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Now bottle that up and open it come April.
No lie, 12 points, 14 boards tonight. :tu
Against Shaq :tu
Played him pretty tough too.
He looks like a completely different player this year... he actually looks confident! ;)
He wouldn't be playing so well with an iron mask. I'm just sayin'.
Are you sure it's not just because he has the mask-y thing on?Quote:
Originally Posted by RuffnReadyOzStyle
j/k
But seriously, we all knew he was/is a force to be reckoned with. He's had his moments, but maybe he'll come out and show everyone that he can play like this every game. I'd really like to see a confident and consistent big guy out there against Timmy every night.
Elson was good against Houston in the first quarter and then sucked in the 2nd, 3rd and 4th. Against Miami, Elson sucked in the first quarter and then was good in the 2nd, 3rd and fourth. If he can put it together for one complete game, that'd give the Spurs a solid center option.
Especially considering Oberto has reverted back to It's-The-Regular-Season-So-I-Play-Like-A-Lifeless-Zombie mode.
If he is gonna play like that he should just pull a Rip Hamilton and keep it on
His dunk in the closing minutes of the game was solid.
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Originally Posted by timvp
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Originally Posted by whottt
wha-whaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaat?????
Did whottt just really give props to Elson?
Looks like this is shaping up to be a classic season :smokin
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Originally Posted by Cant_Be_Faded
I've never been an Elson hater...timvp is who you are looking for here.
I've liked Elson since he gave timvp a Sequ level owning in game 1 of last season. :tu
It's that second year Spur phenomenon -- like with Oberto last year.Quote:
Originally Posted by RuffnReadyOzStyle
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Originally Posted by whottt
From an outsider POV, you always hated elson, but timvp chose to purposely hate elson even more just so he could try to continue the whotttimvpwarrs
It was the other 81 games and the playoffs that were the problem. I owned myself when I thought my read on him was wrong after one game.Quote:
Originally Posted by whottt
Pretty tough for a center the size of Oberto to play Yao and Shaq on even terms. He's all right on smaller guys.Quote:
Originally Posted by timvp
He corrals shaq but gets schooled by yao. Is the end of the world near?
eh???
Ginobili Sparks Spurs Over Heat
By ELIZABETH WHITE, Associated Press Writer
Posted Nov 8 2007 12:11AM
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"The Spurs went ahead for good, 41-40, off a jumper from Francisco Oberto with 11:28 left in the third."
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http://www.nba.com/games/20071107/MIASAS/recap.html
who the hell was it?
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magnusdrakenkrauss
I knew he was going to step up more this season. second season with us. If they have something in them, they always step up in their second season. It is either make it or break it. If they don't, they are not going to be Spurs very long.
I am really happy with Elson because he seems really a lot more aggressive in every aspects of the game, shooting, blocking, running, dunking, hustling, rebounding... Now, we can watch some dunk in Spurs game too. (just kidding)
that thong thong thong
cisqo
Second game that I didn't say ELSON GRAB THE BALL, DAMN IT! (first vs Detroit last season) I've repeating that all the time.Quote:
Originally Posted by timvp
(2nd of 120 pretty bad for the time being...)
I especially liked his airball jump hook.
Or his cut throught he middle brick dunk a few games back...
reminds me of when i play!
kidding really...im glad he is at least going after it...i like to see that confidence.
it seems to me that for every good thing he does, he balances it out with a moron play..i havent seen a spur (7 footer at that) miss so many dunks..he tries to jam SO hard, he should worry about getting the 2 points before he tries to take the rim off
Well his good play to "WTF?!!!" play ratio in last night's game was about 4 to 1, which we can live with.
The thing with the Spurs' two headed center monster is that about 10% of the time either Oberto or Elson have an exceptional night, 35% of the time both play a good game, 35% of the time one of them plays good while the other struggles, and 20% of the time both suck. Somehow together they provide decent production from the 5 spot.
I think last night was what the front office envisioned when they signed Elson to that offer sheet. Of course, he went off against ancient Shaq.
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Originally Posted by Soul_Patch
The mask is probably getting knocked around and screwing up his vision. does anyone know is the mask a permanent thing? I have heard commentators say he has to wear it the rest of his career, and others say he wont have to wear it in a month or so. :wtf
Its kinda cool, he looks like Hannibal Elson out there.
Nah, at this point in time Yao is a much better player than Shaq.Quote:
Originally Posted by G-Nob
Im really loving the Manu and Frankie combo. With Manu's basketball IQ, he can make anyone look good including Frankie. (well, except Nazi)
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Originally Posted by ancestron
Was that before or after they said Vicente Fox was Argentina's President?
haha
Elson played well yesterday
I think he'll play the same or more minutes then Fabricio in regular season
I think Oberto is like Horry, a playoff guy
Never though I'd see the day when Elson would out-play Shaq and outperform Duncan in a game. This should be a big bosst for his confidence and hpe he builds on it. He's had the better start to the season than Fab so far.
Yeah, Elson's rebounding rate is great. It's just slightly lower than that of Bonzi Wells.
I like the way Elson is moving without the ball and taking his shots when he has them. It's almost like he's involved in the game.
His jumpshot has improved this year.
Anybody else but me notice Elson has a new shot? Where he fakes a pass to a teammate, and shoots from about 18 feet. And Manu has a new shot too, he now uses that fingerroll teardrop consistently against tall guys.
Elson's shot isn't new....he's always had the 18-footer. But I'm not really that impressed with it because he doesn't hit it consistently and he never has.Quote:
Originally Posted by bdictjames
....and his overall defense is still poor
About the only good thing I can say for him is that he has finished around the basket more often than not this season....which is a welcomed change.
But I don't see Elson as ever getting the lion's share of the minutes at Center this season. And if Mahinmi continues to show promise along with the arriveal of Splitter next year, I'm not sure there will be a need for Elson. Of course, alot of it will depend on his asking salary....if he wants any more than the $3M he's getting right now, I doubt the Spurs will pony up.
Bottom Line: Elson just aint that good.
PHAT TONY, your full of Bologna...which is a poem except it dont look as good when you type it
Elson has averaged 8rpg in 23mpg so far. It's really good.
Spurs really need Elson this year. Oberto is often overmatched by quick an big players, Bonner defense is very suspect, Horry is old and Mahinmi isn't ready to contribute (and I'm not even sure Spurs see him as a good prospect).
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Originally Posted by djohn14
Call it "balonee" if you want, but I remain unconvinced that Elson is worthy of receiving any extra minutes, let alone that he could be the legitimate Center option this team has been looking for since Robinson's departure.Quote:
Originally Posted by djohn14
Furthermore, I don't see him as being a part of the future of this team because the Spurs just made a three-year commitment to Oberto and should have both Mahinmi & Splitter coming on board next year....seems to me that one has to go and I'd bet on it being the guy without the guaranteed contract in 08-09.
Elson has been playing SOLID basketball. No more, no less. Personally, I think that's exactly what the Spurs want from him. There's no need for Elson to average 15/10, unless his main priority is to satisfy some of the anal posters on Spurstalk. I'm happy with 8/7.
I like Elson to start if Manu continues off the bench. Manu and Oberto have great chemistry, especially on the screen and roll. Why not maximize their court time together?
I actually remember quite a few times where Manu was actually even able to make Nazr look goodQuote:
Originally Posted by pawe
How is 0 pts and 4 rebs in 20 minutes?Quote:
Originally Posted by remingtonbo2001
I'm not saying that's what Elson will average every night, but I think it points to the fact that neither Elson or Oberto are complete enough as players to be the primary Center option for this team.
They should continue to share the load this season as they did last season and the Spurs FO should balance Elson as a 20MPG guy against his asking price....if it's more than the $3M he's already getting, I say the Spurs should walk away as they did with Nazr and backfill from in house (Mahinmi & Splitter) or FA.
If it were me, I'd walk away regardless and see what I had in the two young guys to fill the backup center role for 15-20 MPG...but that's just me.
NOOOOOOOOOOOO!!! :spless:Quote:
Originally Posted by PHAT TONY
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Originally Posted by Thompson
So noted...and changed.