Spurs Dynasty ranks behind Lakers, Celtics and Bulls

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Originally Posted by Ed Helicopter Jones

This veteran Spurs bunch approaches the playoffs like they know they're going to win. There's no awe over the post season, just an increase in effort and intensity. The Spurs have the players in place who know how to win with the game on the line. Parker is becoming the Spurs 3rd 'clutch' weapon, not just early game weapon, and guys like Horry and Bowen play there roles to perfection in the post season.

The only team that is arguably deeper would be the 80's Lakers. They were basically an all-star team that played as a unit. The Bulls had Michael and some good role players, but not much else. None of the other teams are on par with the Spurs from a matchup standpoint.

In any case, this is a hard comparison to make. Different eras make for different lineups and styles of play. You'd probably have to distinguish what set of rules are in force, etc., before you start making comparisons.

Would Bill Russell's Celtics, the greatest sports dynasty ever, beat today's Spurs? Probably not because the game has evolved so much. Does that mean the Spurs are a better dynasty? Definitely not.

So...while this stuff is fun to argue, it's really an impossible debate to pick a winner. An unwinnable argument...must be the internet.

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There is my point in may disscussions of comparing the players from different eras.
Plus the evolution of basketball and sport itself (whole stuff around player)

Damn - it is even hard to compare the players from that same era.

Any lists that are made are bougus in some kind of way. And anybody can choose their own criteria.

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Originally Posted by urunobili

Spurs could win a 7 games series against ANY team that EVER existed. Period

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So could the 92-93 Mavericks. Doesn't mean they will.

no, the 92-93 mavs could steal one game, maybe two with dubious officiating.

the spurs could win a 7 game series.

Jim, that was a moronic post, even for you. Yes, the Celts won one series against Showtime...out of three. Give the current Spurs squad three cracks at Showtime, and I guarantee at least one win.

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Originally Posted by whottt

:lol @ Mavfan posting in a thread about champions, like he has a an informed opinion or something.


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:lol :D :lmao

-Mars

by reading the posts:

so its 80s lakers then, 00-03 lakers followed by the '07 spurs? then the 90s bulls and the 80s celtics, right?

EDIT:forgot to insert the laker mini-dynasty

If anyone here thinks this Spurs team could take the Showtime Lakers they are delusional. This Spur's dynasty couldn't even best the Lakers 2000 3-peat team, with an arguably better team than what they have now.

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The Lakers-Spurs series in the conference finals was the most lopsided conference finals series in NBA History, with the Lakers winning by an average of 22 points per game

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Originally Posted by DazedAndConfused

If anyone here thinks this Spurs team could take the Showtime Lakers they are delusional. This Spur's dynasty couldn't even best the Lakers 2000 3-peat team, with an arguably better team than what they have now.

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Did you forget who kept it from being a 4-peat? Some team from a little burg in Texas. I think they went all the way that year.

You're doing a good job of living up to your forum handle.

Comparing different eras in sports is kinda pointless really. FAR to many rule changes make it an apples to oranges comparison. Extended key, defensive 3 sec call, shorter 3 pt. line, zone D / no zone D blah blah blah.

Heres a great place to see the rule changes the league has gone through:

http://www.nba.com/analysis/rules_history.html

I feel very confident that the best teams of today could hold their own against the best of yesteryear though. I remember when guys over 7 feet were stiffs that had no coordination or real skill (Manute Bull) and now look at a guy like Yao...no comparison.

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Originally Posted by callo1

Comparing different eras in sports is kinda pointless really. FAR to many rule changes make it an apples to oranges comparison. Extended key, defensive 3 sec call, shorter 3 pt. line, zone D / no zone D blah blah blah.

Heres a great place to see the rule changes the league has gone through:

http://www.nba.com/analysis/rules_history.html

I feel very confident that the best teams of today could hold their own against the best of yesteryear though. I remember when guys over 7 feet were stiffs that had no coordination or real skill (Manute Bull) and now look at a guy like Yao...no comparison.

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hakeem, smits, robinson, sampson and ewing were already playing back then.
and so was george muresan. :dizzy
mutombo has been playing since like the early 70s. :wtf
bol was a great 3 point shooter. i think he was the best 3 point shooter on that bullets team - which is sad. :lol
the '80s was the best era for the big man. yao would just be considered a second tier center back then. and a very soft one at that.

The 1980's Showtime Lakers were the best team ever assembled in the NBA. Period.

Kareem = Best Center of all time in the NBA
Magic = Best PG of all time in the NBA
Worthy = HOF
Michael Cooper = NBA Defensive Player of the Year
Byron Scott = Deadly outside shooter
Bob Mcadoo = HOF
Norm Nixon, Kurt Rambis = Great role players

No Spurs team is beating the Showtime Lakers in a 7 game series. There were almost no weaknesses to that starting 5. Anyone who thinks the Spurs have even an outside shot at winning is clearly outside their minds.

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Originally Posted by TDMVPDPOY

mchale, parish are overrated...duncan > both combined.

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you think McHale is over-rated? watch this footage and you'll see you're wrong:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rtDNTt5p3F8

the dude had serious post moves. of course he's no duncan, but he's not over-rated.

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Originally Posted by DazedAndConfused

The 1980's Showtime Lakers were the best team ever assembled in the NBA. Period.

Kareem = Best Center of all time in the NBA
Magic = Best PG of all time in the NBA
Worthy = HOF
Michael Cooper = NBA Defensive Player of the Year
Byron Scott = Deadly outside shooter
Bob Mcadoo = HOF
Norm Nixon, Kurt Rambis = Great role players

No Spurs team is beating the Showtime Lakers in a 7 game series. There were almost no weaknesses to that starting 5. Anyone who thinks the Spurs have even an outside shot at winning is clearly outside their minds.

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Who would've guarded Tony Parker? He'd blow by any of those guys, even Cooper. Of course, he'd probably get blocked a few times by Kareem, but I think he might be the X factor for the Spurs in this match-up. On the other hand, Kareem would destroy Oberto or Elson. It would be interesting for sure.

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Originally Posted by m33p0

the '80s was the best era for the big man. yao would just be considered a second tier center back then. and a very soft one at that.

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lol

can you imagine Yao having to face guys like Laimbeer?

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Originally Posted by DazedAndConfused

The 1980's Showtime Lakers were the best team ever assembled in the NBA. Period.

Kareem = Best Center of all time in the NBA
Magic = Best PG of all time in the NBA
Worthy = HOF
Michael Cooper = NBA Defensive Player of the Year
Byron Scott = Deadly outside shooter
Bob Mcadoo = HOF
Norm Nixon, Kurt Rambis = Great role players

No Spurs team is beating the Showtime Lakers in a 7 game series. There were almost no weaknesses to that starting 5. Anyone who thinks the Spurs have even an outside shot at winning is clearly outside their minds.

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in the same token, how are the spurs gonna guard magic? he's too big and crafty for bowen. and i doubt bowen's little mind tricks would work on a guy that suffers through tougher treatment than what bowen is inflicting on his assignments. and how do you deal with worthy with kareem on the opposite block? duncan with another big might work which would make the spurs slower to stop the break. tony and manu's dribble drives would even be more important to pressure the defense into collapsing. spurs would have to play a perfect game the entire series to win. but hey, if the 80s celtics did it once, who's to say the spurs can't pull it off.

Ten, twenty, thirty years from now, people will look back at this Spurs team the same way that we look at the 80's Celtics, Lakers today.

Dynasties become even greater as the years pass. People will be talking about Duncan as a God on the basketball court the same way we talk about Kareem, Bird, Worthy, etc.

We will be saying we were there when Robert Horry sank the big 3pter to beat the Pistons. We were there at the Riverwalk when a million people welcomed the Spurs home.

I remember the Lakers of the 80's. They were great, but defensively they don't compare with today's NBA. They gave up 120 on a regular basis. Magic had his 6 for 20 nights and Worthy disappeared at times. As great as they were, the Lakers did lose occasionally just like all great champions and they weren't that much greater than the Spurs, Suns, and Jazz of that era.

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Originally Posted by peskypesky

lol

can you imagine Yao having to face guys like Laimbeer?

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:lmao
bill would taunt him to death if he ever tries to crumple in front of the bad boys and pretend that he got his eyes gauged.

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Originally Posted by dav4463

Ten, twenty, thirty years from now, people will look back at this Spurs team the same way that we look at the 80's Celtics, Lakers today.

Dynasties become even greater as the years pass. People will be talking about Duncan as a God on the basketball court the same way we talk about Kareem, Bird, Worthy, etc.

We will be saying we were there when Robert Horry sank the big 3pter to beat the Pistons. We were there at the Riverwalk when a million people welcomed the Spurs home.

I remember the Lakers of the 80's. They were great, but defensively they don't compare with today's NBA. They gave up 120 on a regular basis. Magic had his 6 for 20 nights and Worthy disappeared at times. As great as they were, the Lakers did lose occasionally just like all great champions and they weren't that much greater than the Spurs, Suns, and Jazz of that era.

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Originally Posted by DazedAndConfused

The 1980's Showtime Lakers were the best team ever assembled in the NBA. Period.

Kareem = Best Center of all time in the NBA , but the second, declining half was as a Laker.
Magic = Best PG of all time in the NBA Well, one of the best, anyway.
Worthy = HOF Nope
Michael Cooper = NBA Defensive Player of the Year
Byron Scott = Deadly outside shooter
Bob Mcadoo = HOF Yup, but a Finley quality role player as a Laker
Norm Nixon, Kurt Rambis = Great role players

No Spurs team is beating the Showtime Lakers in a 7 game series. There were almost no weaknesses to that starting 5. Anyone who thinks the Spurs have even an outside shot at winning is clearly outside their minds.

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I'm out of my mind, then. Magic would have presented matchup problems, but I would have REALLY enjoyed watching Cooper look between his legs or over his shoulder to find where Parker went. Nixon? The one or two years he played before Magic had him run off? Rambis = Madsen = scrub. The Spurs bench wins one series out of three, at least.

I'm continually surprised at the soft pedal that some Spurs fans have for our franchise. The 99 team was decent, but the 2003, 2005, and 2007 teams are as good as the game.

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Originally Posted by exstatic

I'm out of my mind, then. Magic would have presented matchup problems, but I would have REALLY enjoyed watching Cooper look between his legs or over his shoulder to find where Parker went. Nixon? The one or two years he played before Magic had him run off? Rambis = Madsen = scrub. The Spurs bench wins one series out of three, at least.

I'm continually surprised at the soft pedal that some Spurs fans have for our franchise. The 99 team was decent, but the 2003, 2005, and 2007 teams are as good as the game.

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hmmm... good points.
GO SPURS GO!

Let's not forget that a 44-38 Dallas Mavericks team led by Mark Aguirre and Ronaldo Blackman (not to mention Sam Perkins, a rookie) took the '85 Lakers to a 6 game series. The Lakers won three of those games by a combined 15 points.

This is not to suggest that the Lakers were soft or to take anything away from Aguirre and Blackman, but they are in no way comparable to Duncan & Co. It also suggests that the Lakers weren't quite as invincible as the "experts" seem to recall.

The Spurs would have beaten the Celtics most years in the 80s with the team we have now. Probably 7 or 8 out of 10 times if they play every year in the decade. The C's could match us or even better us on offense sometimes, but they did not play nearly the D the Spurs do. Some pundits will attempt to laud the "hard fouls" of the day as proof that the defense was superior, but I don't see a correlation. Hitting someone in the face does not mean you know martial arts. Checking someone into the 3rd row of the bleachers does not mean you know how to play good D in the NBA -- it just means you know how to be a thug.

The first time the Celtics or ANYONE did that to Manu, he'd light them up for 40 points per game. And I'd love to see them attempt to get under Duncan's skin. The last team that really tried were the Pistons in 05, and we saw how that worked out for them.

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Originally Posted by Cry Havoc

Let's not forget that a 44-38 Dallas Mavericks team led by Mark Aguirre and Ronaldo Blackman (not to mention Sam Perkins, a rookie) took the '85 Lakers to a 6 game series. The Lakers won three of those games by a combined 15 points.

This is not to suggest that the Lakers were soft or to take anything away from Aguirre and Blackman, but they are in no way comparable to Duncan & Co. It also suggests that the Lakers weren't quite as invincible as the "experts" seem to recall.

The Spurs would have beaten the Celtics most years in the 80s with the team we have now. Probably 7 or 8 out of 10 times if they play every year in the decade. The C's could match us or even better us on offense sometimes, but they did not play nearly the D the Spurs do. Some pundits will attempt to laud the "hard fouls" of the day as proof that the defense was superior, but I don't see a correlation. Hitting someone in the face does not mean you know martial arts. Checking someone into the 3rd row of the bleachers does not mean you know how to play good D in the NBA -- it just means you know how to be a thug.

The first time the Celtics or ANYONE did that to Manu, he'd light them up for 40 points per game. And I'd love to see them attempt to get under Duncan's skin. The last team that really tried were the Pistons in 05, and we saw how that worked out for them.

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true. and its not as if the spurs wouldn't be afforded the same uhh "courtesy" by the officials.

i wish every game, there's an asshole who would try to make mr duncan mad.

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Originally Posted by dav4463

Ten, twenty, thirty years from now, people will look back at this Spurs team the same way that we look at the 80's Celtics, Lakers today.

Dynasties become even greater as the years pass. People will be talking about Duncan as a God on the basketball court the same way we talk about Kareem, Bird, Worthy, etc.

We will be saying we were there when Robert Horry sank the big 3pter to beat the Pistons. We were there at the Riverwalk when a million people welcomed the Spurs home.

I remember the Lakers of the 80's. They were great, but defensively they don't compare with today's NBA. They gave up 120 on a regular basis. Magic had his 6 for 20 nights and Worthy disappeared at times. As great as they were, the Lakers did lose occasionally just like all great champions and they weren't that much greater than the Spurs, Suns, and Jazz of that era.

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That about sums up this whole discussion. And I am proud to be a Spurs fan who will one day be talking about this team with the same nostalgia as those great Celtics, Lakers, and Bulls teams.

How can anyone say the Spurs would best the 80's Showtime Lakers when they couldn't even best the 3-peat Laker team? Lakers owned them in that series only losing to SA once in the playoffs.

2001 NBA Playoffs - Lakers beat Spurs 4-0
2002 NBA Playoffs - Lakers beat Spurs 4-1
2003 NBA Playoffs - Spurs beat Lakers 4-2
2004 NBA Playoffs - Lakers beat Spurs 4-2