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during lastnight boradcast of the susns sonics game. they had a list up of the oldest and youngest teams in the league...what caught my eyes where the run and gun, media darlings from Phoneix is the second oldest in the league. you never hear people speaking about suns being old.
do you always believe the announcers?Quote:
Originally Posted by yeahone
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Originally Posted by yeahone
Well part of the reason the Suns are now old is Grant Hill...
Just like most of the reasons the Spurs are old are Robert Horry, Bruce Bowen, Brent Barry and Michael Finley.
Duncan's not old...he's still in his prime, as is Manu. Parker has yet to hit his...I guess if Oberto had what could be considered a prime, he's still young enough to be in it.
It's really the Spurs bench that is old.....and you know what? Old benches are good...we win a title every time we have an old bench just about.
It's when multiple starters are old that problems start to crop up.
Amen I like the old guys in the playoffs. I dont mind Horry cruising into the playoffs and lighting it up once we are in. The old dogs know how to get it done when it counts.Quote:
Originally Posted by whottt
And they also don't need a ton of minutes to develop their games either....
Weren't we old 2 years ago?
Young is needed to play run and gun.
Defense can be played at any age.
Suns Roster
2007-08 Roster
Marcus Banks 11/19/1981 26
Leandro Barbosa 11/28/1982 25
Raja Bell 09/19/1976 31
Boris Diaw 04/16/1982 25
Grant Hill 10/05/1972 35
Shawn Marion 05/07/1978 29
Sean Marks 08/23/1975 32
Steve Nash 02/07/1974 33
Eric Piatkowski 09/30/1970 37
Brian Skinner 05/19/1976 31
Amare Stoudemire 11/16/1982 24
D.J. Strawberry 06/15/1985 22
Alando Tucker 02/11/1984 23
Average Team Age - 28.7
I thought Pop put this to bed on media day when he said something like "We were the oldest team 3 years ago. We're older than hell now." :lol
Spurs Roster
2007-08 Roster
Brent Barry 12/31/1971 35
Matt Bonner 04/05/1980 27
Bruce Bowen 06/14/1971 36
Tim Duncan 04/25/1976 31
Francisco Elson 02/28/1976 31
Michael Finley 03/06/1973 34
Manu Ginobili 07/28/1977 30
Robert Horry 08/25/1970 37
Ian Mahinmi 11/05/1986 20
Fabricio Oberto 03/21/1975 32
Tony Parker 05/17/1982 25
Ime Udoka 08/09/1977 30
Jacque Vaughn 02/11/1975 32
Darius Washington 12/06/1985 21
Team Average - 30.1 years of age
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Originally Posted by yeahone
Median is usually a better determinant than average.
The Suns median age is 29. The Spurs median age is 31.
The Suns number is still deceptive. If you drop Sean Marks and Eric Piatowski (two practice players the Suns would cut if they didn't have to keep a certain number of players on the roster), the median age for the Suns drops to 26.
If the Spurs cut Horry and Bowen, the median age only falls to 30.5
Yeah, being younger really helped the Suns win the NBA championship last year.
Inasmuch as it has no correlation to winning NBA championships whatsoever, you are absolutely right.Quote:
The Suns number is still deceptive.
There are not really any misleading numbers with the Spurs, though. 10 of their 14 players are in their 30s. Only Matt Bonner, Tony Parker, Darius Washington and Ian Mahinmi are under 30.
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Originally Posted by ChumpDumper
Don't cry ChumpDumper.
I'm not.Quote:
Originally Posted by da_suns_fan__
Tell us how the Suns' relative youth helped them win an NBA championship last season.
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Originally Posted by ChumpDumper
When did I say that youth=championship? The thread starter asked why the Suns aren't tagged with the "old" label like the Spurs. I gave him an answer.
Don't like it? Tough. I can't change the data.
And you never answered my question about the last time the Suns won an NBA championship.
When was that?
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Originally Posted by ChumpDumper
You can stop posting now....Im able to deduct that your response to ANY argument is that the Suns have never won a championship.
The Spurs are still old. They still have no chance of getting Oden (or any other marquee free agent).
I don't know enough about the Suns to make that call.Quote:
Im able to deduct that your response to ANY argument is that the Suns have never won a championship.
I'm asking you -- when was the last time the Suns won an NBA championship?
No one seriously said they did.Quote:
They still have no chance of getting Oden
http://www.nba.com/media/spurs/marks_shoots_200w.jpg
The only Phoenix Sun with a ring.
That dude is old!
Who cares? What does winning matter? TV ratings and popularity aren't everything - they're the only thing. And the Suns are the NBA TV Ratings & Popularity Champions! I owned you, ChumpDumper, I owned you so bad! Hooray for me!Quote:
Originally Posted by ChumpDumper
It's difficult to keep track of all the underscores.
Suns Roster
2007-08 Roster
Marcus Banks 11/19/1981 26 NO RING
Leandro Barbosa 11/28/1982 25 NO RING
Raja Bell 09/19/1976 31 NO RING
Boris Diaw 04/16/1982 25 NO RING
Grant Hill 10/05/1972 35 NO RING
Shawn Marion 05/07/1978 29 NO RING
Sean Marks 08/23/1975 32 NBA CHAMPIONSHIP RING
Steve Nash 02/07/1974 33 NO RING
Eric Piatkowski 09/30/1970 37 NO RING
Brian Skinner 05/19/1976 31 NO RING
Amare Stoudemire 11/16/1982 24 NO RING
D.J. Strawberry 06/15/1985 22 NO RING
Alando Tucker 02/11/1984 23 NO RING
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Originally Posted by Solid D
LOL!!
END OF DISCUSSION!
LOL at SEAN MARKS! :downspin:
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Originally Posted by caŽlo
Yes..those IDIOTS at TNT!
Why do they bother bringing up those stupid graphics of useless data!!!
The only stat that should ever be shown is who is who won the title last year.
Standings, statitistics, age etc.
IRRELEVANT!
All they need to do is predict that whatever happened last year is what is going to happen this year. PERIOD.
The Spurs have a lot of 30-35 players. That is old in NBA terms, but many players in the past have won championships and played at the highest level at that age.
What were Sonics fans chanting during the game? Save our Suns or something like that?
True. Kudos to you for not being overly-sensitive about a single statistic.Quote:
Originally Posted by barbacoataco
Nevermind, the Sonics fans were saying Save our Sonics.
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Originally Posted by Solid D
Take Steve Nash off the Suns and they aren't championship contenders...how old's he again?
I'd say since true age of a team lies with the age of their best player...if he's old, they're old.
Who cares if the Spurs are old?
They are contenders once again, as they have been for a long time.
Don't the spurs have like one more roster spot?
I think a solution to this problem is to sign Allan Houston, it will lower our average by like 1 or 2. Then maybe we will be second oldest, and people can stfu!
The age factor could hurt the Spurs if not managed properly. Pop seems to have a handle on this issue. He has a feel for his players. He has been limiting TD's minutes for several years now. I remember when Flip Saunders was told a couple of years ago that TD was averaging around 33 minutes a game and he was incredulous about that. That is like sitting out up to 10 games a year approximately (based on 38 mpg). Same with Manu and everyone knows about Horry. Come playoff time we'll see what damage if any the age factor has done to the Spurs during the course of this year.
Spurs=wine. Older=better.
Agreed. Suns fans can point to average age, median age, whatever.Quote:
Originally Posted by whottt
But the three most important Spurs are right in their primes (actually, one is just entering his).
The man who makes the entire Suns' system work is at the age where great PGs have been known to see their game fall off a cliff at any point.
to get a TRUE representation of how old a team is, you need to weight each players age by minutes he plays per game
if only we had kevin willis... we need to find a way to get our avg age above 35.
Eh, werent the Bulls in the 90s always one of the top 5 oldest teams?
Age is all in the head.
Age doesn't seem like it's gonna matter this year....AGAIN!!!
I hear what you're saying but so what? Where has this "we're old" talk gotten any of us anyway?Quote:
Originally Posted by yeahone
Hint...
4 titles :p:
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Originally Posted by da_suns_fan_
I think its funny everyone is quick to point out the spurs' age, but then I was watching a Suns' game and saw Steve Nash wrapped up laying on the floor and I was thinking well at least our best player doesn't look that old.
Spurs have a "best" player :rolleyesQuote:
Originally Posted by spursfan09
I keed, I keed.
Nash is like 34 or 35 right
LMAO!! I am rolling at this post. Nah, what the Spurs need to do is sign Latrell Spreewell and all will be right with the Universe lol. :clapQuote:
Originally Posted by nil.ball