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When you try to compare players, one of the best ways to do that is to see if the ball is put into a player's hands with the game on the line--and what they do with that responsibility. All of the players named get that honor.
Now then, what are the results? Manu and Kobe have multiple championships, indicating they have both the talent and the will to win. McGrady and LeBron have yet to demonstrate that.
If manu dont get picked for the allstar game it would be a travesty of life on earth.
Unfortunately, at the moment, Manu is a 20/4.7/4.4 player.Quote:
Originally Posted by Holt's Cat
http://www.nba.com/playerfile/emanue...ili/index.html
The bump was for the notion that Manu couldn't light it up if he was the man and didn't have the pleasure of playing with the best bigman in the NBA today.
lol, 1 game knee-jerk reactionQuote:
Originally Posted by Holt's Cat
Manu's had such performances before with TD out.
LOL talking out of your ass.
I understand that. I was just being the dark cloud of technicality.Quote:
Originally Posted by Holt's Cat
Oh I'm aware of that. But a few performances here and there does not put him in a class with Kobe and Lebron. That's all I'm saying. You guys are all happy as hell about this performance, where-as those types of games are very normal to Kobe and Lebron.Quote:
Originally Posted by Holt's Cat
Who is saying Manu is as good as Kobe or LeBron??Quote:
Originally Posted by stretch
here is one of them, when I said that Kobe and Lebron are on a completely different level than Manu...Quote:
Originally Posted by MaNuMaNiAc
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Originally Posted by ArgSpursFan.
Ok, so you're saying that Kobe and LeBron are waaaay better than Manu?Quote:
Originally Posted by stretch
They may be better at shooting the ball from mid-range, just a lil' bit
better at going to the lane, but hell, none of them have his hart, determination and will and humble (a weird combination). This makes them really close.
And forgive me, but if I had to make a team from scratch, I'll pick Manu.
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Originally Posted by santymrc
Your delusional.. Bron took one of the worst teams ever to the finals and I've seen him shread my pistons apart on his own. Manu is good.. infact he's great at what he does. But just cause you like Manu doesn't mean you have to blindly crap on Kobe and Bron.. both of whom do have his heart, determination, will and humle (whatever that means).
If you were a GM and started a team and had those three to pick from and you picked Manu.. you'd be out of a job pretty quick. Manu is great.. but lets not let homerism get in the way of your preseption of how great he is.
:rolleyes my bad, I tend to underestimate the stupidity of some...Quote:
Originally Posted by stretch
LeBron is a fucking freak of nature. He hasn't won anything yet because he has crap for a supporting team. Give LeBron a supporting cast like Manu's and God help anyone on the way :lol
man... Duncan+Tp+LeBron... insane!
I love Manu, and he will be my favorite player 'till the day retires, but lets get some perspective here people.
My sentiments exactly.Quote:
Originally Posted by Holt's Cat
I'm so glad I picked this guy for my fantasy team.
I used to have a pair of shoes called the "20.5.5.'s" -- Lebron's shoe after the first time he averaged that (his rookie year?). Manu should follow with a shoe...like right now. stats could drop.
http://www.mysanantonio.com/sports/b...l.2960a0d.html :)Quote:
Originally Posted by Holt's Cat
They are on a different level because they are their team's franchise player, go-to guy, etc. I'm not saying Manu would blow up the scoreboard if he was the franchise player and No. 1 option on a different team, but he is a good team player for the Spurs.Quote:
Originally Posted by stretch
Right now the Spurs are the kind of team where you could blow up the team, ship everyone off to a different team, and most of them wouldn't come close to replicating their success on the Spurs. That's the main reason the Spurs kept their championship rotation intact. The Spurs have a system, and some guys are struggling (Elson, Bonner) and have streaky games (Vaughn, Barry, Fin), but in general they play well together, have a good awareness of what their role is, and most importantly have the championship level chemistry necessary to succeed.
But I would agree that Kobe and LeBron are better players than Manu. We just see their flaws in the postseason because they are not surrounded by other good players. As soon as Kobe blew up the Lakers, the title followed Shaq. And LeBron willed his team to the Finals and got swept. You won't hear any denial from me that if you surrounded Kobe and LeBron with good role players that play defense and can spread the floor, the Lakers and Cavs would have excellent teams.
I tried to tell you before that Manu doesn't need Duncan on the floor to perform at a high level. Have you figured that out yet? With 2 nights of 37 against two tough teams, it hardly looks like he is "cooling off" as you predicted he would.Quote:
Originally Posted by stretch
Here is a question.
Will Kobe be so pissed that Manu is playing this way that he will sit out the next time we play the Lake Show because he doesn't want to be the shown to be the 2nd best player on the floor? Or will he simply go back to the media with his "I demand to be traded" tirade to get himself back in the limelight?
This is the year of Manu Mania!!!!!!
Manu > Jordan
Good Post :tuQuote:
Originally Posted by santymrc
So,you think Manu is on a lower level as them ??Quote:
Originally Posted by MaNuMaNiAc
Manu has to play with another 2 superstars in his team,and still is able to be a 20/5/5 guy in 30 mpg.
Those guys you're saying are wayyy better tham Manu,just play with another 4 role players in their teams.
Manu plays with TD and TP and still is able to shine,and take over games when needed.
I´m proud to say Manu is one of the top players in this league right now. And I´m not scared to say it eather. Are you?
I would have to go pull up the stats and do the math, but I suspect Manu puts up 1 point for every minute he is on the floor.Quote:
Originally Posted by ArgSpursFan.
I don't think Kobe or Lebron does that.
Manu is invaluable to this team. He has show in the Dallas and Utah games that he can indeeed take over and will his team to victory if the need arises.
You know there isn't a coach in the league that wouldn't love to have Manu in his rotation.