Manu PER

Well said, Kori - I think it's called the "fantasy-fication" of sports, where stats mean more than the actual game! :depressed

That was not a shot at fantasy, I love fantasy ball, but it has it's place, and so does watching the game for the GAME'S SAKE, which is why basketball reporters should be watching the game.

And it makes me wonder WHY they don't watch more basketball!? I can watch it in Australia, yet they can't make time?

Bill Simmons is a guy who obviously watches a lot of the game and you can tell by the things he says about the players. Some other writers, I wonder WTF they are doing with their time.

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Originally Posted by Manudona

You know, for a moment I thought you were being serious, then I remembered some writings of some of your fellow native English speaking posters whose writing skills are ... well lacking :P :D

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True indeed. Bloody Americans... :lmao

Another game and Manu still strong in first place... go Manu!

89 games to go :D

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Originally Posted by Deimosfobos

Another game and Manu still strong in first place... go Manu!

89 games to go :D

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89?

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Originally Posted by kolko

89?

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73 season game + at least 16 (wins) on the playoffs
:spin

Can I see a link to for Manu's PER?

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Originally Posted by E20

Can I see a link to for Manu's PER?

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Try here:

http://insider.espn.go.com/nba/holli...r%2fstatistics

It will let you see the top five in all positions.
You might need "insider" to go furthur, but it's a start.

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Originally Posted by E20

Can I see a link to for Manu's PER?

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1 Manu Ginobili, SAS 33.27
2 Chris Paul, NOR 29.93
3 LeBron James, CLE 29.18
4 Jason Terry, DAL 28.69
5 Tracy McGrady, HOU 27.82

Last game was not bad, but his 6to and lower FG% costed him about 1 point, still has a nice lead and 33.27 is still amazing.

As much as i would love for him to end up first, i would be happy with "just" 24/25 at the end of the season. :greedy

After 11 games, Manu's PER is 32.95. Still the best PER in NBA history :smokin



And Parker has a career-high PER of 22.46 ... good for 23rd in the NBA. Duncan is 25th at 22.34.

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Originally Posted by timvp

Kevin Garnett >> Tim Duncan

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Originally Posted by timvp

After 11 games, Manu's PER is 32.95. Still the best PER in NBA history :smokin



And Parker has a career-high PER of 22.46 ... good for 23rd in the NBA. Duncan is 25th at 22.34.

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Wow, Timmy's rarely (if ever) been that low on the PER rankings. I wonder what he was at this time in the PF season (2006)?

:tu to Manu and TP. I was thinking the other night about whether there's a better tandem of guards playing together in the NBA (even though Manu is 6th man, he and Tony play a lot together), and I don't think there is. I love the way they can both slash, both hit the J, both play hard D, and Manu's incredible passing means that he can often take over the point and let Tony loose to play more of a shooting guard scoring role. The compliment each other perfectly. Synchronicity. That's our Spurs! :D

The bad news is the Manu is no longer first. The good news is that the Spurs now have three players in the top 16.

League Leaders in PER
1 LeBron James, CLE 31.10
2 Manu Ginobili, SAS 30.49
3 Chris Paul, NOR 27.71
4 Dwight Howard, ORL 27.71
5 Carlos Boozer, UTH 25.97
6 Kevin Garnett, BOS 25.95
7 Chauncey Billups, DET 25.91
8 Kobe Bryant, LAL 25.08
9 Amare Stoudemire, PHO 24.97
10 Tim Duncan, SAS 24.96
11 Yao Ming, HOU 24.84
12 Steve Nash, PHO 24.81
13 Michael Redd, MIL 24.59
14 Jason Terry, DAL 24.34
15 Tracy McGrady, HOU 24.02
16 Tony Parker, SAS 23.94

What's the PER trophy look like? ;)

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Originally Posted by Obstructed_View

What's the PER trophy look like? ;)

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Like the Dallas Mavericks' championship trophy.

Manu's been playing amazing lately but now it seems like he is coming back down to earth. Hopefully he can continue playing well.

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Originally Posted by TMTTRIO

Manu's been playing amazing lately but now it seems like he is coming back down to earth. Hopefully he can continue playing well.

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I don't think he slowed down but rather TP getting rid of the rust and TD starting to feel himself. The scoring responsibilities are quietly shifting back again. Manu did have a poor shooting game last night but that's no indication he has slowed down, let's see next games.

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Originally Posted by Deimosfobos

73 season game + at least 16 (wins) on the playoffs
:spin

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There's 82 games in a season.

i dont think people really expected him to keep a PER north of 30 for the entire season. that just wouldnt mesh with the style of his play... he'll have pockets in the season where he'll play like a superstar.. then come back down to earth for a period... then start tearing it up again... that's how he is... and that's kinda how we need him to be... especially if he plays like a superstar when other players are struggling.

it just so happened that this superstar pocket happened at the start of the season.

Hollinger, having developed PER, can be expected to oversell his system. Not that analysts automatically do it with their rating systems, but it shouldn't surprise that an analyst would.

PER, like anything else, is useful to the extent of what it measures. It measures a players offensive efficiency, which shouldn't be confused with measuring which player is the best. Rating the best player, by its very nature, involves subjective factors - but that doesn't mean we can't look at PPG, RPG, APG, NBAE, PER, TENDEX, or anything else.

I favor looking at as many metrics as possible while considering those intangibles and those things that can only be observed as well. Why reject this statistic or that because it has a flaw? Your eye and mine has a flaw, too.

per is a stupid stat

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per is a stupid stat

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Very persuasive.

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Originally Posted by ducks

per is a stupid stat

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:lol gee, I wonder why you think its stupid...

I have always thought it was stupid

even before manu played in the nba

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Originally Posted by ducks

I have always thought it was stupid

even before manu played in the nba

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hmm... I was actually alluding to your hate for LeBron James, and the fact that he is first on the list... but its good to know what you're thinking about.

I think the PER stat is quite recent in it's usage and hasn't recieved this much usage when it was introduced in the late 90's. I think most people were introduced to PER in 2002-2003.

I posted the manu part because that is what I thought you trying to get at