Charley Rosen on Mavs-Spurs (plus D-Rob critique)

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Originally Posted by Kori Ellis

David Dupree :lol

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Tony Meija.

But mono, folks are telling you the truth, Rosen has always hated Robinson. With just a little work, thereare plenty of threads to be found bashing him after he ripped DRob.

His "Spurs love", if you want to call it that, stems from the grudging respect he has had to give them since 2005.

Oh, and DRob > Duncan as a defender, especially on the ball.

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Originally Posted by timvp

All of that was the :blah we've seen from Rosen for years about Robinson ... except for the part about turnovers.

I've never heard anyone call Robinson a turnover machine. In fact, for a player who handled the ball as much as he did in his prime, he averaged an astonishingly few amount of turnovers.

You look at his numbers and he averaged less turnovers per game and per minute than just about any superstar bigman I can think of. Per 40 minutes played in his career, David Robinson averaged 2.8 turnovers.

Here's a list of other bigmen's turnovers per 40 minutes over their career:

Tim Duncan - 3.1
Shaquille O'Neal - 3.1
Hakeem Olajuwon - 3.3
Karl Malone - 3.3
Kareem Abdul-Jabbar- 3.3
Charles Barkley - 3.4
Patrick Ewing - 3.5
Moses Malone - 3.6

Those are just off the top of my head and Robinson turned the ball over significantly less than any of those players. Even less than Michael Jordan (2.9 per 40 minutes) and a genuinely soft bigman like Brad Daugherty (3.0 per 40 minutes).

In fact, I challenge someone to find a superstar center that averaged less turnovers per minute than David Robinson. Every superstar (or even star) center I can think of averaged more. Zo? More. Yao? More.

Turnover machine my azz :rollin

What a weak b!tch of a DRob hater Rosen is.

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You think D-Rob will still save him a spot at the table next week? Sheeeesh what did Robinson sleep with his wife or something?? :lol

Regarding D-Rob's supposed lack of passion. He's a well-rounded spiritual person with many outside interests and passions, most visibly his charity work. A family man, a Navy man and an engineer.

He didn't need basketball, basketball needed him.

I stopped reading Rosen when he claimed that DRob should have covered for Rodman when Dennis would try to be a one-man full court press, completely blowing the Spurs halfcourt defense.

Rosen writes like they give extra points for style in shooting. Hasn't Shaq always gotten most of his points by simply charging over his smaller opponents?

DROB's scoring stats speak for themselves. How he made them doesn't matter.

The only thing Rosen got right--although he didn't express it the right way--is that even with all his wonderful stats and play, DROB was an underachiever. He could have been much better than his stats show.

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Originally Posted by wildbill2u

Rosen writes like they give extra points for style in shooting. Hasn't Shaq always gotten most of his points by simply charging over his smaller opponents?

DROB's scoring stats speak for themselves. How he made them doesn't matter.

The only thing Rosen got right--although he didn't express it the right way--is that even with all his wonderful stats and play, DROB was an underachiever. He could have been much better than his stats show.

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I think I read in a SI article one time that Robinson didn't even like basketball that much. Don't know how much truth there is to that though.

After consulting the record books, David Robinson is the only player in NBA history to average at least 22 points, 11 rebounds and less than three turnovers per 40 minutes over the length of their career. That's pretty impressive considering Robinson averaged over 24 points, over 12 rebounds and 2.8 turnovers per 40 minutes, so nobody was even close.

If you want to go straight number, Robinson is the only player in NBA history to average over 21 points, over 10 rebounds and under 2.5 turnovers per game. I do have to thank Rosen though because I didn't realize Robinson was the least turnover prone dominant bigman of all-time.

Props to Rosen because his bitter hating uninformed take actual shed more light on how good Robinson actually was. For a bigman who handled the ball as much as he did to average so few turnovers is pretty remarkable. For much of Robinson's prime years, the entire offense went through him.

Props Rosen, ya b!tch you :tu

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Originally Posted by timvp

After consulting the record books, David Robinson is the only player in NBA history to average at least 22 points, 11 rebounds and less than three turnovers per 40 minutes over the length of their career. That's pretty impressive considering Robinson averaged over 24 points, over 12 rebounds and 2.8 turnovers per 40 minutes, so nobody was even close.

If you want to go straight number, Robinson is the only player in NBA history to average over 21 points, over 10 rebounds and under 2.5 turnovers per game. I do have to thank Rosen though because I didn't realize Robinson was the least turnover prone dominant bigman of all-time.

Props to Rosen because his bitter hating uninformed take actual shed more light on how good Robinson actually was. For a bigman who handled the ball as much as he did to average so few turnovers is pretty remarkable. For much of Robinson's prime years, the entire offense went through him.

Props Rosen, ya b!tch you :tu

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You should email him back and slap those numbers in his face...

That will let him know that Spurs fans don't particulary appreciate his incessant, and underserved derision of Robinson.

Props to your research. :tu

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Originally Posted by wildbill2u

Rosen writes like they give extra points for style in shooting. Hasn't Shaq always gotten most of his points by simply charging over his smaller opponents?

DROB's scoring stats speak for themselves. How he made them doesn't matter.

The only thing Rosen got right--although he didn't express it the right way--is that even with all his wonderful stats and play, DROB was an underachiever. He could have been much better than his stats show.

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If by underachiever you mean DRob didn't have Oscar Robertson, Magic Johnson, Kobe Bryant, Bob Cousy, Dwayne Wade, Clyde Drexler, Sam Cassell, Tony Parker or Manu Ginobili as his guards...

I agree...if you meant anything else...

I'm going to first point out that Drob didn't have Oscar Robertson, Magic Johnson, Kobe Bryant, Dwayne Wade, Clyde Drexler, Sam Cassell, Tony Parker or Manu Ginobili as his guards...

He had Avery Johnson and Vinny Del Negro...

Put it all together and you get Oscar Robertson, Magic Johnson, Kobe Bryant, Dwayne Wade, Clyde Drexler, Sam Cassell, Tony Parker, Manu Ginobili, Avery Johnson and Vinny Del Negro...


Now two of those names are not like the others...if you can't tell which two those are...I'm truly sorry you've been basketball fan for 40 years and can't tell which two names are not like all the others...


Trust me...there's a huge difference between Vinny Del Negro and Kobe Bryant...huge fucking difference.


Drob wasn't an underachiver...he was an overachiever...in particular on the basketball court...

Just because he made you think the Spurs weren't a lottery team(see 96-97), doesn't mean they weren't a lottery team...


But by all means...continue having a lame, lazy and inaccurate pov...

I say we start sending hate mail Rosen's way!

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Originally Posted by Phenomanul

You should email him back and slap those numbers in his face...

That will let him know that Spurs fans don't particulary appreciate his incessant, and underserved derision of Robinson.

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If someone else wants to email him with those numbers, feel free. I don't email writers. He's a Robinson hating lost cause but it'd be nice for him to see how very wrong he was.

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Originally Posted by timvp

If someone else wants to email him with those numbers, feel free. I don't email writers. He's a Robinson hating lost cause but it'd be nice for him to see how very wrong he was.

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Can we send him a bag of dogshit?

Phil Jackson is the definition of over rated.

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