Charley Rosen on Mavs-Spurs (plus D-Rob critique)

The guy who has made a career of writing Spurs suck-fests has a few not so nice things to say about David Robinson. I can't wait for reaction to this.

http://msn.foxsports.com/nba/story/7454094

Mavs' performance a good ego boost

Game Time: Mavericks 105, Spurs 92

In the wake of a convincing win against the defending champs, here's the Mavs' latest report card.

Pass

Dallas hit the floor running at full throttle and took full advantage of San Antonio's rather lethargic start. The Spurs started off with Fabricio Oberto guarding Dirk Nowitzki, and the MVP was just unstoppable. Along the way, Nowitzki was defended by Tim Duncan, Michael Finley, Brent Barry and Francisco Elson, but never by the Spurs defender who has historically given him the most trouble — Bruce Bowen. Obviously, Gregg Popovich wants to save this matchup for later in the season, or even for the playoffs.

The Mavs were intent on pushing the ball at every opportunity — even after the Spurs made shots. This hurry-up pace was a little quicker than the Spurs wanted, and it also nullified Bowen's ability to keep up with — and play his brutal defense against — Josh Howard.

The Mavs' ball-sniping produced six first-quarter turnovers, with every pass and dribble being contested. As a result, over the initial 12 minutes Dallas played about as well as it possibly can. The Mavs' effort created a 33-18 lead, and for all intents and purposes the game was over.

For the duration, the Mavs swung the ball from inside to outside and from side to side, always looking to make the extra pass. Only Nowitzki and Erick Dampier forced shots for Dallas.

Nowitzki, Dampier, DeSagana Diop, and Brandon Bass all took turns guarding Tim Duncan, a move that for most of the game prevented Duncan from getting comfortable — though he did manage to score a flurry of post-up points against Bass.

Later in the game, when the Spurs doubled Nowitzki on the wing, slick reversal passes located an open shooter (usually Jason Terry) on the opposite wing.

The Mavs chumped most of San Antonio's defensive switches. For example, on one possession Josh Howard easily beat Duncan on a drive that resulted in a layup-plus-one. At another juncture, Nowitzki took Tony Parker into the pivot and was immediately fouled.

Devin Harris out-quicked Parker all game long. Even better, it seemed that every one of Harris' successful pull-ups and drives served to beat a Spurs rally. (He had 12 of his 18 points in the fourth quarter.)

Fail

The Mavs' bigs had trouble sealing Oberto and Duncan off the offensive glass. In the second half, Matt Bonner's defense on Nowitzki featured a perpetual barrage of elbows, hip checks, grabbings and bangings. Consequently, Nowitzki wasn't much of a factor in the end-game — not that he needed to be.

The Mavs' second unit — usually consisting of Dampier, Jerry Stackhouse, Bass, Terry and Josh Howard — was consistently outplayed by the Spurs subs. Twice, Avery Johnson had to cut short the second unit's rotation and plug the starters back in to keep the Spurs at bay.

Nowitzki was mostly stymied when he was fronted in the low post.

Incomplete

It remains to be seen if Maurice Ager can play at this level. He started in place of the injured Eddie Jones and showed wonderful athleticism in finishing on a pair of fastbreaks. But he was lost on a weak-side screen that left Manu Ginobili wide open for a 3-ball.

In addition, Ager made good decisions when he passed the ball in half-court sets — but he committed a charge when he tried to force his way into the lane. Plus, the one jumper he attempted crashed off the backboard as though the ball weighed 10 pounds.

Dampier hasn't fully recovered from his shoulder woes, so it was understandable that his timing was off. His defense was unusually passive and he also took a crazy driving flipper that hit high off the backboard and didn't come within two feet of the rim.

It also remains to be seen if the Mavs can play with the same intensity for the rest of the season and into the playoffs. If they can, Mark Cuban might be dancing on air come June.

Beating the Spurs in such a decisive fashion was a major accomplishment and will go a long way toward rebuilding the Mavs' fractured confidence. But it's not even Thanksgiving, so their legs and their chops are still fresh.

Straight Shooting: Admiral's Legacy

Contrary to popular opinion, David Robinson was one of the most overrated players of all-time. Here's why:

Although he was a terrific shot-blocker from the weak-side, he was just an average on-the-ball defender.
He was a turnover machine.
His offense was limited to elbow jumpers and put-backs. Otherwise, he liked to take his left hand to the middle and start faking — but if his defender stayed put, then Robinson was always hard-pressed to find a decent shot.
B.D. (before Duncan), the Admiral was infamous for missing clutch free throws in the playoffs.
He played with a remarkable lack of passion, and was always reluctant to bang with the other bigs.
He never won diddly until Tim Duncan showed up in San Antonio.
But Robinson was intelligent, well-behaved, an all-around nice guy, and had nifty numbers. Good enough to fool the media, who fooled the fans.

Vox Populi

I would like to see a list of players whose greatest contributions to their team's success is not measured by primary statistics, i.e., scoring, rebounds, assists, and are consequently mostly ignored by the fans and the media.- Mike K, Winnipeg, Canada

This is my favorite kind of list! Thanks for asking.

Shane Battier — Does his job — shooting 3s, playing defense and executing the offense — with no bluster or complaints.
Raja Bell — A belligerent defender who puts some grit into the Suns' game plan.
Nick Collison — Bangs, hustles, overachieves.
Jeff Foster — Defends, makes few mistakes and is a rebounding fool.
Trenton Hassell — He's Bruce Bowen minus the spotlight.
Eduardo Najera — The ultimate tough hombre. Bad wheels have hindered his career
Fabricio Oberto — The perfect role player for the Spurs. Count on him to be in the right place at the right time.
Bo Outlaw — Plays defense, works his butt off in games and in practice, and is a terrific presence in the locker room.
Malik Rose — A warrior and a pro's pro who can still play nasty defense.
Darius Songaila — A coach's dream who's willing to do whatever off-the-ball trench work that needs to be done.
DeShawn Stevenson — Extremely talented. He plays both ends of the court but is willing to sacrifice his offense.

Travels with Charley

It was late in the 1992-93 season when I happened to be at the press table to eyeball the Nets hosting the Spurs — a thrilling game that wasn't decided until the last possession.

The Spurs were up by one and the Nets had the ball, and the game clock was down to single digits. The Nets ran a play for Drazen Petrovic (may he rest in peace), who drove hard into the middle. There to meet him at the basket was David Robinson, the NBA's reigning shot-block champion.

However, instead of making an effort to smack Petrovic's win-or-lose shot, the Admiral chose to hold his ground and try to draw a charge. Petro made a slick left-to-right adjustment as he left the floor that avoided any meaningful body contact, and calmly sank the game-winning bucket.

In the postgame locker room, several members of San Antonio's coaching staff were hopping mad at Robinson.

"The guy's as soft as butter!" fumed one suit.

"He was gonna let the refs decide the game?" barked another. "Unbelievable!"

"You know what the trouble with Robinson is?" said Suit No. 1. "He doesn't really love to play the game. I mean, he doesn't love it."

"I agree," chimed his colleague. "That's why he never works on his game during the off-season. I mean, the guy's too intelligent for his own good. He'd rather mess around with his computer than work on his post-up moves. What a waste!"

The prosecution rests.

Well when I saw who wrote this..................I didn't really bother to read a line of it.

Trade David Robinson

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Originally Posted by E20

Well when I saw who wrote this..................I didn't really bother to read a line of it.

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really? is it because you don't like his stuff or what? i figured Spurs fans would love Charley Rosen. this article is obviously not as complimentary but usually he can't wait to kiss Spur ass.

here whottty, whottty, whottty

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really? is it because you don't like his stuff or what? i figured Spurs fans would love Charley Rosen.

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He's a horrible writer.

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The guy who has made a career of writing Spurs suck-fests has a few not so nice things to say about David Robinson. I can't wait for reaction to this.

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Old news. Rosen is a longtime DRob hater.

It's understandable though because Rosen is a Phil Jackson lover and Robinson ended his reign. Rosen is just a scorned Laker homer.

How you knock a guy with two rings and a bunch of statistical records blows my mind.

He gets paid to write stuff...


He obviously has nothing to say if this is the stuff he comes up with.

The Admiral was not overrated.

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He's a horrible writer.

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I agree with that, but I've never seen a writer more biased towards the Spurs.

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Originally Posted by monosylab1k

I agree with that, but I've never seen a writer more biased towards the Spurs.

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Are you serious?

Rosen has been pretty Spurs-friendly the past few year but he's long been one of the biggest DRob playa hatas.

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Originally Posted by monosylab1k

I agree with that, but I've never seen a writer more biased towards the Spurs.

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Did you just start reading his stuff after 2003?

Does he give statistics and specific instances to back up his overrated claims? I'd like to see a little substance if you're going to completely dog out a Hall-of-Famer.

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I looked up turnovers and Tim has almost as many in 10 seasons (2151) that David had in 14 (2417 counting the 6 games he played in 1996-97). Guess that makes Tim on the verge of being an overrated turnover machine as well.

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Are you serious?

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name one that is.

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I agree with that, but I've never seen a writer more biased towards the Spurs.

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Have you not followed basketball for more than a year?


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fuck it, it's what I should have expected. As long as we shit on the Suns fans it's "well gee you Mav fans ain't so bad" but as soon as the Mavs win one meaningless regular season game and Rosen doesn't get the kneepads out for the Spurs Dynasty it's back to "you have no clue WTF you're talking about ya douchebag Mav fan".

delete thread. this was the worst idea ever.

If only Drob was tough and loved the game...you know, like Shaq...he'd probably still be playing.


Playing in pain...giving it all up for the team...like Shaq.

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really? is it because you don't like his stuff or what? i figured Spurs fans would love Charley Rosen. this article is obviously not as complimentary but usually he can't wait to kiss Spur ass.

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It's understandable though because Rosen is a Phil Jackson lover and Robinson ended his reign. Rosen is just a scorned Laker homer.

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Exactly. Rarely have I read positive stuff about the Spurs from Rosen...his stuff goes back into the 90's against the Spurs.

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Originally Posted by monosylab1k

fuck it, it's what I should have expected. As long as we shit on the Suns fans it's "well gee you Mav fans ain't so bad" but as soon as the Mavs win one meaningless regular season game and Rosen doesn't get the kneepads out for the Spurs Dynasty it's back to "you have no clue WTF you're talking about ya douchebag Mav fan".

delete thread. this was the worst idea ever.

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Over-react much?

Rosen was definitely a DRob hater, he didn't start kissing Spur ass until after DRob retired in 2003. Now you know. :fro

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Originally Posted by monosylab1k

fuck it, it's what I should have expected. As long as we shit on the Suns fans it's "well gee you Mav fans ain't so bad" but as soon as the Mavs win one meaningless regular season game and Rosen doesn't get the kneepads out for the Spurs Dynasty it's back to "you have no clue WTF you're talking about ya douchebag Mav fan".

delete thread. this was the worst idea ever.

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The problem isn't the Mavs won a game. The problem is not knowing that Rosen is a Phil Jackson's boy toy who has a long standing negative view of David Robinson.

To Spurs fans, Rosen hating on Robinson (even for no reason like he was in this article) is about as unexpected as Stephen A. Smith calling out Dirk.

It's the same junk he's spat out plenty of times, and the numbers just don't bare it out. IIRC, Robinson is in the top ten in career scoring, not the sort of position you expect to find someone with a limited offensive game. If that was really all his scoring consisted of I'm at a loss for how bad the NBA's entire defense must have been for such a predictable player to win a scoring title. Also, I've never seen or heard of a guy winning a rebounding title who wasn't willing to mix it up with big guys.

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Originally Posted by monosylab1k

fuck it, it's what I should have expected. As long as we shit on the Suns fans it's "well gee you Mav fans ain't so bad" but as soon as the Mavs win one meaningless regular season game and Rosen doesn't get the kneepads out for the Spurs Dynasty it's back to "you have no clue WTF you're talking about ya douchebag Mav fan".

delete thread. this was the worst idea ever.

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:cry

It's ok, it won't hurt forever.

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I agree with that, but I've never seen a writer more biased towards the Spurs.

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David Dupree :lol

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I agree with that, but I've never seen a writer more biased towards the Spurs.

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It's fool's gold for a Spurs fan, because Rosen's opinions are so out of whack.

:lol @ this thread.

Before I forget,

http://www.spudart.org/etc/sports/im...trophy_150.jpghttp://www.spudart.org/etc/sports/im...trophy_150.jpghttp://www.spudart.org/etc/sports/im...trophy_150.jpghttp://www.spudart.org/etc/sports/im...trophy_150.jpg

...whine about that too.

How does a person score 71 pts in single game, from an arsenal of elbow jumpers and put-backs?

Please explain the Quadruple Double. Was this just a statistical error?

2 time Gold Medalist, 1 w/o Jordan, Bird, Magic. 1 Bronze Medal.

This was all before T.D.

Could someone email Rosen a resume of D-Rob's accomplishments?
The man has peanuts for a brain.

Back on topic....Rosen is an idiot. Robinson is a hall of famer and anyone who actually knows the game knows it.

How does one become a Pats and a Mavs fan? Double the douchebaggery there.

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David Dupree :lol

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That's who I was thinking about. Is he the one from USA Today? If so, that is the one I was thinking about.

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How does a person score 71 pts in single game, from an arsenal of elbow jumpers and put-backs?

Please explain the Quadruple Double. Was this just a statistical error?

2 time Gold Medalist, 1 w/o Jordan, Bird, Magic. 1 Bronze Medal.

This was all before T.D.

Could someone email Rosen a resume of D-Rob's accomplishments?
The man has peanuts for a brain.

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A better question is to forget the accomplishments and ask...


How does a soft guy lead the lead the league in FTA multiple times...


How does a guy that doesn't love the game, end his superstar career by playing basketball for free, with a hernia...and his regular career...guarding Shaq, with a sever back condition, and a torn meniscus.


For a guy that didn't love basketball...Drob sure did play a lot of it...injured, and otherwise.

3 Dream Teams...if he only he loved the game as much as guys like Garnett and Shaq...who blow that commitment off with regularity...




All you need to know though...is that this guy thinks taking a charge is softer than blocking a shot....that's an idiot there. That's a guy who hasn't even played a pick up game there...

whottt will carry this thread to 10 pages all by himself.

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3 Dream Teams...if he only he loved the game as much as guys like Garnett and Shaq...who blow that commitment off with regularity...

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2 actually....92, 96

But he was on the 88 team as well as the 87 Pan Am team.


Rosen is a choade.

i think drob played in 88, before it was the dream team

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2 actually....92, 96

But he was on the 88 team as well as the 87 Pan Am team.


Rosen is a choade.

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Choade: a dick that is wider than its length.

Chode: the area between your sac and your asshole.

So I guess Rosen is what you call a "birthday cake."

Bringing up 50 out of nowhere was schizo. I suppose he didn't want his friend Phil to think he was going Brokeback for the Spurs.

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Contrary to popular opinion, David Robinson was one of the most overrated players of all-time. Here's why:

Although he was a terrific shot-blocker from the weak-side, he was just an average on-the-ball defender.
He was a turnover machine.
His offense was limited to elbow jumpers and put-backs. Otherwise, he liked to take his left hand to the middle and start faking — but if his defender stayed put, then Robinson was always hard-pressed to find a decent shot.
B.D. (before Duncan), the Admiral was infamous for missing clutch free throws in the playoffs.
He played with a remarkable lack of passion, and was always reluctant to bang with the other bigs.
He never won diddly until Tim Duncan showed up in San Antonio.
But Robinson was intelligent, well-behaved, an all-around nice guy, and had nifty numbers. Good enough to fool the media, who fooled the fans.

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All of that was the :blah we've seen from Rosen for years about Robinson ... except for the part about turnovers.

I've never heard anyone call Robinson a turnover machine. In fact, for a player who handled the ball as much as he did in his prime, he averaged an astonishingly few amount of turnovers.

You look at his numbers and he averaged less turnovers per game and per minute than just about any superstar bigman I can think of. Per 40 minutes played in his career, David Robinson averaged 2.8 turnovers.

Here's a list of other bigmen's turnovers per 40 minutes over their career:

Tim Duncan - 3.1
Shaquille O'Neal - 3.1
Hakeem Olajuwon - 3.3
Karl Malone - 3.3
Kareem Abdul-Jabbar- 3.3
Charles Barkley - 3.4
Patrick Ewing - 3.5
Moses Malone - 3.6

Those are just off the top of my head and Robinson turned the ball over significantly less than any of those players. Even less than Michael Jordan (2.9 per 40 minutes) and a genuinely soft bigman like Brad Daugherty (3.0 per 40 minutes).

In fact, I challenge someone to find a superstar center that averaged less turnovers per minute than David Robinson. Every superstar (or even star) center I can think of averaged more. Zo? More. Yao? More.

Turnover machine my azz :rollin

What a weak b!tch of a DRob hater Rosen is.

Well there are the facts.

Robert Parish 2.9 - closest I can find.
Wes Unseld 2.3 - there you go.

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2 actually....92, 96

But he was on the 88 team as well as the 87 Pan Am team.


Rosen is a choade.

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False.....it's 3.

He was on the 94 FIBA World Championship Team which was officially designated as Dream Team II.


...which won the World Championship.


3 Dream Teams. 92, 94, and 96.


3 Olympic Teams 88, 92, and 96.


5 Team USAs

86, 88, 92, 94, and 96.


All Team USA Records...




And the only one that failed to win Gold was the 88 team....


No remembers Drob kicking Sabonis ass in the 86 FIBA Championships...


They only bring up Sabonis winning in 88 when Drob's two best teamates couldn't play in the 4th quarter..

Edit: Against a team that scrimmaged NBA teams in prep and was loaded with professional players.



Like I said earlier...if only Drob loved the game like Shaq and Garnett...he'd still be playing.

That must be the worst tie-in of two completely seperate subjects in one article in the history of sports writing. WTF is Rosen on???

A Spurs' loss and Rosen tries to knock DRob who's been out of the game for 4 years.

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False.....it's 3.

He was on the 94 FIBA World Championship Team which was officially designated as Dream Team II.


...which won the World Championship

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Ahh...yes, my bad, I knew I was for getting something. :tu

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No remembers Drob kicking Sabonis ass in the 86 FIBA Championships

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I do..as well as dunking on him hardcore in 92 in Barcelona.

We're getting sidetracked here guys...


Let's see...


David Robinson held the NCAA career and single season records for total blocks and blocks per game.

He's the all time leading shot blocker in Team USA history.


At the time of his injury...you know the one, when that soft doesn't love the game bitch represented Team USA in the 96 Olympics with a hernia...and basically destroyed his Suerpstar career by playing for free...

He was the all time leader in blocks per game in NBA history...he remains # 4 on that list. He was also the first player in NBA history to block over 300 shots per season his first 3 years in the NBA...


And thanks to Rosen...we know now that David Robinson was afraid to block shots.


Well done Charlie...


Props to you and your manly source(spurs assistant coach) for being men enough to throw his name out there so we can find out just which recovering crack addict on Lucas' staff had the balls to go around calling other players soft behind their backs. What a man...



I swear...if you took a sledge hammer and bashed Rosen's brains to jelly...he'd be no less stupider for it.

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Chode: a dick that is wider than its length.

Taint: the area between your sac and your asshole.

So I guess Rosen is what you call a "birthday cake."

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why do i care?

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The problem isn't the Mavs won a game. The problem is not knowing that Rosen is a Phil Jackson's boy toy who has a long standing negative view of David Robinson.

To Spurs fans, Rosen hating on Robinson (even for no reason like he was in this article) is about as unexpected as Stephen A. Smith calling out Dirk.

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u just nailed it. However I might think Rosen has something against DROB other than racial bias(the case with SAS).
His personal vendetta against robinson has been ridiculous. To call out someone 4 years out of retirement has to hide something more than a lovefest with Zen master i believe
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condominiums Pattaya

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Originally Posted by monosylab1k

fuck it, it's what I should have expected. As long as we shit on the Suns fans it's "well gee you Mav fans ain't so bad" but as soon as the Mavs win one meaningless regular season game and Rosen doesn't get the kneepads out for the Spurs Dynasty it's back to "you have no clue WTF you're talking about ya douchebag Mav fan".

delete thread. this was the worst idea ever.

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:dramaquee

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Robert Parish 2.9 - closest I can find.
Wes Unseld 2.3 - there you go.

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Parish wasn't really a superstar and he still had more turnovers than DRob.

As far as Unseld, that turnover count isn't accurate. The NBA didn't start charting turnovers until 1978 and by that time Unseld was in his 10th year in the NBA and he was a role player. His 2.3 numbers were in his last few years in the league where he averaged about 8 points per game as a role player. That's a far cry from the comparable superstar center with less turnovers that I was looking for ... but nice research.

Let me dig a little deeper.

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Let me dig a little deeper.

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Wes Unseld is one of the guys in the debate for the greatest passing bigman ever....if he's the only guy that beats Drob out...that says a lot about Drob.


Incidentally...Drob's 4.8 APG in 93-94 were only bettered by 5 C's in NBA history...might be one other that beat him out...

Rusell, Wilt, Walton, Kareem, and Unseld.....something to think about when considering his TO's as well. I think Brad Miller or Vlade may have joined that group since...but still....

Rosen is trash

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David Dupree :lol

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Tony Meija.

But mono, folks are telling you the truth, Rosen has always hated Robinson. With just a little work, thereare plenty of threads to be found bashing him after he ripped DRob.

His "Spurs love", if you want to call it that, stems from the grudging respect he has had to give them since 2005.

Oh, and DRob > Duncan as a defender, especially on the ball.

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All of that was the :blah we've seen from Rosen for years about Robinson ... except for the part about turnovers.

I've never heard anyone call Robinson a turnover machine. In fact, for a player who handled the ball as much as he did in his prime, he averaged an astonishingly few amount of turnovers.

You look at his numbers and he averaged less turnovers per game and per minute than just about any superstar bigman I can think of. Per 40 minutes played in his career, David Robinson averaged 2.8 turnovers.

Here's a list of other bigmen's turnovers per 40 minutes over their career:

Tim Duncan - 3.1
Shaquille O'Neal - 3.1
Hakeem Olajuwon - 3.3
Karl Malone - 3.3
Kareem Abdul-Jabbar- 3.3
Charles Barkley - 3.4
Patrick Ewing - 3.5
Moses Malone - 3.6

Those are just off the top of my head and Robinson turned the ball over significantly less than any of those players. Even less than Michael Jordan (2.9 per 40 minutes) and a genuinely soft bigman like Brad Daugherty (3.0 per 40 minutes).

In fact, I challenge someone to find a superstar center that averaged less turnovers per minute than David Robinson. Every superstar (or even star) center I can think of averaged more. Zo? More. Yao? More.

Turnover machine my azz :rollin

What a weak b!tch of a DRob hater Rosen is.

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You think D-Rob will still save him a spot at the table next week? Sheeeesh what did Robinson sleep with his wife or something?? :lol

Regarding D-Rob's supposed lack of passion. He's a well-rounded spiritual person with many outside interests and passions, most visibly his charity work. A family man, a Navy man and an engineer.

He didn't need basketball, basketball needed him.

I stopped reading Rosen when he claimed that DRob should have covered for Rodman when Dennis would try to be a one-man full court press, completely blowing the Spurs halfcourt defense.

Rosen writes like they give extra points for style in shooting. Hasn't Shaq always gotten most of his points by simply charging over his smaller opponents?

DROB's scoring stats speak for themselves. How he made them doesn't matter.

The only thing Rosen got right--although he didn't express it the right way--is that even with all his wonderful stats and play, DROB was an underachiever. He could have been much better than his stats show.

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Rosen writes like they give extra points for style in shooting. Hasn't Shaq always gotten most of his points by simply charging over his smaller opponents?

DROB's scoring stats speak for themselves. How he made them doesn't matter.

The only thing Rosen got right--although he didn't express it the right way--is that even with all his wonderful stats and play, DROB was an underachiever. He could have been much better than his stats show.

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I think I read in a SI article one time that Robinson didn't even like basketball that much. Don't know how much truth there is to that though.

After consulting the record books, David Robinson is the only player in NBA history to average at least 22 points, 11 rebounds and less than three turnovers per 40 minutes over the length of their career. That's pretty impressive considering Robinson averaged over 24 points, over 12 rebounds and 2.8 turnovers per 40 minutes, so nobody was even close.

If you want to go straight number, Robinson is the only player in NBA history to average over 21 points, over 10 rebounds and under 2.5 turnovers per game. I do have to thank Rosen though because I didn't realize Robinson was the least turnover prone dominant bigman of all-time.

Props to Rosen because his bitter hating uninformed take actual shed more light on how good Robinson actually was. For a bigman who handled the ball as much as he did to average so few turnovers is pretty remarkable. For much of Robinson's prime years, the entire offense went through him.

Props Rosen, ya b!tch you :tu

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After consulting the record books, David Robinson is the only player in NBA history to average at least 22 points, 11 rebounds and less than three turnovers per 40 minutes over the length of their career. That's pretty impressive considering Robinson averaged over 24 points, over 12 rebounds and 2.8 turnovers per 40 minutes, so nobody was even close.

If you want to go straight number, Robinson is the only player in NBA history to average over 21 points, over 10 rebounds and under 2.5 turnovers per game. I do have to thank Rosen though because I didn't realize Robinson was the least turnover prone dominant bigman of all-time.

Props to Rosen because his bitter hating uninformed take actual shed more light on how good Robinson actually was. For a bigman who handled the ball as much as he did to average so few turnovers is pretty remarkable. For much of Robinson's prime years, the entire offense went through him.

Props Rosen, ya b!tch you :tu

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You should email him back and slap those numbers in his face...

That will let him know that Spurs fans don't particulary appreciate his incessant, and underserved derision of Robinson.

Props to your research. :tu

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Rosen writes like they give extra points for style in shooting. Hasn't Shaq always gotten most of his points by simply charging over his smaller opponents?

DROB's scoring stats speak for themselves. How he made them doesn't matter.

The only thing Rosen got right--although he didn't express it the right way--is that even with all his wonderful stats and play, DROB was an underachiever. He could have been much better than his stats show.

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If by underachiever you mean DRob didn't have Oscar Robertson, Magic Johnson, Kobe Bryant, Bob Cousy, Dwayne Wade, Clyde Drexler, Sam Cassell, Tony Parker or Manu Ginobili as his guards...

I agree...if you meant anything else...

I'm going to first point out that Drob didn't have Oscar Robertson, Magic Johnson, Kobe Bryant, Dwayne Wade, Clyde Drexler, Sam Cassell, Tony Parker or Manu Ginobili as his guards...

He had Avery Johnson and Vinny Del Negro...

Put it all together and you get Oscar Robertson, Magic Johnson, Kobe Bryant, Dwayne Wade, Clyde Drexler, Sam Cassell, Tony Parker, Manu Ginobili, Avery Johnson and Vinny Del Negro...


Now two of those names are not like the others...if you can't tell which two those are...I'm truly sorry you've been basketball fan for 40 years and can't tell which two names are not like all the others...


Trust me...there's a huge difference between Vinny Del Negro and Kobe Bryant...huge fucking difference.


Drob wasn't an underachiver...he was an overachiever...in particular on the basketball court...

Just because he made you think the Spurs weren't a lottery team(see 96-97), doesn't mean they weren't a lottery team...


But by all means...continue having a lame, lazy and inaccurate pov...

I say we start sending hate mail Rosen's way!

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Originally Posted by Phenomanul

You should email him back and slap those numbers in his face...

That will let him know that Spurs fans don't particulary appreciate his incessant, and underserved derision of Robinson.

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If someone else wants to email him with those numbers, feel free. I don't email writers. He's a Robinson hating lost cause but it'd be nice for him to see how very wrong he was.

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Originally Posted by timvp

If someone else wants to email him with those numbers, feel free. I don't email writers. He's a Robinson hating lost cause but it'd be nice for him to see how very wrong he was.

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Can we send him a bag of dogshit?

Phil Jackson is the definition of over rated.

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