Game Thoughts: Spurs @ Mavs - Nov. 15

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Originally Posted by whottt

Did you notice Parker taking an elbow to the throat....

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Did you notice Parker just run into Howard with his eyes closed, hack the shit out of him for a steal, and get no call?

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Originally Posted by whottt

I've got no problem if they don't call fouls...as long as they call it the same way for both teams. They let the Mavs hack and blew the whistle on the Spurs.

Mavs are not a better defensive team than the Spurs, not now, not ever....the fact that the Spurs all of a sudden become a bunch of foul prone douche bags and the Mavs turn into the Spurs defensively....is definitely ref induced.

Just call it the same way for both teams...

Spurs were getting kicked in the balls and elbowed in the throat, hacked on the dribble...not a whistle was blown....if the Spurs even looked crossways at the Mavs it was a foul.

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I don't complain about calls much at all, especially in a game that was evenly officiated. There were bad and missed calls both ways. I saw plenty of travels that could have been called on each of the big 3, and several ridiculous hacks and blocking fouls that were not called. And I'm not sure where you got the idea that I ever thought that the Mavs are as good, or better defensively than the Spurs, but okay...

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Originally Posted by whottt

Fans of teams run by Mark Cuban...the biggest ref whiner in NBA history..do not have jack shit room to ever call out anyone else bitching about bad calls.

Your owner(no not Don Nelson) has devoted his entire tenure as owner to doing just that.

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Fans of the team of Tim Duncan, have no room to call anyone out for bad calls, as he is the whiniest player in NBA history.

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Originally Posted by whottt

That makes you...a huge douche for even thinking you can call out anyone else for complaining.


Don't sit here and think you can be some kind of macho fan who never bitches about calls and can look down on those who do...if you were that kind of fan...you wouldn't be a Mav fan in the first place.


FO.

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You likewise are a huge douche for thinking you can call out anyone else for complaining. And if you weren't whining like an oversensitive little bitch like you are now, then you wouldn't be a Spur fan. Blow yourself, faggot.

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Originally Posted by telecomguy

VERY VERY good post. I also believe that Elson should be on Dirk all the time. He is quick enough. He just has to become more active with his hands (like Bowen ScissorsHand) and he can harass Dirk.

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Dirk could stop, defecate in Elson's mouth, and get back up to make a shot before Elson could even begin the thought process of what he needs to do to defend Dirk. Elson sucks balls.

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Originally Posted by MaNuMaNiAc

yeah, like what happened with the Cavs right? because everyone knows they beat us during regular season and that meant trouble for the Spurs...

I don't understand where the Mav fans get they own the Spurs during the playoffs. The Mavs were one idiotic foul from being eliminated! You didn't own that series, you survived it. Well deserved, but don't come here acting as if you have the Spurs playoff number because thats bullshit

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First of all the Cavs havent beaten the Spurs 5 of the last 6 regular season.
Second, the Cavs did not beat you in a playoff series.

Look i tried to tell people here in Dallas that we did not want to draw Golden St. in the First round because of 2 years worth of history agaisnt them. Everyone kept on say, "just wait till the Playoffs" well I did and we got our Ass kicked.

So it's not only about beating the Spurs in the regular season and 1 playoff series, it is about the Matchups. The Mavs are the toughest Matchup for the Spurs in the League. Period.

Do you think any Spurs fan is worried about the Suns....Hell no, because they know you have beaten their Ass for 2 years. The Suns know they don't want to face you guys. Period. Their Matchups are horrible.

I like the Spurs. They are my 2nd favorite team. When the Mavs get eliminated i always cheer for them. So i follow them closely so i am not some idiot fan who only looks at the score. I have had Mavs season tickets for 7 years. I have seen every Mavs Spurs game here in Dallas in Person for 7 years plus several in San Antonio as well. I did not want to admit that our 2002 team needed changing after you guys eliminated us. But it was true.
So i don't care if you believe what i am saying or not.

But the Spurs do not want to play the Mavs in the Playoffs if they don't have to.

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Originally Posted by stretch

You really don't want Dirk to torch you for 50, because the better Dirk plays, the better the entire team plays. His scoring isn't like Kobe's. Dirk takes smart shots that are still in the flow of the offense. He doesnt take 40 shots and hit only 15 of them to have a 40 or 50 point game like Kobe does. When Dirk hits for 50, he is usualy scoring at an incredibly high percentage, while still keeping his teammates involved, especially due to increased attention focused on him by defenses.

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If Dork is going off and scoring the majority of the points then how exactly is the rest of the team going to play better offensively if the Spurs are staying home on the shooters like Terry and Stackhouse? Like I said before, Terry and Stackhouse didn't even have to work for their points yesterday. It was catch and shoot all night because of stupid double-teaming forcing the Spurs to scramble around like idiots.

The no double-teaming strategy is how the Spurs beat the Suns in '05. Amare and Nash were played straight up and they got their numbers but ultimately their roleplayers weren't factors. They need to try the same strategy on the Mavs and stop giving Dirk so much respect.

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Originally Posted by hitmanyr2k

If Dork is going off and scoring the majority of the points then how exactly is the rest of the team going to play better offensively if the Spurs are staying home on the shooters like Terry and Stackhouse? Like I said before, Terry and Stackhouse didn't even have to work for their points yesterday. It was catch and shoot all night because of stupid double-teaming forcing the Spurs to scramble around like idiots.

The no double-teaming strategy is how the Spurs beat the Suns in '05. Amare and Nash were played straight up and they got their numbers but ultimately their roleplayers weren't factors. They need to try the same strategy on the Mavs and stop giving Dirk so much respect.

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I don't think it's a "quick fix," but they need to try this at least once before the playoffs. I'm not nearly as sure that it would work for the best, but it's the one thing Pop hasn't done yet. If the Spurs are willing to concede a loss like last night, they should take the risk of Dirk torching them, which could very well happen.

As we've seen, trying something new in the postseason for the first time didn't work so hot against the Mavericks.

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Originally Posted by stretch

Did you notice Parker just run into Howard with his eyes closed, hack the shit out of him for a steal, and get no call?

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Not the same as getting hit in the throat and kicked in the balls. If you had any balls you'd understand that.

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I don't complain about calls much at all,

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but you damn sure complain about others doing it...while Mark Cuban owns your team. That makes you a fucking joke.

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especially in a game that was evenly officiated. There were bad and missed calls both ways. I saw plenty of travels that could have been called on each of the big 3, and several ridiculous hacks and blocking fouls that were not called. And I'm not sure where you got the idea that I ever thought that the Mavs are as good, or better defensively than the Spurs, but okay...



Fans of the team of Tim Duncan, have no room to call anyone out for bad calls, as he is the whiniest player in NBA history.

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My my poor dumb MavFan...if you weren't a bandwagoner and had actually followed basketball prior to the "golden age" of Mavs basketball...


You'd know that Cuban is the undisputed King of whining...

He pioneered new ways of Ref whining to the joy of stupid Mav fan...it's really funny. Too bad you are a newbie to basketball, you'd save youself some embarrasment if you weren't...


You'd also realize what a fucking joke you are for attempting to call out anyone about anything concering the officiating.


There is no bigger ref whiner in the history of any sport anywhere...than Mark Cuban.


Anyone can whine about the officiating and not be called out by you, without you making a complete ass of yourself.


Never call anyone out about any officiating in any sport anywhere...that's the only way you can avoid being percived as stupid.


No one, anywhere, about anything, concering officiating. You forfeit the rigth to do that with any credibility the second you choose to root for the Mavs.

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You likewise are a huge douche for thinking you can call out anyone else for complaining. And if you weren't whining like an oversensitive little bitch like you are now, then you wouldn't be a Spur fan. Blow yourself, faggot.

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And you are just big ole smelly fart #2. Clueless...and stupid.

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Originally Posted by whottt

Worthless minutes...because that series was lopsided as hell, within the course of a game...the sooner you realize not all minutes are equal, the sooner you'll stop jocking moves and players that won't win us a title.

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The Dallas series was "lopsided as hell"? Did you watch any of those games? Only the second game was lopsided.

Barry played in a lot of the close fourth quarters and overtimes. In his 38 minute game, a good number of those minutes came in the fourth and overtime.

By whottt it's-Barry-so-I-become-crazy logic, the fourth quarter and overtime of Game 4 of the 2006 WCSF are worthless minutes that don't count because they weren't important. But November 5th in a game that the Spurs never trailed by less than 10 with Barry in the game, Barry played his first meaningful minutes against the Mavs of his Spurs career.

That's just ..... amazing.

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To my mind, Finley should be replaced by Udoka in the starting line up. Udoka doesn't yet know the system, but now is the time to give him minutes to learn it. Finley just looks lousy on both ends.

Against the Mavs, the Spurs need more scoring. In the playoffs, I'd rather see Darius Washington than Vaughn. Washington needs more minutes so that he can be up to par in post season.

Finally, I wonder if the Spurs would consider offering the Cavs (who are now without a completely unproductive Larry Hughes) Barry and a 2nd round pick in a sign and trade for Sideshow Bob at the MLE for the remainder of the season. Varejao could defend Nowitski and provide rebounding, energy, high screens and defense. With Udoka in the fold, we could get along without Barry and would add a piece that could be invaluable in the Spring. Another player to consider is Trevor Ariza. Ariza is not playing in Orlando and has the length, vertical hops and athleticism to agitate Nowitski or slow down Jason Terry. Ariza also has an expiring deal so if it doesn't work out it doesn't cause long term problems. I'd be willing to give up a late first round pick for Ariza. He's as good as anyone we would draft at 28 anyway.

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Originally Posted by halfmavfangoajgovp

The Dallas series was "lopsided as hell"? Did you watch any of those games? Only the second game was lopsided.

Barry played in a lot of the close fourth quarters and overtimes. In his 38 minute game, a good number of those minutes came in the fourth and overtime.

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False.

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By whottt it's-Barry-so-I-become-crazy logic, the fourth quarter and overtime of Game 4 of the 2006 WCSF are worthless minutes that don't count because they weren't important. But November 5th in a game that the Spurs never trailed by less than 10 with Barry in the game, Barry played his first meaningful minutes against the Mavs of his Spurs career.

That's just ..... amazing.

:dizzy

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What's amazing is how wrong you are when it comes to Barry...the Spurs most certainly did trail by more than 10 points with Barry in the game...and more importantly, Barry was the guy that got them to within 10...and most amazingly...Pop left him in. He hadn't done that since the 2005 regular season.

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Originally Posted by hitmanyr2k

If Dork is going off and scoring the majority of the points then how exactly is the rest of the team going to play better offensively if the Spurs are staying home on the shooters like Terry and Stackhouse? Like I said before, Terry and Stackhouse didn't even have to work for their points yesterday. It was catch and shoot all night because of stupid double-teaming forcing the Spurs to scramble around like idiots.

The no double-teaming strategy is how the Spurs beat the Suns in '05. Amare and Nash were played straight up and they got their numbers but ultimately their roleplayers weren't factors. They need to try the same strategy on the Mavs and stop giving Dirk so much respect.

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The Spurs didn't double team Dirk all that often in the '06 playoffs. They're trying it now because GS exposed it as a weakness of the Mavs (just like literally every single team the Mavs have played this year is trying it).

Soon, there will come a point where neither doubling Dirk nor leaving him in single coverage will be a superior choice, because he's improving exponentially as a passer. It's just like Duncan--you can double him and deny him the shot, but that doesn't make him any less effective as a basketball player. It just makes him score less points.

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Originally Posted by whottt

What's amazing is how wrong you are when it comes to Barry...the Spurs most certainly did trail by more than 10 points with Barry in the game...and more importantly, Barry was the guy that got them to within 10...and most amazingly...Pop left him in. He hadn't done that since the 2005 regular season.

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Garbage minutes in a November blowout > 38 minutes in Game 4 of the WCSF

Got it. :tu

Maybe now you can go on a rant explaining how Barry played point guard last night so that's why his shot was going in. Come on, make up that PG BS like you usually do when Barry plays well.

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Originally Posted by whottt

:cry :cry :cry :cry :cry :cry :cry

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Originally Posted by Sourgrapettt

if you weren't a bandwagoner and had actually followed basketball prior to the "golden age" of Mavs basketball...

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I see your Larry Kenon and raise you one Jay Vincent, cuntmuffin.

And a fart fart here and a fart fart there, here a fart, there a fart, every where a Mavfan...

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Originally Posted by 41times

My 10 thoughts after attending last nights game:

1. It's all about the Matchups. The Mavs were constructed in part to beat the Spurs. 2 years ago they reached their goal and they continue to do so still.

2. Speed Kills. Harris has too much speed for Tony Parker. If Harris shot is falling and he continues to dish off well in the lane then Parker is in trouble.

3. Josh Howard has developed his all around game and the Spurs don't have an answer for him.

4. Dirk has learned that when teams run a 2nd defender at him to pass the ball quickly. Then the next pass is the killer because it will likely be to an open player like Jet or Stack. If they are on then it's tough to stop.

5. Ginobli is a terrific all around player. Dallas had no real answer for him. If not for him the Spurs would have lost by 25. He or Terry will win 6th man.

6. The Spurs fans that surrounded me at the game last night were great. They wore their Spurs Jersey's and cheered hard. They did not curse, they did not act a fool. And in the end they accepted defeat without excuses. They were good fans adn i respect that!

7. The Spurs can no longer ignore the fact that the Mavs have their number. Some will say Regular Season don't mean crap. Well you are wrong. 5 out of the last 6 regular season games have been won by the Mavs plus 1 playoff series. The Spurs will learn just as the Mavs did with Golden St. If you lose to them 75% of the time in the regular season, chances are you are not going to beat them in the Post Season. We lost 5 of six to GSW and the Spurs have lost 5 of the last 6 regular season games now. It is more than just a "fluke" it is a viable trend.

8. You guys should probably play Barry more and Finley less. Fin sucked his last 2 years in Dallas and he sux more now.

9. Pop vs. Avery is one hell of a chess match.

10. The Spurs don't want to see the Mavs in the Post season just as the Mavs don't want to see Golden St. But as a Fan, the Mavs vs. Spurs is by far the best rivalry and best game the NBA has to offer. I hope the 2 teams can play for the WCF's. It's a shame they can't play against each other in the Finals.

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Good thoughts from a Mav Fan's perspective... I may not agree with it all but most of it made sense.

I would remind you that the string of regular season victories the Mavs have against the Spurs also neglects the fact that:

Ginobili didn't play in the second half of a matchup in San Antonio (when he hurt his back diving for a ball) - the Mavs took advantage of his absence and won the game.

The other was the infamous Joey Crawford game.... 'nough said.

So the string is not as dominant as recent history would suggest.

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Originally Posted by timvp

Garbage minutes in a November blowout > 38 minutes in Game 4 of the WCSF

Got it. :tu

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It wasn't a blowout when Barry was in the game.

And of course I am not claiming this game was more meaningful than a playoff game...I'm saying the situation in which Barry was allowed to play was a more meaningful situation within the game.


Notice...Barry didn't get many minutes last night overall...what'd he play? 14 minutes?

But the situation in which he was allowed to remain in the game was different...and you saw his impact.


And you see me giving Pop credit for it...all minutes are not the same.

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Maybe now you can go on a rant explaining how Barry played point guard last night so that's why his shot was going in. Come on, make up that PG BS like you usually do when Barry plays well.

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Actually he was getting to initiate stuff...he wasn't just standing there waiting for the open 3...and even when he was, he was doing it on Duncan's side....and the Mavs don't like that...whether Barry's shot is falling, or not.

Meanwhile...I expect you are going to be busy trying to come up with excuses for Bonner's continuted butt clencing the second the game has any kind of intensity...and now he's added pouting, avoiding getting fouled at the hoop in one on one breakaway situations, and needing Pop to hold his hand in mid game, to his repetoirse of soft bitch manuevers...so I'll be classy enough to give you time to come up with ways of spinning his obvious choking tendencies...good luck.

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Originally Posted by whottt

:cry :cry :cry :cry :cry :cry

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I wish there was an icon for having Brent Barry's cock in your mouth, that would be quite apt as well.

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Originally Posted by hitmanyr2k

If Dork is going off and scoring the majority of the points then how exactly is the rest of the team going to play better offensively if the Spurs are staying home on the shooters like Terry and Stackhouse? Like I said before, Terry and Stackhouse didn't even have to work for their points yesterday. It was catch and shoot all night because of stupid double-teaming forcing the Spurs to scramble around like idiots.

The no double-teaming strategy is how the Spurs beat the Suns in '05. Amare and Nash were played straight up and they got their numbers but ultimately their roleplayers weren't factors. They need to try the same strategy on the Mavs and stop giving Dirk so much respect.

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Because other Mavs players are capable of creating for themselves, unlike the Suns. Terry, Harris, Howard, Stackhouse are all players capable of creating their own shot.

Sequ says Tony Parker (1-11, matador defense) is the best fucking player in the NBA.

whottt says this team goes as far as Brent Barry takes them.

Maybe you guys should lay off the peyote for a few months.

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Originally Posted by Findog

Sequ says Tony Parker (1-11, matador defense) is the best fucking player in the NBA.

whottt says this team goes as far as Brent Barry takes them.

Maybe you guys should lay off the peyote for a few months.

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This team will go as far as Parker will take them, especially with Duncan being the focal point of many teams' D.

Maybe you need to read or scroll instead of dispensing advice

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Originally Posted by stretch

Because other Mavs players are capable of creating for themselves, unlike the Suns. Terry, Harris, Howard, Stackhouse are all players capable of creating their own shot.

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Don't forget: who are the Spurs going to put on Nowitzki? I think Dirk alone could make you pay in that scenario as well. He's difficult to defend one on one when he gets the ball in the elbow, unless you throw a big body on him.

Still, I wish they'd at least try it. At least I would stop bitching about Pop being stubborn...

Well, I'm glad the insecure Mav Fan SpursTalk.com clusterfuck is starting to come back. I was concerned about them after their latest postseason debacle.

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Originally Posted by whottt

Not the same as getting hit in the throat and kicked in the balls. If you had any balls you'd understand that.

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A foul is a foul, motherfucker.

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Originally Posted by whottt

but you damn sure complain about others doing it...while Mark Cuban owns your team. That makes you a fucking joke.

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And you are complaining about calls with Tim Duncan being the all-time face of your franchise. Makes you a fucking joke too.

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Originally Posted by whottt

My my poor dumb MavFan...if you weren't a bandwagoner and had actually followed basketball prior to the "golden age" of Mavs basketball...

You'd know that Cuban is the undisputed King of whining...

He pioneered new ways of Ref whining to the joy of stupid Mav fan...it's really funny. Too bad you are a newbie to basketball, you'd save youself some embarrasment if you weren't...

You'd also realize what a fucking joke you are for attempting to call out anyone about anything concering the officiating.

There is no bigger ref whiner in the history of any sport anywhere...than Mark Cuban.

Anyone can whine about the officiating and not be called out by you, without you making a complete ass of yourself.

Never call anyone out about any officiating in any sport anywhere...that's the only way you can avoid being percived as stupid.

No one, anywhere, about anything, concering officiating. You forfeit the rigth to do that with any credibility the second you choose to root for the Mavs.

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I'm not sure what Mark Cuban has to do with me. I'm a Mavs fan. I root for the team. I'm not a Mark Cuban fan. Either way, with your absolutely retarded logic, who are you to call out someone for whining when Tim Duncan, the whiniest player in the NBA, is the face of your franchise, you hypocritical piece of shit?

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Originally Posted by whottt

And you are just big ole smelly fart #2. Clueless...and stupid.

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Now you sound like Nashfan, with your stupid fart and poop jokes. Pull your head out of your ass.

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Originally Posted by Holt's Cat

This team will go as far as Parker will take them, especially with Duncan being the focal point of many teams' D.

Maybe you need to read or scroll instead of dispensing advice

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Maybe you need to learn how to take a joke instead of taking things so literally. You can take the gun out of your mouth and step back from the ledge, it was one regular season loss.

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Originally Posted by stretch

Either way, with your absolutely retarded logic

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Logic is not whottt's strong suit. Should he ever succeed Buford, look for the Spurs to lock up Barry to a max deal.

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Originally Posted by Findog

Maybe you need to learn how to take a joke instead of taking things so literally. You can take the gun out of your mouth and step back from the ledge, it was one regular season loss.

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Maybe you need to learn how to tell a good joke.

Spurs fans don't sweat regular season losses. Title virgins do.