Tony Parker is a better player than Lebron James

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Originally Posted by King23

His declining is very noticeable

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I see 4 games in we are already in the Timmy is declining mode, so what happens if he goes for 30 and 10 a week from now than he is the best in the league again right?? :drunk

How can this even be a question? LeBron is three times the player Parker is. Come on now! Lets not be overly homer about the whole thing. Parker is a great player, but he's no franchise player, LeBron is.

:lol @ those surprised at ducks homerism... come on people!

P.S. and before you ask ducks, yes I would trade Manu for LeBron in a fucking heartbeat. I love Manu, but Duncan and LeBron together... ebola sick, you know what I'm saying?

You'd be hard pressed to put Tony Parker in the top 25 players in the league (he's only the third best on his team).

You'd also be hard pressed to find six guys better than LeBron:
1) Duncan
2) Dirk
3) Kobe
4) Nash
5) KG

You could make a case that LeBron might even be better than KG considering how much more success he's had than KG. Who else? Wade? Maybe, but debateable.

Rank TP just in point guards:

1) Nash
2) Kidd
3) Arenas
4) Chris Paul
5) Baron Davis
6) Deron Williams

Chauncey Billups? Allen Iversion? Those are maybes, but Parker has proven he can't do much of anything besides score (and he's not even that great at that).

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Originally Posted by da_suns_fan__

You'd be hard pressed to put Tony Parker in the top 25 players in the league (he's only the third best on his team).

You'd also be hard pressed to find six guys better than LeBron:
1) Duncan
2) Dirk
3) Kobe
4) Nash
5) KG

You could make a case that LeBron might even be better than KG considering how much more success he's had than KG. Who else? Wade? Maybe, but debateable.

Rank TP just in point guards:

1) Nash
2) Kidd
3) Arenas
4) Chris Paul
5) Baron Davis
6) Deron Williams

Chauncey Billups? Allen Iversion? Those are maybes, but Parker has proven he can't do much of anything besides score (and he's not even that great at that).

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While i don't agree with all of your rankings here, Parker is not a great player he is a very good player. A lot of what he does is a result of the system he plays in. He is perfect to play alongside Timmy because he can get in the lane easier than he would ever be allowed to if he was the primary option out there.

No.
For me the best PG are:
Nash
Paul
Kidd
Baron Davis
Parker/Arenas/Iverson
D.Williams
Billups

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Originally Posted by ducks

really?
what has he improved each year in?
no one hears that he is working in the gym trying to get better just wanting to be the richest athlete in the world

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And how many years did it take for Parker to finally develop a mid-range shot that he can only hit when wide open?

ugh... tp is a good PG but come on... he would never have been an all star without Manu who is the real man (after TD)... From the current golden area, i think that only TD and Manu will be remembered as the leaders of this team.

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Originally Posted by romain.star

ugh... tp is a good PG but come on... he would never have been an all star without Manu who is the real man (after TD)... From the current golden area, i think that only TD and Manu will be remembered as the leaders of this team.

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I disagree. However, if that ends up being the case, it won't be because of lack of talent, passion or determination. Parker has improved each and every single season he's been a part of this team. Last season, he brought his game to a whole new level. In the series against the Cavs, his penetration made all the difference when Duncan and Manu seemed out of options. Granted the series was a sweep, but Parker was the reason.

I agree LeBron is way better than Parker, but the leaders of this team are Tim , Tony and Manu. To say Tony isn't one of them is missleading and untrue

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Originally Posted by Texas_Ranger

No.
For me the best PG are:
Nash
Paul
Kidd
Baron Davis
Parker/Arenas/Iverson
D.Williams
Billups

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Arenas and Williams are better than Parker.

Are you kidding me?

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Originally Posted by MaNuMaNiAc

I disagree. However, if that end up being the case, if won't be because of lack of talent, passion or determination. Parker has improved each and every single season he's been a part of this team. Last season, he brought his game to a whole new level. The series against the Cavs, his penetration made all the difference when Duncan and Manu seemed out of options. Granted the series was a sweep, but Parker was the reason.

I agree LeBron is way better than Parker, but the leaders of this team are Tim , Tony and Manu. To say Tony isn't one of them is missleading and untrue

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MVP whereas he played against gibson or mister one leg Hughes??? come on, we all know that TP is worthless without manu and TD.
Manu led argentinia to Olympic Gold whereas TP led his french side to nowhere. When he plays all by himseld, TP is an average player whereas Manu is a very special player who can handle leadership all by himself.
I'm not here to re start the TP vs Manu war all over again but you have to accept the idea that TP, when he plays without TD and Manu, is an average PG.
Period

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Originally Posted by romain.star

MVP whereas he played against gibson or mister one leg Hughes??? come on, we all know that TP is worthless without manu and TD.
Manu led argentinia to Olympic Gold whereas TP led his french side to nowhere. When he plays all by himseld, TP is an average player whereas Manu is a very special player who can handle leadership all by himself.
I'm not here to re start the TP vs Manu war all over again but you have to accept the idea that TP, when he plays without TD and Manu, is an average PG.
Period

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True on all points.

Manu is special player that seems to be everywhere at once...he's probably the best in the league at making "big" plays.

Parker is a good scorer, but thats pretty much it.

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Originally Posted by da_suns_fan__

True on all points.

Manu is special player that seems to be everywhere at once...he's probably the best in the league at making "big" plays.

Parker is a good scorer, but thats pretty much it.

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He's probably the best in the league right now

Look, Manu is my favorite as well, but lets not take away from what Tony means to this team. I mean, yeah, he benefits from playing along side Tim and Manu, but that can be said for Manu as well. The reason Tony hasn't won much with the French national team has more to do with the teammates he has and their chemistry than the kind of player Tony is, or the kind of talent he has. Which one of you can tell me that we would still have won last season's championship without Tony's key contributions? Who here can tell me Tony wasn't clutch during last seasons Finals? IMO Tony is as much a part of the Spurs' success as Manu or Bowen.

I'd dare you to find anyone in this league that can penetrate to the paint as easily as Tony does. The man is lightning quick, and efficient to boot.

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Originally Posted by MaNuMaNiAc

Look, Manu is my favorite as well, but lets not take away from what Tony means to this team. I mean, yeah, he benefits from playing along side Tim and Manu, but that can be said for Manu as well. The reason Tony hasn't won much with the French national team has more to do with the teammates he has and their chemistry than the kind of player Tony is, or the kind of talent he has. Which one of you can tell me that we would still have won last season's championship without Tony's key contributions? Who here can tell me Tony wasn't clutch during last seasons Finals? IMO Tony is as much a part of the Spurs' success as Manu or Bowen.

I'd dare you to find anyone in this league that can penetrate to the paint as easily as Tony does. The man is lightning quick, and efficient to boot.

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:clap
Knocked it out of the park

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Originally Posted by MaNuMaNiAc

Look, Manu is my favorite as well, but lets not take away from what Tony means to this team. I mean, yeah, he benefits from playing along side Tim and Manu, but that can be said for Manu as well. The reason Tony hasn't won much with the French national team has more to do with the teammates he has and their chemistry than the kind of player Tony is, or the kind of talent he has. Which one of you can tell me that we would still have won last season's championship without Tony's key contributions? Who here can tell me Tony wasn't clutch during last seasons Finals? IMO Tony is as much a part of the Spurs' success as Manu or Bowen.

I'd dare you to find anyone in this league that can penetrate to the paint as easily as Tony does. The man is lightning quick, and efficient to boot.

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Are you serious?

Dwayne Wade, Kobe Bryant, Allen Iverson, Steve Nash...

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Originally Posted by MaNuMaNiAc

Look, Manu is my favorite as well, but lets not take away from what Tony means to this team. I mean, yeah, he benefits from playing along side Tim and Manu, but that can be said for Manu as well. The reason Tony hasn't won much with the French national team has more to do with the teammates he has and their chemistry than the kind of player Tony is, or the kind of talent he has. Which one of you can tell me that we would still have won last season's championship without Tony's key contributions? Who here can tell me Tony wasn't clutch during last seasons Finals? IMO Tony is as much a part of the Spurs' success as Manu or Bowen.

I'd dare you to find anyone in this league that can penetrate to the paint as easily as Tony does. The man is lightning quick, and efficient to boot.

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Nop, we would have won the title without him... Speedy Claxton did it... Any average PG could have done it against Gibson (i mean come on! Gibson!!). Manu brings everything the spurs need in the back court... he has the balls, the vision, the heart, the talent.
Without a shoot first PG like TP, Manu would score 30 points a game and the spurs would be even better.
We all know here that in any other team, with any other PG, Manu would be a MVP contender.
Let me tell you what we need here: a PG who accept to play for manu, who do what it takes to improve the impact Manu can have on the game
there're only a few very special players right now and we are lucky enought to have two of them with us.

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Originally Posted by stretch

And how many years did it take for Parker to finally develop a mid-range shot that he can only hit when wide open?

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little james has been in the nba for more then one year
what has he improved on? what is the press saying he has improved on each year he has been in the nba NOTHING!

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Originally Posted by romain.star

Nop, we would have won the title without him... Speedy Claxton did it... Any average PG could have done it against Gibson (i mean come on! Gibson!!). Manu brings everything the spurs need in the back court... he has the balls, the vision, the heart, the talent.
Without a shoot first PG like TP, Manu would score 30 points a game and the spurs would be even better.
We all know here that in any other team, with any other PG, Manu would be a MVP contender.
Let me tell you what we need here: a PG who accept to play for manu, who do what it takes to improve the impact Manu can have on the game
there're only a few very special players right now and we are lucky enought to have two of them with us.

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do you really think speedy won the title
it had nothing to do with manu,duncan, and the rest of the spurs?

tp also help get the spurs in that postion
speedy sure as hell did not!

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Originally Posted by ducks

little james has been in the nba for more then one year
what has he improved on? what is the press saying he has improved on each year he has been in the nba NOTHING!

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Yeah...LeBron hasn't improved at all.

He went to a guy who couldn't make the all-star team his rookie year to arguably the best player in the league.

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Originally Posted by da_suns_fan__

He went to a guy who couldn't make the all-star team his rookie year to arguably the best player in the league.

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What Jackass is trying to make that argument, other than the marketing Dept, at ESPN.

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Originally Posted by ducks

do you really think speedy won the title
it had nothing to do with manu,duncan, and the rest of the spurs?

tp also help get the spurs in that postion
speedy sure as hell did not!

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that's right... speedy was just an average PG for the spurs (at best) and still when TP disapeared, TD and Manu led the spurs to the 2005 title. It proves quite easily that TP is not the reason for our successes (and don't come with the MVP Finals argument, he played against Gibson so it means shit).

(Btw i'm French, not Argentinian)

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Originally Posted by King23

His declining is very noticeable

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That one game against Houston and his decline is very noticeable?????????? Did you be chance see the first three games? Probably not but 4 games into the season?? This?? :dizzy :rolleyes


When bringing smack at least make it intelligent. Or am I asking too much?

Probably.

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Originally Posted by MaNuMaNiAc

I disagree. However, if that ends up being the case, it won't be because of lack of talent, passion or determination. Parker has improved each and every single season he's been a part of this team. Last season, he brought his game to a whole new level. In the series against the Cavs, his penetration made all the difference when Duncan and Manu seemed out of options. Granted the series was a sweep, but Parker was the reason.

I agree LeBron is way better than Parker, but the leaders of this team are Tim , Tony and Manu. To say Tony isn't one of them is missleading and untrue

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Exactly - his is part of the three headed monster. All three fill a different need and work well together. Would I trade TP for LeBron? In a heartbeat but TP needs the recognition he deserves and has worked hard for.

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Originally Posted by romain.star

that's right... speedy was just an average PG for the spurs (at best) and still when TP disapeared, TD and Manu led the spurs to the 2005 title. It proves quite easily that TP is not the reason for our successes (and don't come with the MVP Finals argument, he played against Gibson so it means shit).

(Btw i'm French, not Argentinian)

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tp is not the same player as he was in 2005!
tp played against nash against the suns also!
tp was a very big reason for the sweep against the cavs

the reason spurs are successfull they have 3 great players on the team
you either need 2 superstars or 3 great players to win title

and a little luck

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Originally Posted by ducks

tp is not the same player as he was in 2005!
tp played against nash against the suns also!
tp was a very big reason for the sweep against the cavs

the reason spurs are successfull they have 3 great players on the team
you either need 2 superstars or 3 great players to win title

and a little luck

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you're right once again.. 2 superstars: Manu and TD. And a good roster with TP, Bruce, Finley, Horry and the others