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Not really, but he does have a few rings and a Finals MVP trophy.
lebron has more babies than parker
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Originally Posted by SuperFob
Parker has experience on a Championship team. That's gold in this league.
Parker is still maturing as a player, so is LeBron.
Parker is ahead of Lebron in that process.
I don't see too much to discuss.
Parker has Ducks on his side.
What more do you need?
:smokin
Rack Samikeyp!
Are you saying Parker is better than Lebron?Quote:
Originally Posted by duncan228
LeBron = more talented
Tony = more titles
Not much to discuss.
Tony has a better Jump Shot.
little james no mvps
tony 1 finals mvp
Ducks is crazy. You tellin me if you had to choose between both players to build a team around, youd pick Parker over James??
Parker has more beautiful wife than Leborn James! :spin
:lol I doubt even Parker would have been able to lead that sorry Cavs team to the Finals last season....Parker benefits because he has a great coach, plays in a great system, and oh yea has Duncan and Ginobili. It's very hard to be "the man" every night for 82 games...just ask Kobe.
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Originally Posted by stretch
I said Parker has Championship experience, which I consider gold in this league. You've got to go through it to learn from it.
I said both are maturing as players, Parker is ahead in that process.
Nowhere did I say I think one is better than the other.
LeBron is a powerful player.
Parker is more of a finesse player, though he's got the balls to get inside where the big boys are.
I think their games are very different.
They're both vital to their team's success.
But I didn't say one is better than the other.
Okay, I was just asking, because you never answered the question. You only named areas that Parker so far has accomplished more in, which may lead one to believe that you feel that Parker is better than Lebron.Quote:
Originally Posted by duncan228
Which leads to the question... who do you feel is better? Bullshit aside.
It helps Parker substantially to have the luxury of Tim Duncan. Parker has done a great job of improving his game over the years and is a legitimate all-star because of that. But it doesn't hurt Tony at all to have fallen into a situation where he's teamed up with the greatest NBA player of this generation.
LeBron >>>>>>>>>>> Parker
I agree with Kori.Quote:
Originally Posted by stretch
LeBron has more raw talent.
Parker has the hardware.
And FWD as always came in for the win.
Parker has Duncan.
So, if I had to pick one, I'd go with the raw talent. LeBron's game will only get better, as scary as that sounds. Put some key player's around him and he will start rolling in hardware. It's just a matter of time.
Oh, and I've never been a Parker homer.
I'm a Duncan fan, then a Spurs fan.
Shit, you put Lebron on the floor with Tim Duncan and there's literally no way to stop it. Lebron likes to pass and likes to make plays, so him feeding off of Tim and Tim feasting off of one on one coverage would be the 7th stage of hell for the rest of the NBA.
How many rap albums does Lebron have?
End of discussion.
Tony and Tim and Manu, the Spurs, all have Pop, a coach who makes his players better as much as any HoF player does.
tp's work ethic > james
Parker for James in a heartbeat
You're a fucking idiot.Quote:
Originally Posted by ducks
Devin Harris is a better player than Lebron James
Laugh.
and would you change manu for lebron james?
:wtf
For the record, I was kidding when I posted this. I merely chimed in to see if any of you Spurs fan would be stupid/homerish enough to suggest that Tony Parker is anywhere near the player that Lebron James is.
Goodbye.
LeBron = Nike $$$$
Tony = Eva Longoria
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Originally Posted by SuperFob
still, the only thing that comes to my mind right now is that lebron has been swept during last year Finals whereas TP has been named MVP
... and i'm not kidding
so....... goodbye
Parker for LeBron = 7-75 season for Cleveland
Don't you just love it when trolls have to cover their stupidity with "I was just foolin"?Quote:
Originally Posted by SuperFob
I suppose you were just kidding when you said Lebron would beat the Spurs all by himself in the Finals too, right?
I assume it's the only way they can try to save face. :lolQuote:
Originally Posted by IceColdBrewski
I thought the Cavs trolls would have been embarrassed into leaving ST, at least until we play them this season. But some of them stuck around.
Oh well, with the troll fan base widening daily ST should have trolls for every team soon.
Die-hard Spurs fans who watch Parker play every game are maybe more aware of his weaknesses, while sometimes forgetting his strengths. Also, many Spurs fans still think of Parker as the guy who struggled at times in the playoffs against top-notch competition. (2003,2005) I think that you could Parker on any team in the NBA and he would score points, but he wouldn't lead a crappy team to the Finals by himself. But I think you can make an argument that Parker is a top 3 PG in the NBA right now.
Lebron James is a special player who has more physical skills than almost any player ever in the NBA. His skill set, combined with his size, is unique. However, his defense is not that good, his mid-range jumper is not good enough, and the Spurs did a JOB on him in the Finals last year.
really?Quote:
Originally Posted by stretch
what has he improved each year in?
no one hears that he is working in the gym trying to get better just wanting to be the richest athlete in the world
Let's not forget to mention Bowen by name.Quote:
Originally Posted by barbacoataco
I thought you were a Sequ sock.Quote:
For the record, I was kidding when I posted this. I merely chimed in to see if any of you Spurs fan would be stupid/homerish enough to suggest that Tony Parker is anywhere near the player that Lebron James is.
Goodbye.
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Originally Posted by romain.star
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Originally Posted by thispego
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Originally Posted by mavsfan
Not tonight! Fucken Parker took most of the night off! He should have learned a thing or 2 from Manu and Tim about playing ball in the offseason! It takes a toll on you!
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Originally Posted by barbacoataco
And I thought I was the only one who thought this way! Speedy Claxton could lead this team to an NBA championship for God's sake! Oh yeah, he did in '03 while Parker was on the bench struggling!
I realistic debate would be who is better, Tony Parker or Deron Williams ?
I love Tony, but put me down for Deron on this one. He is the quintessential point guard.
Wow you must be HIGH! James has gotten better and better each year. He took a team of scrubs to the finals last year. You change TP for LBJ and CLE is picking somewhere in the top 4 or 5 of the draft. :lmao ducks never ceases to amaze me!Quote:
Originally Posted by ducks
Anyone even arguing for the Parker side needs to be shot, with a sawed-off, at close range.
I hate to say it, but Tim was the worst of the big three last night. Looks like the summer off didn't help him last night.Quote:
Not tonight! Fucken Parker took most of the night off! He should have learned a thing or 2 from Manu and Tim about playing ball in the offseason! It takes a toll on you!
Tony has 3 rings a finals MVP and a really hot wife, he wins. :toast
Talk to me in March.Quote:
Originally Posted by King23
I see 4 games in we are already in the Timmy is declining mode, so what happens if he goes for 30 and 10 a week from now than he is the best in the league again right?? :drunkQuote:
Originally Posted by King23
How can this even be a question? LeBron is three times the player Parker is. Come on now! Lets not be overly homer about the whole thing. Parker is a great player, but he's no franchise player, LeBron is.
:lol @ those surprised at ducks homerism... come on people!
P.S. and before you ask ducks, yes I would trade Manu for LeBron in a fucking heartbeat. I love Manu, but Duncan and LeBron together... ebola sick, you know what I'm saying?
You'd be hard pressed to put Tony Parker in the top 25 players in the league (he's only the third best on his team).
You'd also be hard pressed to find six guys better than LeBron:
1) Duncan
2) Dirk
3) Kobe
4) Nash
5) KG
You could make a case that LeBron might even be better than KG considering how much more success he's had than KG. Who else? Wade? Maybe, but debateable.
Rank TP just in point guards:
1) Nash
2) Kidd
3) Arenas
4) Chris Paul
5) Baron Davis
6) Deron Williams
Chauncey Billups? Allen Iversion? Those are maybes, but Parker has proven he can't do much of anything besides score (and he's not even that great at that).
While i don't agree with all of your rankings here, Parker is not a great player he is a very good player. A lot of what he does is a result of the system he plays in. He is perfect to play alongside Timmy because he can get in the lane easier than he would ever be allowed to if he was the primary option out there.Quote:
Originally Posted by da_suns_fan__
No.
For me the best PG are:
Nash
Paul
Kidd
Baron Davis
Parker/Arenas/Iverson
D.Williams
Billups
And how many years did it take for Parker to finally develop a mid-range shot that he can only hit when wide open?Quote:
Originally Posted by ducks
ugh... tp is a good PG but come on... he would never have been an all star without Manu who is the real man (after TD)... From the current golden area, i think that only TD and Manu will be remembered as the leaders of this team.
I disagree. However, if that ends up being the case, it won't be because of lack of talent, passion or determination. Parker has improved each and every single season he's been a part of this team. Last season, he brought his game to a whole new level. In the series against the Cavs, his penetration made all the difference when Duncan and Manu seemed out of options. Granted the series was a sweep, but Parker was the reason.Quote:
Originally Posted by romain.star
I agree LeBron is way better than Parker, but the leaders of this team are Tim , Tony and Manu. To say Tony isn't one of them is missleading and untrue
Arenas and Williams are better than Parker.Quote:
Originally Posted by Texas_Ranger
Are you kidding me?
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Originally Posted by MaNuMaNiAc
MVP whereas he played against gibson or mister one leg Hughes??? come on, we all know that TP is worthless without manu and TD.
Manu led argentinia to Olympic Gold whereas TP led his french side to nowhere. When he plays all by himseld, TP is an average player whereas Manu is a very special player who can handle leadership all by himself.
I'm not here to re start the TP vs Manu war all over again but you have to accept the idea that TP, when he plays without TD and Manu, is an average PG.
Period
True on all points.Quote:
Originally Posted by romain.star
Manu is special player that seems to be everywhere at once...he's probably the best in the league at making "big" plays.
Parker is a good scorer, but thats pretty much it.
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Originally Posted by da_suns_fan__
He's probably the best in the league right now
Look, Manu is my favorite as well, but lets not take away from what Tony means to this team. I mean, yeah, he benefits from playing along side Tim and Manu, but that can be said for Manu as well. The reason Tony hasn't won much with the French national team has more to do with the teammates he has and their chemistry than the kind of player Tony is, or the kind of talent he has. Which one of you can tell me that we would still have won last season's championship without Tony's key contributions? Who here can tell me Tony wasn't clutch during last seasons Finals? IMO Tony is as much a part of the Spurs' success as Manu or Bowen.
I'd dare you to find anyone in this league that can penetrate to the paint as easily as Tony does. The man is lightning quick, and efficient to boot.
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Originally Posted by MaNuMaNiAc
Knocked it out of the park
Are you serious?Quote:
Originally Posted by MaNuMaNiAc
Dwayne Wade, Kobe Bryant, Allen Iverson, Steve Nash...
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Originally Posted by MaNuMaNiAc
Nop, we would have won the title without him... Speedy Claxton did it... Any average PG could have done it against Gibson (i mean come on! Gibson!!). Manu brings everything the spurs need in the back court... he has the balls, the vision, the heart, the talent.
Without a shoot first PG like TP, Manu would score 30 points a game and the spurs would be even better.
We all know here that in any other team, with any other PG, Manu would be a MVP contender.
Let me tell you what we need here: a PG who accept to play for manu, who do what it takes to improve the impact Manu can have on the game
there're only a few very special players right now and we are lucky enought to have two of them with us.
little james has been in the nba for more then one yearQuote:
Originally Posted by stretch
what has he improved on? what is the press saying he has improved on each year he has been in the nba NOTHING!
do you really think speedy won the titleQuote:
Originally Posted by romain.star
it had nothing to do with manu,duncan, and the rest of the spurs?
tp also help get the spurs in that postion
speedy sure as hell did not!
Yeah...LeBron hasn't improved at all.Quote:
Originally Posted by ducks
He went to a guy who couldn't make the all-star team his rookie year to arguably the best player in the league.
What Jackass is trying to make that argument, other than the marketing Dept, at ESPN.Quote:
Originally Posted by da_suns_fan__
that's right... speedy was just an average PG for the spurs (at best) and still when TP disapeared, TD and Manu led the spurs to the 2005 title. It proves quite easily that TP is not the reason for our successes (and don't come with the MVP Finals argument, he played against Gibson so it means shit).Quote:
Originally Posted by ducks
(Btw i'm French, not Argentinian)
That one game against Houston and his decline is very noticeable?????????? Did you be chance see the first three games? Probably not but 4 games into the season?? This?? :dizzy :rolleyesQuote:
Originally Posted by King23
When bringing smack at least make it intelligent. Or am I asking too much?
Probably.
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Originally Posted by MaNuMaNiAc
Exactly - his is part of the three headed monster. All three fill a different need and work well together. Would I trade TP for LeBron? In a heartbeat but TP needs the recognition he deserves and has worked hard for.
tp is not the same player as he was in 2005!Quote:
Originally Posted by romain.star
tp played against nash against the suns also!
tp was a very big reason for the sweep against the cavs
the reason spurs are successfull they have 3 great players on the team
you either need 2 superstars or 3 great players to win title
and a little luck
you're right once again.. 2 superstars: Manu and TD. And a good roster with TP, Bruce, Finley, Horry and the othersQuote:
Originally Posted by ducks
tony parker is the best player in the nba.
manu is not the second best player on the spursQuote:
Originally Posted by romain.star
Parker is the best PG in the NBA today. Nash is a horrible defensive player. Kidd is past his prime and too slow. Iverson got out-played by Parker in their series last year, when Parker was guarding him. Chris Paul is injury prone and his defense is mediocre. Baron Davis is totally unpredictable.
Parker's defense is underrated. He is a better defender than any of the players listed above, and that is a fact. His speed allows him to stay in front of players who are used to penetrating. His only problem is that fans hate French people, and they're jealous that he's married to Eva.
If we were choosing to trade either Parker or Manu. I'd choose Manu. You'd be a fool not to.Quote:
Originally Posted by romain.star
Sorry. Parker is better at getting there than any of them. See: Points in the paint(2006-2007).Quote:
Originally Posted by da_suns_fan__
Just for age perhaps and latest MVP of the finals, Tony would have better trade value, but nothing else. For the rest, Manu is far better player than Parker.Quote:
Originally Posted by TheAuthority
Most of fans without basketball knowledge get confused. Parker had the luck of having the opposing PG injured before the finals, and that judges gave him the MVP of the finals ahead Duncan, when he only was better than Tim in Scoring, while a little less scoring, Tim was FAR ahead in Defense and intangibles on both sides.
After realizing that, you know that Parker isn't a legend. He's a scoring guard, with improved shooting, but scoring mainly, and too one dimensional. Superior to Manu physically, so he uses to have better stats in regular season (and even with pure stats, Tony usually has better scoring, and Manu better EFFICIENCY, and +/-, and I'd ask Is scoring a better stat than overall efficiency?), when stamina and staying healthy is important in 82 games.
But in playoff, the huge diference on Basketball IQ will make Manu far more important when he has at least similar level of physical shape than Tony.
You can see it with your own eyes, when both are in their best shape, Manu is far a better player, he can score, defend, assist, and have a lot of intangibles, making him unpredictable in offense, and ind D is very active and a real PITA for the opposing team, again using a lot of BB IQ on the defensive end.
All this mentioning the performance in Spurs only, outside Spurs, Manu has shined and being able to lead winning teams, outside Spurs, Tony wasn't able to do anything near Manu's accomplishments.
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Originally Posted by Dartherus
quite true but i think TP's defensive skills are underrated...
IMO, there's no other Top PG right now who defends the way TP does.
But appart from that, TP would be an average player in any other team whereas manu would be a leader everywhere else (just as he is with his national side)
He would be a good player in another NBA team IMO, scoring a lot, but far from the recognition he has in Spurs and the lack of leadership would be also noticeable.Quote:
Originally Posted by romain.star
It would be a similar scenario like what happens when he plays for France, there's no noticeable diference of France achievements without him or with him, despite him scoring a lot when he plays for the NT.
see her in person..she has NOOOO ass.. she was wearing the velour pants that are supposed to show off her ass, but it couldnt even fill em out.. it was all baggy, and her face needs alot of makeup to have her look decent.. now dont get me wrong, id still love to smash, but for the kind of money tony has, he really struck out on this one..maybe he's using her for her money?Quote:
Originally Posted by meta2007
Why does Ducks hate so much. Look I love TP (and all Spurs mostly) but I dont think he is even in Lebrons league. Dont be stupid Ducks, come on. :lol
Manu >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Parker
Tony + 11 Spurs > Lebron + 11 Cavs
Lebron + 11 Spurs >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Tony + 11 Cavs
I never said Parker is better than Manu, presently. I said I would trade Manu instead of Parker, and that you'd be a fool not to. Which still holds true.
Parker may have better trade value right now, but that doesn't mean 'you'd be a fool ' not to trade Manu instead of Parker....Quote:
Originally Posted by TheAuthority
Are you sure Parker is more valuable for the franchise?, as analyzed before, Parker is a scorer, are you sure the NBA scoring PG with average Basketball IQ and quite one-dimensional are so difficult to get in NBA?
OTOH, Who would you replace Manu with? How many players with his level of talent, fundamentals, athleticism basketball IQ, plus the level of team commitment, willing to sacrifize his stats and fame for the sake of the team winning another ring, are there in the NBA?
And I think age is too overrated, BB IQ is somehow innate, not learned, you can improve it with age, sure, but you won't go from Average to Genius with age.
Just check Manu games when he had Parker's age, Manu BB IQ, at 25 years or younger, was already FAR AHEAD of the current Tony Parker.
Check his games with Virtus Bologna, or his games in World Cup of Basketball at 2002. He was already a leader and a winner back then, and already had genius level basketball IQ, not just average.
Just check it and realize that BB IQ is not as a sure thing with age, as you think. Here it seems it's taken for granted that Tony will have current Manu's IQ when he gets older, and I don't know why.
whoever entertains the thought of Parker being better than LBJ should shoot theirself right now :lol