Spurs Waive Darius Washington

I've looked at all of Langford's stats and I don't see anything that tells me he can play. He did nothing of note in D-League last year. In summer league he's never done anything. In preseason for the Spurs he did nothing. He was pretty good at Kansas but nobody thought he was going to get drafted.

I think the Spurs have been duped by a tweener workout wonder. And really, the last thing this team needs is a short shooting guard. Even with Barry and Manu out the Spurs have enough able bodies. Especially when Pop can go to the Parker-Vaughn backcourt like he did at times against the Bulls.

I'd say the highest level of play Langford has played at was summer league this year. In Vegas, this guy averaged 2 points and 1 rebound in ten minutes per game. He had no assists. His play picked up a tad in Utah but he was still about the sixth or seventh best player on that team. Viktor Sanikidze, for example, but up better stats in less minutes in Utah.

I put zero stock in Langford putting up big numbers in the D-League this season. In the D-League, shooting guard is by far the easiest position. And it's also the least transferable to the NBA. It's just too easy for shooting guards to score due to the lack of decent bigmen and lack of perimeter defenders.

If the Spurs decide Langford is the one to keep over Washington and Williams, it'll be a mistake.

In Langford, short of continuing injury disasters, aren't we primarily talking about a practice body? A guy in practice who can give minutes at the one or the two?

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Originally Posted by picnroll

In Langford, short of continuing injury disasters, aren't we primarily talking about a practice body? A guy in practice who can give minutes at the one or the two?

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Well, seeing how they picked Langford over all those other prospects, one has to assume the Spurs see some long-term potential in him. If they didn't, they could have just kept Marcus Williams or Darius Washington as a practice dummy.

I just see no potential on the NBA level for Langford.

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Originally Posted by Kori Ellis

And there were other NBA teams interested in him when the Spurs signed him, I believe. So it's likely he might not clear waivers and someone with grab him.

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I believe most of us are concerned with the fact that this kid seemingly had some talent and upside which wouldn've justified a long-term investment. He's probably not at the true backup PG level yet, but no doubt he's a comer.

Seeing as how there are no current backup PG options available, it's puzzling to understand why he didn't get a longer look. After all, if he wasn't worth a spot, they why was Beno made expendable?

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Originally Posted by SenorSpur

I believe most of us are concerned with the fact that this kid seemingly had some talent and upside which wouldn've justified a long-term investment. He's probably not at the true backup PG level yet, but no doubt he's a comer.

Seeing as how there are no current backup PG options available, it's puzzling to understand why he didn't get a longer look. After all, if he wasn't worth a spot, they why was Beno made expendable?

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Beno made himself expendable, and the Spurs ended up with just enough room under the tax threshold for one project. They have chosen Langford as that project for now.

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Originally Posted by timvp

Well, seeing how they picked Langford over all those other prospects, one has to assume the Spurs see some long-term potential in him.

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Remember this is the same team that picked Marcus Williams in the first place :)

It is disappointing that they just dropped Washington like that... He seemed to have raw potential and the determination make something out of it!

timvp is giving some Melvin Sanders' love to Keith Langford.

Anyway, if Spurs sign today Langford and if Washington isn't claimed from waivers, Spurs will have to waive both Langford and Williams before January 10th to stay below the Luxury Tax.

I remember seeing Langford play and he just seems undersized to be a good option at the 2 or 3.

So both have to be waived by January 1st? The Spurs will then have 2 open roster spots?

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Originally Posted by BeerIsGood!

So both have to be waived by January 1st? The Spurs will then have 2 open roster spots?

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Yes, by January 10th.

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Originally Posted by Bruno

Anyway, if Spurs sign today Langford and if Washington isn't claimed from waivers, Spurs will have to waive both Langford and Williams before January 10th to stay below the Luxury Tax.

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Wow. I don't use the term that much, but that's pretty retarded. So we're looking at a Spurs roster very soon having only 13 players?

Which one of these guys is worth $3 million?

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Originally Posted by ChumpDumper

Which one of these guys is worth $3 million?

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Are you talking to me? It seems the situation is that the Spurs were fine keeping Washington - they were under the luxury cap. But then they went for Williams and Langford, both of whom they can't afford if Washington isn't picked off waivers. They never could afford them. Granted, it's somewhat likely a team grabs Washington, in which things are okay, but if no one does, aren't they stuck with 13 the rest of the year (and maybe 10-day contracts)?

The answer would be, Washington wasn't worth the money for the rest of the year, because he wasn't a good player in the system. That's fine.

There's no telling what the Spurs actually end up doing. We said they would never pay the luxury tax and they have more than once.

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Originally Posted by Mr. Body

Granted, it's somewhat likely a team grabs Washington, in which things are okay, but if no one does, aren't they stuck with 13 the rest of the year (and maybe 10-day contracts)?

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If no one pick Washington, Spurs aren't stuck to 13 players for the rest of the year.
They still can sign a player for the rest of the season later in the season (like at the end of January). This player could even be Langford or Williams. Before signing a player for the rest of the year, they will be able to test some players with 10 days contract to see which one is worse keeping until the end of the season.

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Originally Posted by Bruno

If no one pick Washington, Spurs aren't stuck to 13 players for the rest of the year.
They still can sign a player for the rest of the season later in the season (like at the end of January). This player could even be Langford or Williams. Before signing a player for the rest of the year, they will be able to test some players with 10 days contract to see which one is worse keeping until the end of the season.

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Don't any future signings cost against the luxury tax as well?

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Originally Posted by Bruno

timvp is giving some Melvin Sanders' love to Keith Langford.

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I had to hold myself from comparing Langford to Sanders. Langford isn't that bad. :)

BTW, where is Sanders these days? I assume somewhere in Europe.

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Originally Posted by Bruno

Anyway, if Spurs sign today Langford and if Washington isn't claimed from waivers, Spurs will have to waive both Langford and Williams before January 10th to stay below the Luxury Tax.

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Yeah that looks like the case as long as that $27K figure is accurate. Maybe they'll just keep both until the 10th, waive both and then if Washington is still around they can rotate and sign the players to ten-day contracts. Six ten day contracts would put the team to around April. And then perhaps the team will sign one of them to go into the playoffs with.

This end of the roster juggling will be pretty interesting. We'll see if another team jumps in and messes it up by signing one of the players.

Wow... I didn’t see this coming...

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Originally Posted by Mr. Body

Don't any future signings cost against the luxury tax as well?

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After counting guaranteed salary and training camp money. Spurs have, if they want to stay below the tax, a credit of 176 days to use for a player paid the minimum.

When a player is waived, he stays two days on the waivers and it count against the day credit.

Spurs have spend 62 days on Washington.
If Spurs waive Williams on January 10th, he will cost 18 days.
If Spurs waive Langford on January 10th, he will cost 16 days.

Spurs will have spend 96 days for these 3 players. They still would have 80 days left. They can use these 80 days like they want. They can, as an example, sign a player on January 28th for the rest of the season.

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Originally Posted by timvp

BTW, where is Sanders these days? I assume somewhere in Europe.

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Sanders signed with a Greek team this summer but he has had a car crash during the preseason. He has now recovered from the injury and has been lately traded to Malaga (a good Spanish team).
Sanders will make some money in Europe if he get back at his previous level because, as a Georgian, he doesn't count against American's quotas.

Someone posted the wrong stats for Darius, I got these from his site at DWash.net:

University of Memphis
2004-06 College C-USA Statistics

Season by Season Averages

2004-2005 (Freshman yr)
35.1 MPG
15.4 PPG
3.6 RPG
3.8 APG

2005-2006 (Sophmore yr)
26.5 MPG
13.5 PPG
2.8 RPG
3.1 APG

College CAREER TOTALS (73 total games played):
Total Points: 1054
Total 3 pointers: 92
Total Assists: 254
Total Steals: 108
Total Free Throws Made:270
Total Blocks: 6
Total Games Played: 73

Darius is full of potential and I think the Spurs will regret not keeping him. They need some young blood especially as often as they are getting injured this season. It may be better for him though because look how good Beno and Scola are doing in another system. Wherever Darius goes he will do well. Personally I would love to see him play for Golden State. He is one of the few point guards in the league that can defend Baron Davis. The next couple weeks should be interesting. I don't think he will play for the Toros without being signed by the Spurs. I know I wouldn't not when I could go overseas or to another team and play for real money.

Washington will end up on another team and become a superstar. LOL

Spurs letting go of Scola, Udrih, and now Washington for what???

NOTHING!!! HAHAHAHAHAHAHA

you have got to be fucking shitting me

I think Washington should not be discouraged. Avery got waived by the Spurs early in his career and then got back. The same could happen with him.

Exactly what I was thinking. ^