Substitute stars take center stage for Spurs, Mavs

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Avery needs to grow up and be his own man, it is getting embarrassing. It's been reported that Avery has recently been seen drinking wine and trying to find a plastic surgeon that will give him fake acne scars...

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:lol

I would like to respectfully submit the observation that several of you people are Blind Homers.

http://www.sculpturegallery.com/italy_2/homer1.jpg

There is not a coach in America or in the universe who wouldn't love to have a successful, proven model to point to as a way of getting around managing bench depth and the egos involved.

There is not a coach in America or in the universe who hasn't copied something from some other coach. Pop's playbook is thick and full of other coaches' creations.

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Originally Posted by DubMcDub

Jesus christ you guys are pathetic. Avery copying Pop? I'm sure Pop was the first NBA coach ever to bring a top 3 player off the bench :lol.

Say, do you suppose maybe Pop might have derived some of his tactics from his peers? I mean, I know it's clearly a patentable offense to have a solid low post threat who draws double team and kicks it out to open shooters and all.

You guys should contact the Library of Congress ASAP.

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Tell that to the sports writers that see the resemblance. Do not purposely blind yourself.

It is no secret that the Cavs try to pattern themselves with the Spurs. Mavs take it to another level. They're copying it. :lol

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Originally Posted by Solid D

I would like to respectfully submit the observation that several of you people are Blind Homers.

http://www.sculpturegallery.com/italy_2/homer1.jpg

There is not a coach in America or in the universe who wouldn't love to have a successful, proven model to point to as a way of getting around managing bench depth and the egos involved.

There is not a coach in America or in the universe who hasn't copied something from some other coach. Pop's playbook is thick and full of other coaches' creations.

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Again, it is clearly an entirely different beast to exactly copy, word for word, and move for move, your former coach and friend to the point that national, and even DFW hometown area newspapers are writing long columns about it.

The most recent story cited was from the Ft. Worth Star Telegram -hardly Spurs homers.

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9. MODEL YOURSELF ON OTHER ACHIEVERS.

To gain improvements quickly and step up to a new level of achievement, Robbins believes learning from others who are the best in their field is the fastest way to achieve success.

He told the story of how he wanted to improve his tennis game and so employed Andre Agassi, the then number one ranked player to help him achieve this.

Who could you model yourself on?

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Modeling is a characteristic that helps successful people become just that - successful. No shame in that. Very few successful people in any endeavor of life ever had an original thought. That tenet is at the core of what someone who doesn't know how to become successful become successful.

Him copying Pop in itself doesn't irk me. Now he has been guilty of being an ass in the past but there's no crime in imitating Pop and the Spur's system.

Modelling successful behavior from a variety of sources over a period of time is acceptable.

Directly, exactly, copying, primarily from a single source, soon after the source does it, and not giving credit to that source is not acceptable.

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Originally Posted by Demo Dick Marcinko

Modeling is a characteristic that helps successful people become just that - successful. No shame in that. Very few successful people in any endeavor of life ever had an original thought. That tenet is at the core of what someone who doesn't know how to become successful become successful.

Him copying Pop in itself doesn't irk me. Now he has been guilty of being an ass in the past but there's no crime in imitating Pop and the Spur's system.

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Well said.

Also, most teams draft, try to get certain free agents each offseason with matching up better with a certain team (type of team) in mind. It's always the team that they know is better than they are.

What's scary is Avery is copying some of the Spurs' moves, and his team is better than the Spurs in terms of depth and former All-Stars.

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Originally Posted by zepn

Modelling successful behavior from a variety of sources over a period of time is acceptable.

Directly, exactly, copying, primarily from a single source, soon after the source does it, and not giving credit to that source is not acceptable.

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Regardless of what is written about the comparisons between the AJ version of the Mavs and the Spurs, the Mavs are not direct copies of the Spurs system. Yes, there are similarities but there are also differences. You can see it with your own eyes, it's obvious. The defenses the Mavs run are not all the same defenses that the Spurs run. Offensively, the Mavs tend to run the screen/rolls and isos more like Don Nelson does, specifically looking to exploit the mismatches almost exclusively. Pop varies things a bit more. These teams don't look the same on the court because they are different. Nowitzki is a totally different player than Tim Duncan and the two teams are geared to take advantage of their individual styles.

With that said, what's with the "be a man and be different" take? That's whack. There is nothing wrong with taking a philosophy that works, implementing it with adaptations for your own individual strengths in any arena, in sports...in business...or in your own time management and life.

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Originally Posted by zepn

Modelling successful behavior from a variety of sources over a period of time is acceptable.

Directly, exactly, copying, primarily from a single source, soon after the source does it, and not giving credit to that source is not acceptable.

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:lol :lol :lol Jesus, maybe you should stop crying.

"Not Acceptable"? Someone alert the FBI. They'll want to know about this blatant plagiarism ASAP.

Clearly you either are unemployed or work at a McDonalds, because any professional, white-collar worker in their right mind knows that the key to success is to apply the principles you've learned from the successful people around you. Sometimes, that might even be just one person who has heavily influenced your philosophy within your profession.

Actually, I'll take back what I said. Maybe you are a professional--but if you are, and you follow your own crybaby mantra, then you're probably not a very good one.

Avery is still "grasshopper".

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Originally Posted by Solid D

I would like to respectfully submit the observation that several of you people are Blind Homers.

http://www.sculpturegallery.com/italy_2/homer1.jpg

There is not a coach in America or in the universe who wouldn't love to have a successful, proven model to point to as a way of getting around managing bench depth and the egos involved.

There is not a coach in America or in the universe who hasn't copied something from some other coach. Pop's playbook is thick and full of other coaches' creations.

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Exactly.

A lot of the Spurs offense still used today was put in by AJ in 1999. When the Spurs started bad, AJ convinced Pop to change their offense. A lot of what AJ put in is still being run today.

Pop's innovations have been in terms of limiting playing time for his star players. I don't know of any playcalling innovations Pop has made. Every play the Spurs run both offensively and defensively have roots elsewhere.

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Originally Posted by timvp

Exactly.

A lot of the Spurs offense still used today was put in by AJ in 1999. When the Spurs started bad, AJ convinced Pop to change their offense. A lot of what AJ put in is still being run today.

Pop's innovations have been in terms of limiting playing time for his star players. I don't know of any playcalling innovations Pop has made. Every play the Spurs run both offensively and defensively have roots elsewhere.

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It's good to see a Spurs fan secure enough in his team and their multitude of championships that he doesn't reek of insecurity regarding a lesser Mavs team. Props to you.

I did not say EVERY part of the Mavs was eactly like EVERY part of the Spurs. That's just stupid. Also, I said Avery should be HIS OWN man, instead of playing follow the leader. Just like every man should be his own man.

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Originally Posted by DubMcDub

:lol :lol :lol Jesus, maybe you should stop crying.

"Not Acceptable"? Someone alert the FBI. They'll want to know about this blatant plagiarism ASAP.

Clearly you either are unemployed or work at a McDonalds, because any professional, white-collar worker in their right mind knows that the key to success is to apply the principles you've learned from the successful people around you. Sometimes, that might even be just one person who has heavily influenced your philosophy within your profession.

Actually, I'll take back what I said. Maybe you are a professional--but if you are, and you follow your own crybaby mantra, then you're probably not a very good one.

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So, you finally found the time to stop felating your dog, and then you come in here just to drop weak McJob smack?

Look, I'm not making this shit up. It was reported by the Star Telegram, amongst many others. I gave you the link - look it up - do your own work.

And I don't give a flying fucking shit who or what you think I am, but I will repeat my contention that there is a LIMIT to how much you can borrow/steal from someone else before it becomes immoral to even your OWN sensibilities, if not the law.

Obviously your lower limit of just where borrowing becomes stealing is lower than mine (and even worse -lower than the media). I'm just glad someone with your low moral character lives in the Dallas area and not in my neighborhood, so at least OUR dogs are safe...

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Originally Posted by zepn

I did not say EVERY part of the Mavs was eactly like EVERY part of the Spurs. That's just stupid. Also, I said Avery should be HIS OWN man, instead of playing follow the leader. Just like every man should be his own man.

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People should be allowed to read your sentences and determine what you are saying without you coming back and fine tuning what you said to the nth detail. You said what you said using words like "Directly, exactly, copying". You said AJ should "grow up". Boys grow up to become what? Men.

Be a man, own up to what you were saying and if you didn't say it well, own up and apologize for not saying it clearly enough for people to understand. Now I'm going to wonder what word you are going to be clarifying in your next post...

You should be able to understand the English language and apply at least a little bit of thought/logic. I'm not going to sit here and babysit your mental deficiencies.

I said, verbatim: "Avery needs to grow up and be his own man". Which is a complete thought, and yet all you came away with was "grow up". Astounding.

I guess I could spoon-feed the rest to you too, but why? The other sentence you had a problem understanding had a total of six conditions, and you were lost after three...

Ok, short-bus version: Avery copy Pop = bad.

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Originally Posted by zepn

It's no secret that they match-up well against the Spurs since they have copied every aspect of the Spurs and continue to do so

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Originally Posted by zepn

I suppose it IS smart to copy the best franchise in sport

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Originally Posted by zepn

it is clearly an entirely different beast to exactly copy, word for word, and move for move, your former coach and friend to the point that national, and even hometown area newspapers are writing long columns about it.

Try to copy some of those books in the Library of Congress as closely and we'll be writing to you in jail.

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Originally Posted by zepn

Again, it is clearly an entirely different beast to exactly copy, word for word, and move for move, your former coach and friend

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Originally Posted by zepn

It's no secret that they match-up well against the Spurs since they have copied every aspect of the Spurs and continue to do so

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Originally Posted by zepn

I did not say EVERY part of the Mavs was eactly like EVERY part of the Spurs. That's just stupid.

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Are you really that fucking stupid?

Or do you think the rest of the Spurstalk readers are that stupid also?

To think that I REALLY MEANT that EVERY part of the Mavs was EXACTLY like EVERY part of the Spurs?

Or could it be that I meant AJ copied just about everything he was ABLE to copy from the Spurs? Ya think? Try to use a little common sense once in a while.

I forgot I was talking to Mr. Short-bus there for a minute...let me try to explain it to you...again...

I did not mean that Avery has the Mavs wearing the same underwear as the Spurs.
I did not mean that Avery has the Mavs eating the same food as the Spurs.
I did not mean that Avery has the Mavs listening to the same music as the Spurs.

And I will repeat, if you ACTUALLY think that I meant that then you are just fucking stupid.

Now, back to the post at hand before I had to slap you around when you thought you were being "clever"...

You should be able to understand the English language and apply at least a little bit of thought/logic. I'm not going to sit here and babysit your mental deficiencies.

I said, verbatim: "Avery needs to grow up and be his own man". Which is a complete thought, and yet all you came away with was "grow up". Astounding.

I guess I could spoon-feed the rest to you too, but why? The other sentence you had a problem understanding had a total of six conditions, and you were lost after three...

Ok, short-bus version: Avery copy Pop = bad.

I posted your quotes with no comments needed from me, and yet you argue back at your own posts. :lol

Yeah, because the rest of us can't quite figure out what you were attempting to do, right? Because "I" cherry picked those comments, and "I" took them out of context, and "I" lined them up in that order...Sorry, we aren't buying it.

Have you always thought the other readers of Spurstalk are such morons that you can pass that weak bullshit off on them? That's pretty damn arrogant.

What do you want a reward for being a semantic genius? For being so fucking literal that you think the rest of us should too? Well, here's your award:

CONGRATULATIONS: YOU ARE A FUCKING LITERAL SEMANTIC GENIUS

which means you are a complete waste of time. You are not being "clever", and unfortunately you are not advancing the understanding or enjoyment of basketball, you are just wasting everybody's time - literally.

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Originally Posted by Solid D

no comments needed from me

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Well, let's see if you have the intelligence or cajones to comment now...

You should be able to understand the English language and apply at least a little bit of thought/logic. I'm not going to sit here and babysit your mental deficiencies.

I said, verbatim: "Avery needs to grow up and be his own man". Which is a complete thought, and yet all you came away with was "grow up". Astounding.

I guess I could spoon-feed the rest to you too, but why? The other sentence you had a problem understanding had a total of six conditions, and you were lost after three...

Ok, short-bus version: Avery copy Pop = bad.

:lmao @ sepn telling Solid to use common sense

What's with all this copying crap? Pop uses plays from the Argentina national team, doesn't he? If Avery wants to use some of Pop's ideas/tactics I don't see the big deal.