Lakers sat out in 99' ?
Unless Phil sat out in 99' since that year "didn't count"...he should stfu.
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Lakers sat out in 99' ?
Unless Phil sat out in 99' since that year "didn't count"...he should stfu.
I think the thing that was most disheartening to me about .4 was the fact that it (a lot like Manu's foul against the Mavs in 2006) spoiled a great comeback by the Spurs.
In Game 5 in 2004, the Spurs got out to a slow start and were behind by 6 after a quarter and were down 7 at the half. They fell further behind in the 3rd quarter and were down 16 (61-45) at about the 4 minute mark of that 3rd quarter. They ended the 3rd on an 8-1 run, but were still down 9 at the end of 3 quarters. They just kept fighting through the 4th, outscoring LA 20-10 through the first 11:59.6 of the quarter. Fisher's turnabout was the only thing that spoiled that comeback.
I'll also always remember that Luke Walton hit a crazy 3 late in the first half of that game at a point when the Spurs had gotten close after being down double-digits. IIRC, it was the only shot Walton hit in the entire series, but it kept the Spurs from being that much closer at the half and made Duncan's shot only a lead-changer.
I suppose the fact that the Spurs had such a slow start after dropping 2 games (and losing them relatively badly in LA) had to rally from such a big deficit is probably reason enough for them to have lost the game; but it just seemed to be such a perfect mirror image of what had happened in 2002 in particular, when the Lakers would play from behind until the mid-3rd or so and then just overpower the Spurs in the 4th. The turnabout seemed to be just so sweet. To see it happen, only to have it ripped away in such a once-in-a-lifetime moment was maddening. To lose to LA, in that way, was all the worse.
I think the assumption that the Spurs would have beaten Detroit in the Finals is probably unfounded; I do think the Spurs were better built to deal with the Pistons in some ways, but I'm not sure that guys like Hedo Turkoglu, Jason Hart, and Charlie Ward were going to be very helpful in that regard.
I think the passage of time has healed the wounds of .4 for me. Seeing two more titles and knowing that all that's kept the Spurs from likely having at least 1 more is the combination of Fisher's ridiculous shot and Manu's ridiculous foul is some solace for me. It means, truly, that I've been witness to at least 1 of the greatest plays in the history of the NBA; I love the Spurs, but I pay to see the amazing things that all NBA players can do and with .4, I did see one of the most amazing plays ever.
I would hope Spurs fans are over the whole 0.4 thing. After 2 championships to "sooth the pain" 0.4 should only be a distant memory. I know it is for me
I would rather see the Spurs 4-0 in the Finals than 4-1. I'm not so sure anyone was beating the Pistons that year. The Pacers played Detroit as well as humanly possible, and Indy still couldn't handle the Pistons. Lakers' apologists can whine about Malone all they want; Malone doesn't represent the difference in those blowouts in the 2004 Finals. It was "their year," I guess.
That was a tough loss for me, too. I thought it was over after TD hit his shot but that's BB. I felt that the clock started late but what's done is done. Anyway that shot will never happen again. Now it's illegal. But that dosen't take away the disappointment I felt at the time. Though the Pistons were really rolling at the time and I think it would have been difficult to beat them that year.
Turkoglu choked big time. One of the most inconsistent players I've ever seen.Quote:
Originally Posted by JBIIRockets
I'm much more affected by Manu's stupid foul of 2006 than the 0.4 crap. To think that if Manu didn't have that brain fart, we would have won that series right then and there, not to mention probably kicked Miami's ass in the finals. Painful I tell you!
TD hit two crucial shots down the stretch. Of course he had the one over Shaq. But how about that double clutch banker a few minutes before that shot.
And Robert Horry bricked a wide open three pointer down the stretch.
Crazy game and series....and I still believe if Malone was healthy we would have at lesat went 7 games with the Pistons. Anyways, that's the past and it's great to hear about all of the posters thoughts and lamenttions regarding the infamous shot. Still, the Lakers are rebuilding and still a shadow of themselves....
Coming from the default champs. What was the head to head? That's right, Lakers win by a mile. Ego had a lot to do with our demise not the Spurs beating us. Shaq/Kobe Lakers own the Tim Duncan Spurs and that's the way it will go down in history.Quote:
Originally Posted by MaNuMaNiAc
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Why is Rasho boxing out? If I were Rasho I would have gotten on Tim Duncan's shoulders and blocked that shit.
3 years ago you are right - but it doesn't matter now.Quote:
Originally Posted by MajicMan
4 (or 5 or 6) - 3 is the final scoreboard. History won't remember anything much more than that, and the Spurs have scoreboard.
Will history remember that Wallace's Pistons "owned" the Shaq/Kobe Lakers? No. Only Piston fans will long remember that.
Only Titles = Long Memory.
Spurs = Scoreboard
MY EYES!!!Quote:
Originally Posted by E20
flame bait. you should have counted the minneaoplis years too.Quote:
Originally Posted by So Cal
Shaq and Kobe won 3 of 5 playoff series against Duncan's Spurs -- that means that Duncan won 2 of 5; I'd hardly say that a difference of 1 in series wins is "domination" or "ownership."Quote:
Originally Posted by MajicMan
Each team swept the other and each won a 6-game series. The sole difference is the Lakers' 5-game win in 2002 (with a note that David Robinson only played in 3 of those games) and that year, the Lakers won by 6, 10, 2, and 6. For a stretch of 5 playoff series between teams, that's pretty damned close.
All together, over the stretch of 1999-2004, the Lakers won 14 playoff games against the Spurs; the Spurs won 11 against the Lakers. Playing 3 games over .500 is, again, hardly domination. For instance, the Spurs were 13-10 against the Lakers during the regular season in that time frame -- I doubt you'd acknowledge that as any form of domination.
We could win the next 80 championships in a row and .4 would still kill me.
It mostly has to do with the shot Duncan hit, and the fact that had Fisher not hit the final shot, Duncan's shot could arguably be greater than even that of Horry's had the Spurs gone on to win the championship that year. (Though I'll probably still stick with Horry's shot, and yes, Duncan's shot would've been better than the memorial day miracle).
Manu's foul was incredibly frustrating, and still hurts to this day, but having your heart ripped out like the Fisher shot just left me speechless.
Game 6 really hurt too, as we were up by 10 at halftime, only to fall apart in the second half :depressed
The weird thing about the Spurs/Lakers rivalry is how few really good games there were between the teams. The 0.4 game being the obvious exception, but the overwhelming majority of the games between the two teams just weren't that compelling.
He did count the Minneapolis years. They've won five in Minneapolis, nine in LA.Quote:
flame bait. you should have counted the minneaoplis years too.
Not a chance, ever.Quote:
Originally Posted by Amuseddaysleeper
The thing I remember most was seeing .04 and not .03 or less. .04 meant a shot could be taken and it was. Still hurts, I hope it always will.
Duncan's shot was a wild chuck up that magically went in. He didn't even know the shot went in until his teammates started mugging him.
It was also the shot that probably would've gone on to win the series.
Elliott's shot was incredible, but the reality of the situation was that it helped us sweep an inexperienced Portland team as oppose to beating them in 5 or 6.
So yeah. considering the circumstances, I'd take Duncan's shot > Elliott's
I can think of a few:Quote:
Originally Posted by Mitch Cumsteen
Game 2 of the 1999 WCSF went right down to the wire, with Rambis ultimately deciding against doubling Duncan on the game's crucial possession late;
Game 2 of the 2001 WCF was a tight game late -- the Lakers won it on a 13-5 run in the last half of the 4th quarter;
Games 1, 2, and 4 of the 2002 WCSF were tight games that went right to the wire (Game 1 was decided on a Kobe jumper in the last 30 seconds; Game 2 featured Antonio Daniels' fake timeout play as the Spurs eeked out a victory in LA; and Game 4 was Kobe hitting a shot in the last 10 seconds to win the game);
Game 4 of the 2003 WCSF was decided by Kobe free throws with about a minute to go and Game 5 of that series had the Lakers rallying from down 25 in the second half only to have Horry miss a three pointer with virtually no time left;
Game 5 of the 2004 WCSF is .4.
I don't know that any of those games (other than maybe .4) is remembered in most corners as one of the NBA greatest games, but there were a number of extremely close games over that stretch between two teams that were clearly the class of basketball in that time.
That shot was the biggest robbery of recent sports history. It's not possible to score like that. Kudos to Fisher who ran across the court into the locker room like a possessed person; had he stayed put, they would have probably reviewed the shot and challenged it.
Yes, and it pains me to hear this shot referred to as a "miracle." It's not possible to catch, turn and shoot in less than half a second, people seem to forget that. We was robbed.Quote:
Originally Posted by SpurOutofTownFan
you're right. The Shaq/Kobe lakers owned everybody... even themselves. Nobody is disputing what they did, but you people need to accept the fact that they no longer exist. Your lakers are nothing like that team and you know itQuote:
Originally Posted by MajicMan
The spurs is leading the lakers :clap :clapQuote:
Originally Posted by MaNuMaNiAc
go spurs go :clap
love the spurs