Battle of the 6th Men

I'm looking forward to the battle of the 6th men this season. Terry, Barbossa and Manu. Terry had a good start in game 1, hitting lots of 3 pointers. Barbossa will try and make up for last season's dismal playoff performance vx the Spurs. And Manu is playing incredibly well to start off the season.

Naturally, Manu is the best. He's the most consistent and versatile among the 3 and does it on both offense and defense. Fearless and lives for the big play that can decide the game (for better or for worse).. GO MANU!

I still don't understand why Manu didn't win it last year and why more Spurs fans weren't mad when he didn't. He was eligible for the award and it went to Barbosa, who is about 20% of the player Manu is.

If Manu keeps playing like he is there is no way he doesn't win it this year if Pop keeps him on the bench the whole year

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Originally Posted by timvp

I still don't understand why Manu didn't win it last year and why more Spurs fans weren't mad when he didn't. He was eligible for the award and it went to Barbosa, who is about 20% of the player Manu is.

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Manu may have been eligible by the rule ... I think he was 2 or 3 games above the eligibility rule?

But everyone knows that he is one of the top 3 players on the team. Typically ... a 6th man, is literlarly the 6th or 7th best player on a team. With Manu, it's almost like bringing in a ringer to win an award.

If he plays the entire year ... Vs. just over 50% ... as a 6th man this year, I suppose I'd give him the nod. But I still think it takes away from the idea of the award.

To me it's a little disingenuous.

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Originally Posted by Pistons < Spurs

Manu may have been eligible by the rule ... I think he was 2 or 3 games above the eligibility rule?

But everyone knows that he is one of the top 3 players on the team. Typically ... a 6th man, is literlarly the 6th or 7th best player on a team. With Manu, it's almost like bringing in a ringer to win an award.

If he plays the entire year ... Vs. just over 50% ... as a 6th man this year, I suppose I'd give him the nod. But I still think it takes away from the idea of the award.

To me it's a little disingenuous.

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The second and third Sixth Man Award was given to the 2nd or 3rd best player on his team... Kevin McHale.

I agree with piston to me the award should be given to an actually 6 man
manu might play that role but he is not a 6 man really

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Originally Posted by timvp

I still don't understand why Manu didn't win it last year and why more Spurs fans weren't mad when he didn't. He was eligible for the award and it went to Barbosa, who is about 20% of the player Manu is.

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We're used to it after all the years Bruce has gotten snubbed.

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We're used to it after all the years Bruce has gotten snubbed

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Yeah pretty much :lmao

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Originally Posted by timvp

I still don't understand why Manu didn't win it last year and why more Spurs fans weren't mad when he didn't. He was eligible for the award and it went to Barbosa, who is about 20% of the player Manu is.

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i wasnt upset because Manu said he didnt care.
Besides that, Kori explained that many people consider him a starter, no really a sub.

Regular season awards mean shit.

Sincerely,
Dirk and Steve

I was pretty comfortable with him not getting it last year, for what P<S said

He won't get it. Avery will campaign for Terry, and since Dallas is not a boring team the attention will be for Terry.


Well, don’t I sound a bit cynical? LOL

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Originally Posted by ~Sweetmelody~

He won't get it. Avery will campaign for Terry, and since Dallas is not a boring team the attention will be for Terry.


Well, don’t I sound a bit cynical? LOL

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You're not cynical. That's the way it works with media-voted awards.

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Originally Posted by Pistons < Spurs

Manu may have been eligible by the rule ... I think he was 2 or 3 games above the eligibility rule?

But everyone knows that he is one of the top 3 players on the team. Typically ... a 6th man, is literlarly the 6th or 7th best player on a team. With Manu, it's almost like bringing in a ringer to win an award.

If he plays the entire year ... Vs. just over 50% ... as a 6th man this year, I suppose I'd give him the nod. But I still think it takes away from the idea of the award.

To me it's a little disingenuous.

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I agree with that.

I fealt the same way last year, i don't think there is anyone on the nba who actually think Manu is a real sub.

I think manu doesn't really want it because he would feal like he is stealing the award.

At least thats how i see it.
:blah

This season, Manu will be in mvp category! :toast

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Originally Posted by some_user86

You're not cynical. That's the way it works with media-voted awards.

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I thought it was in bad taste for Avery to start “Terry should get the 6th man award campaign” on the very first Mavericks game. Who knows maybe it was to lift his players’ ego.

I also understand that many feel Manu is not sub, but the fan in me wants him to get some sort of recognition. :)

Has Pop every actively campaigned for one of hs players to get an award? I remember him making fun of Carlisle when Carlisle came up with his statistical proof that Artest was the best defender in the league.

barbosa averaged more points.... and i think in regards to 6th man of the year that's all the media looks at. i dont have the stats to prove it... but id say that usually the 6moty award goes to the leading scorer for reserves.

I'm not sure, but didn't Manu start the year as a starter? Even if eligible, voters may have viewed him much more as a starter than 6th man.

At any rate, I think Bonzi might enter the picture for 6th man as well this season.

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Originally Posted by timvp

I still don't understand why Manu didn't win it last year and why more Spurs fans weren't mad when he didn't. He was eligible for the award and it went to Barbosa, who is about 20% of the player Manu is.

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because it's like winning the gold medals in the special olympics.

Manu and the Spurs have redefined the role of the 6th-man.

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Originally Posted by exstatic

Regular season awards mean shit.

Sincerely,
Dirk and Steve

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Stop doing tired jim rome jokes that arent funny. Sincerely, your mom.

Manu has enough hardware. I'd rather see Bruce win DPOY than Manu win 6th man.

There is no comparison - Manu is a winner here and internationally - to put Terry even in the same mention with him is sublime, and Barbosa was exposed in the playoffs.

Manu>>>> Barbosa>>>Terry in true value as a basketball player and winner!

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Originally Posted by ~Sweetmelody~

He won't get it. Avery will campaign for Terry, and since Dallas is not a boring team the attention will be for Terry.


Well, don’t I sound a bit cynical? LOL

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Avery moving Terry to the bench is another example of him copying a strategy used by the Pop. Another recent strategy they've discussed is pacing themselves more over the balance of the season - just like the Spurs do.

Seems like everything the Mavs do is based upon something from the Spurs. As they say, imitation is the sincerest form of flattery.

I agree that Ginobili isn't really a 6th man.

And he's also playing like an MVP right now.

Anyone still want to say that Tony Parker is MVP material?

Boki will win the 6th man of the year!

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Originally Posted by da_suns_fan__

I agree that Ginobili isn't really a 6th man.

And he's also playing like an MVP right now.

Anyone still want to say that Tony Parker is MVP material?

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Finals MVP material is good enough.

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Originally Posted by timvp

I still don't understand why Manu didn't win it last year and why more Spurs fans weren't mad when he didn't. He was eligible for the award and it went to Barbosa, who is about 20% of the player Manu is.

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I agree that he "qualified" to win this award...and certainly, I wish he would've won (just like I hope he wins this year)...but could it be that people see him as a starter and part of the big 3 that he'll never win this award?

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Originally Posted by Pistons < Spurs

Manu may have been eligible by the rule ... I think he was 2 or 3 games above the eligibility rule?

But everyone knows that he is one of the top 3 players on the team. Typically ... a 6th man, is literlarly the 6th or 7th best player on a team. With Manu, it's almost like bringing in a ringer to win an award.

If he plays the entire year ... Vs. just over 50% ... as a 6th man this year, I suppose I'd give him the nod. But I still think it takes away from the idea of the award.

To me it's a little disingenuous.

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exactly.

Bruce not winning DPOY is what had me upset! :soapbox:

Dallas is copying SA's formula: Using a starter as a sixth man.

I guess when you can't win a championship, you have to copy the real championship teams of the league.

After watching the last few games it looks like we have a deep, deep bench this year and Bonner, Udoka, Barry, and Washington could bring a lot of the energy that we've always needed from Manu off the bench. Do you think maybe it's almost time for Manu to start again?

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Originally Posted by SpursDynasty

Dallas is copying SA's formula: Using a starter as a sixth man.

I guess when you can't win a championship, you have to copy the real championship teams of the league.

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:rollin
Pure gold.

Spurs Dynasty with a nice little jab there :lol

Call me an optimist (not that I actually care about this award much), but I actually think he's the front runner, even with the media.

I think he would have won it last year if he hadn't started as many games as he did. If he comes off the bench the entire season this year, I think he'll get it.[

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Originally Posted by SpursFanFirst

Bruce not winning DPOY is what had me upset! :soapbox:

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Bruce has something greater than DPOY, I think. Everyone around the league respects his approach to playing defense. A few guys say he's dirty, but look at his critics... Ray Allen, Amare, Isaiah Thomas... I don't put much stock in anything those guys say. Bruce will go down as one of the greatest defensive NBA players ever, and the more rings he wins, the bigger his legacy becomes.

Never seen such depth as the Spurs have now -- they could have their own sixth man of the year battle.

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Originally Posted by da_suns_fan__

I agree that Ginobili isn't really a 6th man.

And he's also playing like an MVP right now.

Anyone still want to say that Tony Parker is MVP material?

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I agree, Manu isn't really a 6th-man. And he's NOT a point guard either. But he leads the Spurs in assists with 6.5 per game . He is 12th in the league in both assists per game and in assists per 48 minutes. All 11 players above him in assists per game are point guards.

Ginobili seems to have a "knack" finding Elson near the basket right now acc. to reports and if that's true that chemistry between them is scary for other teams as this season progresses.

Ginobili leads the Spurs in scoring with 23.0 points per game, 20th in the league in PPG right now.

and those above him in scoring per game are averaging more minutes than Manu.

I really like the idea of seeing Manu holding a 6th-man trophy in the future. I was silent but really disappointed (not really mad), he lost to Barbosa last yr. Well, he got his revenge, he played better than Barbosa when we faced the Suns, your team in the 2nd round. :lol

At this time, and taking account of so many titles he won, considering him as a 6th man is an 'insult'... But, because Spurs' roster is very deep, 5 starters aren't enough ;)

Anyway, he deserves an MVP more than a 6th man award.

whoa after last night's game Manu actually upgraded his assts to an ave. of 7.5 assts per game?

simply amazing!:tu

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Originally Posted by timvp

I still don't understand why Manu didn't win it last year and why more Spurs fans weren't mad when he didn't. He was eligible for the award and it went to Barbosa, who is about 20% of the player Manu is.

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I couldn't agree more.

Everyone knows that Manu is not the 6th real 6th man. That was the reason why he didnt win this title last year.

Also I think this title is not important for him.

6th man is a shitty award.

Who cares? Manu himself had the best response to this bogus award, calling it akin to, "Being named the best left-handed guard" or something.

It doesn't matter who starts games, it matters who finishes them, so I don't really consider him eligible for the award as a true bench player. With Phoenix you can easily imagine Barbosa on the bench in a tight game with all the guys they got like Bell, Hill, Nash, Marion, Amare, Diaw...

Just win, bitches.

Paul Pierce is on the second team for the Celtics this year. I think he'll win the sixth man award. Looks like Doc Rivers is copying the Spurs strategy for using the second team.

PlaneFast

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Originally Posted by PlaneFast

Paul Pierce is on the second team for the Celtics this year. I think he'll win the sixth man award. Looks like Doc Rivers is copying the Spurs strategy for using the second team.

PlaneFast

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http://scores.espn.go.com/nba/boxscore?gameId=271102002

They've played one game so far and Pierce started and played 39 minutes. I think you misunderstood the Rivers quote. From what I gather, I think Rivers plans to rest Pierce earlier than KG and Allen so that when the 2nd quarter begins and those guys are resting, Pierce can check back in and play with the 2nd unit.

The Bulls would do the same thing with Pippen or MJ where one would always be on the court at all times, unless it was a blowout.

Jason Terry just had an outstanding game to help beat the Rockets. Let's see how Manu responds next game.
Overall, I think the competition is probably a notch tougher this season and the Spurs will need to rely on their bench even more if they hope to win a 5th ring.

Spurs take the ring and a Sun takes the 6th man. Works for me.

I think last year the only starter being the 6th man was Manu,
this season seems that some teams are gonna try the same formula.
So i think that we will need to consider the award in different way now.

Wow, Manu and Pop have changed the meaning of this award! :toast

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Originally Posted by Holt's Cat

Spurs take the ring and a Sun takes the 6th man. Works for me.

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Nah, we want it all.....Veni vidi vici! :king