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Because it could have very well meant 2 more rings, 6 in the last 9, and working on their 7th. It's not about being "whiney bitches," it's more about reminding ourselves what could've been, and there's nothing wrong with that. No one is crying, no one is bitching, and since Fisher is coming into town, it's only fitting.Quote:
Originally Posted by baseline bum
.4 hurt more for some reason. The Spurs just collapsed four games in a row. But I get the feeling if they won that game they would have finished it in 7.
I hate people always talk about Manu's 06 foul. :ihit
You could say that it might be not a smart foul now because we knew the outcome. :blah
During a game, anything could happen. If manu's foul was sucessful, it might be a great foul because Dirk might miss one freethrow and Mavs might shoot a three points or something like that. :rolleyes
This is who Manu is. Never be afraid of failure! :)
With .4 I was just more SHOCKED than anything, but I got over it pretty quick.
I mean, .4 didn't WIN the f'kn series.
for me it was easily .4 game. i was at the game in 06 when ginobili fouled. we still could have won in OT. but i still remember .4 very well and i wasn't at that game. I just went from being on such a high when duncan scored to almost feeling like my dog had just got run over right in front of my eyes in disbelief when fisher scored. its not even close for me.
The foul. :depressed .04 was a miracle shot out of our control whereas the team/Manu was specifically instructed not to foul :nope regardless of circumstances. No foul and we win. :bang Some say that we had a chance to win in OT and that's theorectically true but the Spurs were dead tired with - IMO - little if any chance of winning in OT. Also we pretty much would have gone on and beat the Heat and got our back -to - back Championships. So all the talk about wheter the Spurs are or aren't a dynasty would be moot.
The foul. The Spurs would likely have defeated Miami and the Spurs would have the threepeat now.
Bringing up shots that occur only once a millinium, which shot do you think would be more likely to happen again, Elliot's Memorial Day Miracle, or the .04 shot by Fischer?Quote:
Originally Posted by Spurminator
I would say that the foul had to be more heartbreaking...well except for me. Ah great memory of being at that game!! :clap :clap :clap
I can't pick one. They were both awesome!
Fischer's shot.
Game 7 in 06, we played like shit the first half basically and I was pretty disguisted. I knew that after we made a strong run the 2nd half that the mavs would have their run come OT. I knew we were going to lose in OT so it didn't shock me as much as Fischer's lucky shot.
.4 no doubt, it was so much worse because Timmy hit that miracle and you thought there was no way in hell the Spurs could lose and everyone was so happy and confident and then BAM, everyone was shocked.
.4 for sure. I was bitter for months.
Fisher's shot hurt more. For two reasons. One, Duncan had just made that amazing shot to take the lead at the end of the game. Second, because as much as I hate the Mavs, i hated the Lakers more. They were classless, whether as winners or losers.
YOU GUYS ARE DREAMING!!!!
the .4 seconds shot was the hardest thing to take because it was totally out of our control and we got robbed.
I don't even consider the foul as something bad as you can't say we lost because Manu fouled at the wrong time. That series was probably the most difficult series of all the rings we won. We were hanging in there just by not much - we got outplayed in several games. The entire team made mistakes. You can't just say we lost because such and such players made a bad decision. If you do that, then you don't believe in basketball being a team sport and you should probably watch chess.
The Manu foul hurts me more because that was a game 7. Sure we still had OT but we had a great shot to pull off an amazing comeback in the series and almost assuredly would have won the title that year had we beaten Dallas. I agree with the people that say Detroit would have gave us trouble in the Finals in 04, that team was better than the one we played in the 05 Finals in my opinion.
I don't know about the rest of you, but the 3-1 series hole to Dallas really bothered me. I couldn't sleep at night on the days between games. All I could think about was the next game. Having your hopes go from rock bottom to sky high and then back to rock bottom over the course of a seven game series, especially with the way that one ended, will eternally be much more painful than Derek Fisher's miracle shot.
Fisher's shot was in a game 5. That means we had two more games and the 7th would have been at home. All we had to do was go on the road and beat them in LA once to get the clincher at home. The .4 shot was tough to swallow but continuing to bitch about it now, in 2007, is pretty hypocritical seeing how most of us blast Suns fans for whining about the Horry foul and suspensions costing them a series when they too still had two games to mount a comeback and failed to do it.
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Originally Posted by tmtcsc
+ 1
also, in game 7, I was at least glad the Spurs didn't fold when they were getting blown by 20 in the first half (though that really disappointed me :pctoss ) So when Manu made that foul. It hurt a lot against the team, but we were fortunate enough to bounce back and win the championship the next year to redeem that mistake. So eh, human error on Manu's part; it's forgivable. Can't really blame the guy who helped bring you back in game, and put you ahead with the 3, seconds earlier. Let alone helped win some championships.
It's one of those regrettable things, where you have to keep telling yourself, that even if we were on the cusp of advancing, " 'almost succeeded', still doesn't cut it. " and you really can't win them all. Also, I think the Spurs that year were putting a lot of pressure on themselves to repeat, more than was warranted. It was still a game. I think they're more Horry-like (Manu included) now in attitude, after winning the '07 ship'.
The 0.4 shot gutted me,because that year...it made me sick because the game/series was such a rollercoaster. When the Spurs won the first two games, I was convinced we had the Lakers number, (let alone they had Karl Malone on the team!). I was also really pissed off during game 6 after 0.4, and to me the Spurs were still be considered soft that year, regardless if they were demoralized.
I think after 2005, they eliminated those demons, because on the brink of elimination down 3-1, they actually forced a game 7 against a better team, by sheer will. Mavs outplaying us in OT proved to me, they had the edge over us. If you're too tired to not win in OT you don't deserve the win. Luckily Pop learned and then regulated the minutes of his older vets/and our stars with more attentiveness the following year.
I also despise the Lakers' swagger more than the Mavs swagger. The Mavs vibe really weren't that bad in 06, because I still respected them as a team. (When they lost in the Finals, they became more douchebaggy, but) they certainly don't have that same repulsiveness as the Lakers. Mark Cuban is just an asshat. Phil Jackson, Shaq, Kobes, trickling down to the other Laker players; all assholes.
So yeah, definitely 0.4 was more painful.
I'm just glad that neither the Lakers nor the Mavs won the championship in the years they eliminated us.
.4 because it was fuckin obvious that if its not an alley-oop attempt at the rim then Fisher was going to get the ball. He had the quickest release of anybody on the court for them and more importantly is left handed.
even if there never was .4 though and the Spurs win the series in 7 they would not have won the NBA Title, the Pistons were a better team that year.
Losing game 7 vs the Mavs, not the Manu foul, cost us a NBA Title. The opportunity to win that game was still there even after the foul, we just got beat in OT.
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Originally Posted by Walter Craparita
That shot was something else. I didnt think he would make it.
The 0.4 shot, if only because it's against the evil empire itself, Shaq-Kobe Lakers.
The foul.
The foul.
You can tip your hat to a lucky shot but to foul when you were told not to foul in the timeout right before hurts.
.4 for me was worse. The Lakers were much more of a rival than Dallas. I really fucking despised the Lakers. And top that off with Karl "Elbow" Malone being on that team.
I was at a GTG watching that game and half the guys there were Lakers fans. After Tim's shot, us Spurs fans were really celebrating while the other guys just stood there in disbelief. In a matter of .4 second, it was a complete reversal of celebrating. Those fucking guys would not shut up the rest of the night and all I could do was stand there and listen to their shit. That loss still stings to this day. :depressed
Nothing. Both led to eventual championships.
it seems it's official that for Spurstalk.com the 0.4 shot was the the play that hurt us the most.. the poll speaks by itself... it was a close one though