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WEST CENTERS (12)
LaMarcus Aldridge, Portland
Andris Biedrins, Golden State
Marcus Camby, Denver
Tyson Chandler, New Orleans
Erick Dampier, Dallas
Tim Duncan, San Antonio
Pau Gasol, Memphis
Chris Kaman, LA Clippers
Brad Miller, Sacramento
Mehmet Okur, Utah
Amaré Stoudemire, Phoenix
Yao Ming, Houston
according to nba.com
This is an outrage! I'm boycotting the NBA from here on out.
Guess he won't be starting this season.
He plays C quite often
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Originally Posted by ChumpDumper
I am all for TD sitting and resting during All Star weekend..
The spurs list him as a PF. So how could the NBA make in a center?
Yao must be listed as a PF then ...
So who's the starting PF for the Spurs? The only forward listed on the ballot is Bruce Bowen.
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http://www.nba.com/news/ballot_071113.html
NBA ALL-STAR 2008 EASTERN CONFERENCE BALLOT
EAST GUARDS (24)
Ray Allen, Boston
Gilbert Arenas, Washington
Chauncey Billups, Detroit
Vince Carter, New Jersey
Jamal Crawford, New York
Raymond Felton, Charlotte
T.J. Ford, Toronto
Ben Gordon, Chicago
Richard Hamilton, Detroit
Kirk Hinrich, Chicago
Larry Hughes, Cleveland
Andre Iguodala, Philadelphia
Joe Johnson, Atlanta
Jason Kapono, Toronto
Jason Kidd, New Jersey
Stephon Marbury, New York
Andre Miller, Philadelphia
Jameer Nelson, Orlando
Anthony Parker, Toronto
Michael Redd, Milwaukee
Jason Richardson, Charlotte
Jamaal Tinsley, Indiana
Dwyane Wade, Miami
Maurice Williams, Milwaukee
EAST FORWARDS (24)
Andrea Bargnani, Toronto
Chris Bosh, Toronto
Caron Butler, Washington
Luol Deng, Chicago
Mike Dunleavy, Indiana
Kevin Garnett, Boston
Drew Gooden, Cleveland
Danny Granger, Indiana
Udonis Haslem, Miami
LeBron James, Cleveland
Antawn Jamison, Washington
Richard Jefferson, New Jersey
Kyle Korver, Philadelphia
David Lee, New York
Rashard Lewis, Orlando
Antonio McDyess, Detroit
Andres Nocioni, Chicago
Paul Pierce, Boston
Tayshaun Prince, Detroit
Zach Randolph, New York
Josh Smith, Atlanta
Hedo Turkoglu, Orlando
Charlie Villanueva, Milwaukee
Gerald Wallace, Charlotte
EAST CENTERS (12)
Andrew Bogut, Milwaukee
Eddy Curry, New York
Samuel Dalembert, Philadelphia
Dwight Howard, Orlando
Zydrunas Ilgauskas, Cleveland
Nenad Krstic, New Jersey
Emeka Okafor, Charlotte
Jermaine O’Neal, Indiana
Shaquille O’Neal, Miami
Zaza Pachulia, Atlanta
Ben Wallace, Chicago
Rasheed Wallace, Detroit
WEST GUARDS (24)
Leandro Barbosa, Phoenix
Raja Bell, Phoenix
Mike Bibby, Sacramento
Kobe Bryant, LA Lakers
Baron Davis, Golden State
Monta Ellis, Golden State
Michael Finley, San Antonio
Randy Foye, Minnesota
Manu Ginobili, San Antonio
Allen Iverson, Denver
Jarrett Jack, Portland
Stephen Jackson, Golden State
Kevin Martin, Sacramento
Tracy McGrady, Houston
Cuttino Mobley, LA Clippers
Steve Nash, Phoenix
Tony Parker, San Antonio
Chris Paul, New Orleans
Luke Ridnour, Seattle
Brandon Roy, Portland
Jerry Stackhouse, Dallas
Jason Terry, Dallas
Antoine Walker, Minnesota
Deron Williams, Utah
WEST FORWARDS (24)
Carmelo Anthony, Denver
Ron Artest, Sacramento
Shane Battier, Houston
Carlos Boozer, Utah
Bruce Bowen, San Antonio
Nick Collison, Seattle
Kevin Durant, Seattle
Rudy Gay, Memphis
Al Harrington, Golden State
Grant Hill, Phoenix
Josh Howard, Dallas
Al Jefferson, Minnesota
Andrei Kirilenko, Utah
Corey Maggette, LA Clippers
Shawn Marion, Phoenix
Mike Miller, Memphis
Nêne, Denver
Dirk Nowitzki, Dallas
Lamar Odom, LA Lakers
Luis Scola, Houston
Peja Stojakovic, New Orleans
Wally Szczerbiak, Seattle
Luke Walton, L.A. Lakers
David West, New Orleans
WEST CENTERS (12)
LaMarcus Aldridge, Portland
Andris Biedrins, Golden State
Marcus Camby, Denver
Tyson Chandler, New Orleans
Erick Dampier, Dallas
Tim Duncan, San Antonio
Pau Gasol, Memphis
Chris Kaman, LA Clippers
Brad Miller, Sacramento
Mehmet Okur, Utah
Amaré Stoudemire, Phoenix
Yao Ming, Houston
I guess this puts a crimp in Amare Stoudemire's All-Star weekend plans.
But I also guess that we won't have to hear all the noise about Luis Scola beating out Tim Duncan to start in the All-Star game.
Maybe Tim didn't want to go, so he requested to be moved to the center list because he knew he'd get beaten out by Yao :)
I am hoping for Spurs- less All Star weekend... we could always use the rest.
Maybe it's so Carmelo Anthony could finally start in an ASG. Gotta give him some sort of handicap.
When Shaq made the all-star game last year after playing like 12 games before the voting ended I realized how big of a joke the whole thing is.
Timmy won't start, but neither should Amare. And I have no doubt that both will make the team.
Yao Ming will start, obviously, and per Tim's request the coaches will pick Amare as his backup.Quote:
Originally Posted by Darkwaters
After going 9 times, Tim probably thinks the whole All-Star deal is kind of retarded.
With 2 young children at home, and a repeat as a priority, let him stay home.
I hope he's not picked by the coaches.
His team needs him in the spring more than he needs another ASG appearance on his resume.
for the sake of history
i want Duncan to play and start so 10 years from now, he was an AS starter for his entire career
but hopefully media can verify if he is the one that wants to sit.
why would he risk himself when the game is held in NO
Yeah, I heard Duncan has a fear of hurricanes, besides sharks.Quote:
Originally Posted by TDMVPDPOY
I think he thinks a hurricane might just sneak up on him.
Meh, big deal so he does not start but he will still be at the game. At this point in his career does it really matter???
When he is retired and forgotten by the people too young to remember him, it will be all the all star games started and rings won that define him.
TD should get into as many all star games as he can.
ASG is a joke anyways.
Even if the voters select someone else as the starter(most likely Yao) the coaches will vote him in as a reserve. Everyone else like Aldridge and Stoudermire is screwed.
no cause duncan is afraid of thisQuote:
Originally Posted by E20
http://i78.photobucket.com/albums/j8...s/gifs/ack.gif
and ASG is a joke, the games arent as serious like the games back in the 90s
only because you have never been in one.Quote:
Originally Posted by Walter Craparita
:rolleyes
Maybe Tim is on there as a center because he plays center!!
As to Yao, people have a misconception about his balloting. He gets voted in by the NBA fans who vote in the arenas-- not the online ballots.
So online ballots don't count?
You seem to know about this, can you answer a few questions:Quote:
Originally Posted by ploto
Do you mean that if you counted only the arena votes, he would get in as a starter? If so, since when? I would guess he wouldn't have started his first couple ASGs if it was based on just arena votes.
How did Yao's online votes last year cmopare to everyone else's?
Reason I ask is because I'm guessing online votes still count these days. So, if someone like Yi had made the ballot, he could have been voted in over KG or LeBron, right?
You guys are idiots I'm talking about the ones who play this card "Oh its ok Tim will now get much needed rest for the spurs to repeat in spring." Dumbasses lol you think not playing 20 minutes in the ASG will give Tim a bunch of energy come spring time when the playoffs arrive. The only thing it prevents if he doesn't play is injury from happening. Nobody tries in the ASG rest or no rest its not going to make a difference long term healthwise for Tim. I would prefer to see him at the ASG because as a fan I like to see the spurs represented at the ASG.
Yao wins the paper balloting- contrary to what people think. There were even years that Shaq won the online balloting but lost out to Yao because of the paper ballots.Quote:
Originally Posted by smrattler
I can look for an article later.
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In fact, for the 2004 All-Star Game, the year in which Yao won the starting spot by the smallest margin in his career, he actually received around 4,000 fewer online votes than his rival, Shaquille O'Neal. Yao managed to make up for this by outvoting O'Neal in paper balloting. These paper ballots were handed out in NBA arenas and shopping malls in the United States and Chinese fans were unable to vote on them. Thanks to paper balloting, Yao went on to finish ahead of O'Neal that year by a margin of 29,000 votes overall.
LaMarcus doesn't play center! What a crock!
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Originally Posted by daslicer
FINALLY FINALLY
THIS IS PERFECT
LIKE HE IS GONNA GET TIRED BY PLAYING HALF ASS
exactlyQuote:
Originally Posted by Jimcs50
Wow that sucks!
You're right. Tim Duncan's legacy as an NBA player remains in doubt unless he starts a couple more All-Star Games. Brilliant opinion.Quote:
Originally Posted by Jimcs50
You have no clue, Extra Stout -- being behind only Elgin Baylor, Bob Pettit, Michael Jordan, Jerry West, Bob Cousy, Karl Malone and Kareem Abdul-Jabbar in terms of First Team All-NBA selections means next to nothing if you don't start more than 8 All-Star Games.Quote:
Originally Posted by Extra Stout
I mean, having 10 All-Defensive team selections (second all-time) is really meaningless without a slew of All-Star Game starts.
Being in the Top 20 All-Time in Rebounds per game and Blocks per game is just numbers; All-Star Game starts are legendary.
Two MVP's and four rings? Not enough to cement a legacy without that 9th All-Star start.
Four rings.
Good catch!!Quote:
Originally Posted by duncan228
I was thinking of Finals MVP's and typed rings instead of that. Sigh.
He's got so much hardware and rings it's easy to get confused. :lolQuote:
Originally Posted by FromWayDowntown
I couldn't give two shits how many all-star games karl malone made.
I'd rather Tim miss the ASG because the coaches pick Amare over him. That way, a big chunk of the media coverage will be over what a travesty it was that one of the greatest players of all time got snubbed in favor of a guy who's never won anything. Given the world-famous mental toughness that Mike D'Antoni instills in his players, and Amare's tremendous intelligence, poise, and maturity, I'm sure he would respond very well to that criticism.
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Originally Posted by Jimcs50
Between the "celebrity" extravaganza and the scrub dunk contest...I can barely contain my excitement.
Let alone the actual game where all the focus is on Bryant getting his divine AS MVP...only after an entire first half of sloppy off-the-backboard tosses and no defense of course.
Wasn't Francisco Elson on the ballet last year? Elson got robbed :nope
Seriously though, even though I don't care, this is pretty stupid by the NBA. If the Spurs claim to start Duncan at power forward every single game, I don't know how the NBA can turn around and put him on the center ballot. That's amazingly weak.
:td
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Originally Posted by timvp
He was moved to center because of the number of forwards in the West on the ballot.
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Originally Posted by Extra Stout
Yeah because the media is going to focus on Duncan getting snubbed during the All Star game taking place in New Orleans.
Are you aware that usually the media is capable of covering more than one facet of a story?Quote:
Originally Posted by Armando
Never mind, I can understand how a fan of a Mike D'Antoni-coached team can develop a one-track mind.
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Originally Posted by Extra Stout
True but that will be a mere footnote compared to the coverage New Orleans will receive. You are going to hear more about the Lower 9th Ward then Duncan being listed as Center.
Yawn :sleepQuote:
Originally Posted by Extra Stout
So, the year we finally have the potential so far to have all 3 guys there?TIM of all of players? Might not make it??!?
This has to be the NBA's doing since Duncan will have to go to the game anyway. Don't think the Spurs or Duncan would request this.
It means we all have to do our part to make sure Tim IS there! Vote every day and every time you attend a game.
For every you and me, there are 100,000 Yao Ming fans.Quote:
Originally Posted by Crookshanks
Define him how? By the kids?Quote:
Originally Posted by Jimcs50
Every generation is different. I look back at my time growing up, I see Hakeem, DRob, Ewing, Jordan, Pippen, Barkley, Shaq, and Malone. Now it's TMac, Bron, Wade, Bosh, Kobe, Nash, Duncan, Garnett, Dirk... I'm told of the 80s when I was too young, Magic, Kareem, Bird, McHale, so on and so forth...
When we look back we see championships, accomplishments... out of all those names here recently I can only read 3 that stand with or above Duncan. So don't you assume future generations will look back and see the same for TD? We talk about how good Hakeem was, or Shaq and crap. The next generations will say Duncan ... Kobe... then the underneath.
Basically to me though I don't see why a smart NBA fan would care what kids would assume or think of past players, speaking of the future anyways. They will be too choked up on who's now like it always is.
It was posted earlier that Yao did really well with the paper ballots - so why does he have more fans in the arenas than Timmy? Yao is pretty good - but he's not great like Timmy. And that's not just my opinion since Timmy has been called the greatest POWER FORWARD to ever play the game.Quote:
Originally Posted by timvp
BTW - since it's the media guys who say Tim's the greatest Power Forward ever - why in the world was he put on the ballot as a center?
http://realgm.com/src_beyondthearc/102/20071114/changing_of_the_(forward)/
Changing Of The (Forward)
Authored by Andrew Perna
The NBA 2008 All-Star ballots were released on Wednesday, and for the first time since the mid-nineties there will be some drastic change on the Western front.
The Western Conference has been represented by two forwards every year since 1998 (there was no game played in the strike year of ’99). This year neither of those men will be in the starting lineup for the West, with one on the East Coast and another strangely listed among the conference’s centers.
Kevin Garnett has made ten consecutive all-star appearances as a forward for the Western Conference, with eight of those coming as a starter (voted in by the fans). This season he’ll undoubtedly make his eleventh-straight appearance, but this time he’ll be representing the Boston Celtics and the Eastern squad.
He also seems like a lock to hold down one of the conference’s starting slots, pushing either Toronto’s Chris Bosh or Indiana’s Jermaine O’Neal out of the picture. In the process, he’s also opened up a space for the likes of Dirk Nowitzki, Shawn Marion, Carmelo Anthony or Carlos Boozer. Throughout their careers each of those Western forwards has played second-fiddle to Garnett. Thanks to a mid-summer blockbuster, two of those MVP-caliber players will advance into the conference’s all-star starting lineup.
You might ask – why won’t Tim Duncan be holding down one of the West’s starting positions come February? Simple administrative error, if you ask me. You see Duncan, who represented the West as a starting center last season as an injury replacement from Yao Ming, has been placed on this year’s ballot as a center.
That’s like being sent to purgatory for an eternity for an NBA center. Yao Ming’s huge Chinese fan base will never allow Yao not to start for the Western squad. He simply accumulates too many votes, too quickly, for any player to overcome. Duncan will go down as one of the best, if not the best, power forwards in the history of the game, but he won’t start for this year’s all-star team listed as a ‘center.’
It truly signals the changing of the guard, or shall I say forward, in the Western Conference. For the first time during his Hall of Fame career Garnett will suit up for the East, and for just the second time during his ten-year career Duncan will start the all-star game on the bench.
Now let’s imagine the Lakers finally pull the plug on Kobe Bryant before this season’s trade deadline and send him east of the Mississippi. Bryant has been one of the two starting guards for the Western Conference for eight-straight seasons – 2008 would mark the ninth.
Traditionalists, who can be adverse to change, might spontaneously combust. We may see three first-time starters on this year’s Western Conference all-star squad. That’s something we haven’t seen since Michael Jordan was putting the finishing touches on the Chicago Bulls ’ second three-peat.
........
although it would seem like an insult to all the Spurs fans, all will be well.
ASG's don't matter if your team don't win the Finals.
Tim could use the rest. ASG's drain you. not only the game itself, but the schedules, the interviews, the media, the advertisements, tapings, etc. there's a lot of things to do when you go to an ASG.
it would be an honor if all 3 go. but i'd rather that they rest. Tony could use the time to rest. Manu could use it (after all, he still has the Olympics afterwards). Let everybody else drain their stars.
ASG is a fucking beauty contest, bread and circuses, for fans, a way for NBA to raise big money with advertising.
If only the coaches and players voted, ASG starters/rosters would be meaningful.
Yao is represented by an entire country. China is basically a huge Houston Rockets fanbase. Not only is Duncan represented by a country with 1/5th the Population of China, he is only backed by a -single- city in that country. It's San Antonio and a few stragglers vs. every sports fan in China. Even a lot of people who aren't sports fans in China still cheer and vote for Yao because he represents their country and their success in the NBA.Quote:
Originally Posted by Crookshanks
Flood the NBA office with emails on this - mine was sent. Absurd. He starts as a PF, that is what he is.
Closing the barn door after the horses have run out. All the e-mails in the world won't change this; they only prove that you're aware of the voting, which is really all the league cares about.Quote:
Originally Posted by Rummpd
This whole thing is much ado about nothing.
I already sent mine this morning! I told them All Star voting was a joke and this ballot just proves it!Quote:
Originally Posted by Rummpd
This is what I was referring to in my earlier post - why does Yao get more votes by the fans in the arenas than Timmy does?Quote:
As to Yao, people have a misconception about his balloting. He gets voted in by the NBA fans who vote in the arenas-- not the online ballots.
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Originally Posted by timvp
maybe only 2 of them have internet access...
You ought to have figured this out. This isn't a stupid move by the NBA at all. It's actually a hell of a marketing ploy. They need to advertise all the new young players coming up but they can't do that with a 10 year veteran like TD who is still considered a lock at the PF position by most experts and fans.Quote:
Originally Posted by timvp
By changing his position they do two things:
1. Yao will probably get the nod as starting center if he continues to play as well as he has. Since Tim doesn't regularly play center he won't get the nod.
2. The power forward position now opens up and presents a hell of a fight for the spot among the newbies. This will mean great publicity and marketing that they wouldn't get if dull old Tim was in the balloting for PF.
Obviously the NBA thinks it time for a changing of the guard.
Ok.Quote:
Originally Posted by wildbill2u
:lmao @ "probably"Quote:
Originally Posted by wildbill2u
Power forward? The ballot lumps together small forwards and power forwards. It's probably going to be Carmelo and either Marion, Durant or *gulp* Battier.Quote:
Originally Posted by wildbill2u
I wonder how close Yi Jianlian is going to be to starting in the East.
:lol didnt battier have almost as many votes as dirk last year?
:lmao :lmao
Dirk Nowitzki (Dal) 1,276,304; Shane Battier (Hou) 1,025,643; Shawn Marion (Pho) 551,173; Lamar Odom (LAL) 438,824; Josh Howard (Dal) 412,102; Pau Gasol (Mem) 364,459; Carlos Boozer (Utah) 359,882.
Could easily happen. The Chinese are the most zenophobic people on earth. If they flood the voting for Li, the NBA will have to take a deep breath say nothing derogatory.Quote:
Originally Posted by timvp
Stern and the owners are licking their lips over the world market and especially China and the boundless possiblities they see for additional revenue from that market as the Chinese yuppies start spending all those dollars they have been accumulating.
So putting Tim Duncan in the center position on the ballot opens the door for a fresh face such as Dirk Nowitzki or Shane Battier.Quote:
Originally Posted by jman3000
Props to the NBA for the foresight. :rollin
Why is Antoine Walker a guard?
Why isn't Devin Harris on there while Michael Finley is?
How in the world did Scola make it while Yi didn't?
The West's forward position looks weaker than ever.
He is not in the ballot. It will be much harder then.Quote:
Originally Posted by timvp
:lmao That's a good question.Quote:
Originally Posted by mffl89
Another good question.Quote:
Originally Posted by mffl89
Well, at least Yi wasn't put on the ballet. The NBA can avoid dealing with that issue for another year.Quote:
Originally Posted by mffl89
It's going to be Carmelo and either Dirk, Durant or Battier.Quote:
Originally Posted by mffl89
hahaha ya know what this means!!
Yao > Duncan!!
Duncan has been a center his entire career, doesn't matter what the roster spot says.
That was smart by the NBA. If you look at last year's results, Shane Battier would have started at forward in the Eastern Conference over Chris Bosh :lolQuote:
Originally Posted by kolko
Now that I see that, there's no doubt that Yi would have been voted as the starter in the Eastern Conference. If Battier got the Chinese vote, imagine the amount of Chinese votes Yi would get.
Actually position titles mean nothing in actual play. You put your best 5 guys on the court and that's about it. Pop plays a double post type game. He did it with Duncan D-Rob and now it's Duncan-Elson or Duncan-Oberto.
I am a Rockets homer and sorry Shane Battier sucks
what? that fella they called the BEST POWER FORWARD of all-time is an all-star center?Quote:
Originally Posted by ICE3000
they know 1b people are going to vote for Yao. Is there a plan to finally assign Tim Duncan to the bench?
funny :p:
if it's true then I'm going to vote 100X a day :lmao