hill is not going to take you anywhere. Your team is stuck in Loserville. Suns fans are used to that already.
As I recall, the Suns wanted him also. I would take Finley over Grant Hill anyday. I would take Finley over any players the Suns have. Finley is a winner. Suns players are whiners. Big Difference.Quote:
Originally Posted by da_suns_fan__
I don't understand the attacks on his defense at all. Granted he is no Timmy, but he is very active, physical, and when he does get beat you can expect a hard foul. Take into account that he is on a new team, learning a new system with new teammates, and i think he's doing fine. I keep hearing the Spurs didn't need him, but he is a more complete player than Horry, Bonner, or Elson. The Spurs let him go because they had a greater need at another position, but you would be a fool to think he wouldn't have made your team better. And as far as putting him on the floor with Timmy, I don't see where that would be a problem seeing as HE IS HAVING TO DO THE SAME THING WITH YAO! That argument is just retarded. If he were there and teams doubled down on Tim he could kick it to Scola for a 15 footer. When he is not in the game Scola could have been your low post threat. It could have been a win, win situation. Thats why Manu said he was sad not to get Scola. He knows what most of you don't and that's Scolas game. He could have been your Timmy lite, but he was traded, what's done is done, and i am sure glad that it was! :p:
Trying to think of the last time the Suns won an NBA championship....Quote:
Originally Posted by da_suns_fan__
Still thinking.
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Originally Posted by Mark in Austin
As best I can tell...
The Spurs had this guy in their system for 5 years. I don't think they made a mistake here...
Either they don't think he's going to be that great in the NBA, after having him under their microscope for 5 seasons....or else he was unsignable to them for reasons not yet revealed....or a combination of both.
This guy was the Spurs top prospect though, for 5 years, they watched him extensively....I don't think they underestimated his NBA impact...
And the fact that he was traded to the Rockets tells me...they estimate his impact to be...not much at all. And FWIW...I agree based on what I have seen of him...including this season.
Except Adelman's offense puts Yao is a different spot than Duncan. Fully half his shots were from free throw line distance or beyond.Quote:
And as far as putting him on the floor with Timmy, I don't see where that would be a problem seeing as HE IS HAVING TO DO THE SAME THING WITH YAO!
It seems like the player who put up twice as many shots would probably be considered the focus of the offense, not Yao.
Adelman's system is better for Scola, no doubt .
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Originally Posted by ChumpDumper
Fixed.
Suns have a much better chance of winning a championship than the Spurs have of landing Oden.Quote:
Originally Posted by ChumpDumper
We just gave a $40 million extension to a guy who was -14 in the second game of the season.Quote:
Originally Posted by timvp
But could you tell me the last time the Suns won an NBA championship, sunfan?Quote:
Originally Posted by da_suns_fan__
I'm still trying to recall.
The Boston Celtics have a much better chance to win a championship than the Phoenix Suns.Quote:
Originally Posted by da_suns_fan__
The Phoenix Mercury have a better chance of winning a championship before the Suns ever do.
They won a "ratings championship."Quote:
Originally Posted by ChumpDumper
Does that count?
TP in the suns gimmick offense would be a stud, but Im sure Tony is more interested in winning titles so that will never happenQuote:
Originally Posted by ducks
Douche bag.Quote:
Originally Posted by stretch
Ive pointed out on dozens of occasions that the Spurs "boring" label or lack of ratings has nothing to do with market sizes.
You, and serveral other Texas morons, interpret that as all I care about is ratings.
I am sure you also care about winning championships but since that is not happening you will settle for ratings champions instead. You come in here crowing all the time about how people hate the Spurs and how they love the Suns. Suns are the people's choice. The Spurs are Larry O'Briens choice.Quote:
Originally Posted by da_suns_fan__
Well, you haven't told us the last time the Suns won an NBA championship, so what else can we conclude?Quote:
Originally Posted by da_suns_fan__
Well for one: The Spurs have no chance of landing Greg Oden.Quote:
Originally Posted by ChumpDumper
What is the point you are trying to get across? I don't get it.Quote:
Originally Posted by da_suns_fan__
Why are you so hung up on the most obviously sarcastic joke ever made in the history of SpursTalk? Are you really that stupid?Quote:
Originally Posted by da_suns_fan__
So seriously, when was the last time the Suns won an NBA championship?
Congrats on being a high rated team...
Too bad Stern prefers low ratings and conspires against ya'll :tu
Going to console myself
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Damn...it sucks being boring, and having Stern on your side.
I think Scola will be a good NBA player but shipping him to Houston was not catatrosphic by any means. Our needs were in other positions and at the time it didn't seem to fit with the Spurs plans. Did I want Scola to come and play for us? Absolutely but what is done is done. Nothing is going to change that fact. Questions about him will remain for many months and only until that time period has elapsed will we really be able to evalulate him. Two games does not a player make. If Bonner continues his contributions and Udoka is eased into the second unit and contributes the way I thin he can then in a couple of months this will be history. It really is a non issue since it can't be undone so lets move forward with what we've got.
Why did the Blazers draft another injury-prone big man?
Why are the Suns historically obsessed with playing fun ball?
Da Suns Fan, Do you even know who Larry O'Brien is?
The Spurs let Scola go because they're cheap. It really boils down to that.
Nah, they just wanted to keep Booner.
Bonner's been ok.
while you're at it, think of the last big name free agent to leave his current team for the Lakers, Mavs, Pistons, Heat, Rockets, Celtics, etc.Quote:
Originally Posted by da_suns_fan__
Other than Nash, who left their team for the Suns (and no, Grant Hill no longer qualifies as a big name free agent)?
Hahahah.....Quote:
Originally Posted by K-State Spur
Im no expert on the history of every NBA franchise (thats why Im da_suns_fan and not da_everyNbaTeam_fan), but youre unaware of a big free agent signing for the Lakers?
Seriously?
I'll give you a hint...his name rhymes with Snaq O'Meal.
shaq was traded to the lakers was he not?
No. Shaq was a free agent when he left Orlando.
He was not.Quote:
Originally Posted by ducks
Yeah...that was OVER a DECADE ago. Allen Iverson was just starting his rookie year and Tim Duncan had not started his senior year Wake Forest.Quote:
Originally Posted by da_suns_fan__
(not to mention that it was before the league's new salary rules)
Damn that was like 10 years ago. Now I feel all old and shit.
Ben Wallace and Rashard Lewis, while not exactly super star talents, received super star free agent contracts, IIRC.
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Originally Posted by spurs_fan_in_exile
Detroit traded for both (Wallace was a throw-in as part of the Grant Hill sign-n-trade and Wallace was acquired mid-season via Atlanta).
Big Ben signed a big ass FA contract with the Bulls last year.Quote:
Originally Posted by da_suns_fan__
What he said.
I see...so that doesn't count?Quote:
Originally Posted by K-State Spur
What does count? Nash was acquired under the previous CBA so he doesn't either. I guess the only teams ever to have acquired a big name free agent are the ones who did it during the past two years.
:lol
I'm pretty sure he means Ben Wallace to Chicago and RASHARD Lewis to Orlando. (Although, technically Lewis was traded - sign and trade.)
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Originally Posted by K-State Spur
Youre correct on both counts. I misread that.
It counts, it was just a long freaking time ago - and not overly relevant to the current situation in the NBA.Quote:
Originally Posted by da_suns_fan__
It's just stupid to criticize the Spurs for not grabbing top free agents when nobody else is doing it either. The biggest free agents who change teams are second tier guys who get overpaid by their new club.
Even Nash wasn't viewed in the same light as he is now when he jumped to Phoenix. Any Suns' fan who expected him to be THIS good is kidding themselves.
See thats where youre wrong. Big time.Quote:
Originally Posted by K-State Spur
Gilbert Arenas. Carlos Boozer. Rashard Lewis. Ben Wallace. There are usually big free agent signings every year.
sorry, i was focusing on relevant teams
with the exception of Wallace, each of those guys went to a crappy team with loads of cap room.
the top teams rarely have the cap space lure anyone from their current situation.
SSSHHH! The Scola trade was part of a secret deal with Commissioner Stern to help out a major TV markets like Houston to be more competitive.Quote:
Originally Posted by tlongII
The Commissioner reasoned with Spurs management that we were already a dynasty and the NBA needed some help with Houston, Dallas, Cleveland and Seattle.
The secret plan was also the reason we sent Barbosa to Phoenix. And the move of AJ to DAllas and several of our crack and inimitable coaching staff and front office staff (SEE Ferry, Dan, and Carlesmino, PJ) to crumbling franchises like Seattle and Cleveland are all part of the secret plan.
I will reveal the name of the plan--"Spurring the NBA to Greatness"--to you only upon your agreement to never mention it outside this Spurs site.