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Re: "Welcome to the era of chemacterility" Bill Simmons ESPN
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They're so fanatic about chemistry that when Luis Scola jumped to the NBA this summer, they traded his rights, partly because they weren't sure he could adjust from being a star in Spain to being a supporting player here. They didn't even want to take the chance he'd screw them up!
i've read that somewhere before. that's plagarism!
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Re: "Welcome to the era of chemacterility" Bill Simmons ESPN
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Originally Posted by remingtonbo2001
I'm not sure that's what is being referred to.
KG was being schooled by a rookie in practice a few years back.
Everyone was doggin KG.
So KG went up and punched him right in the face, just cause some no-name rookie was out playing him.
The article is posted in the NBA chatroom somewhere. I'm sure someone has a link to it.
the poor rook needed to be stitched up. the punch caused a gash.
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Re: "Welcome to the era of chemacterility" Bill Simmons ESPN
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Originally Posted by urunobili
i believe KG sucker punched Timmy on his first playoff series against the Wolves... i posted a video about this in an old thread... :pctoss
repost... give us the link.
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Re: "Welcome to the era of chemacterility" Bill Simmons ESPN
Ray Allen does quite a bit of charity work.
If he wasn't such a jerkoff he'd be one of my favorite players.
I've never heard anything bad about Pierce so I can't really say.
Garnett is a good guy, hell he donated a million dollars to the famalies of Katrina.
Duncan didn't donate squat.
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Re: "Welcome to the era of chemacterility" Bill Simmons ESPN
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Originally Posted by T Park
Ray Allen does quite a bit of charity work.
If he wasn't such a jerkoff he'd be one of my favorite players.
I've never heard anything bad about Pierce so I can't really say.
Garnett is a good guy, hell he donated a million dollars to the famalies of Katrina.
Duncan didn't donate squat.
duncan makes wayyy less money
-Mars
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Re: "Welcome to the era of chemacterility" Bill Simmons ESPN
KG got ejected from the state of south Carolina or Georgia, went to Chicago and the rest is history
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Re: "Welcome to the era of chemacterility" Bill Simmons ESPN
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Originally Posted by m33p0
repost... give us the link.
It was Rick Rickert in 04 who KG punched. He tapped Tim in the head, I believe, not punched him.
http://www.hoopscorner.com/archive/0...mber15_04.html
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Re: "Welcome to the era of chemacterility" Bill Simmons ESPN
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Originally Posted by Kori Ellis
What a sore little bitch.
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Re: "Welcome to the era of chemacterility" Bill Simmons ESPN
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Originally Posted by T Park
Garnett is a good guy, hell he donated a million dollars to the famalies of Katrina.
True. Well he donated the money to build one home a month for 2 years ($1.2 Million)
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Duncan didn't donate squat.
... that the media knows about.
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Re: "Welcome to the era of chemacterility" Bill Simmons ESPN
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Originally Posted by Kori Ellis
not that one. i already knew about that one. the kg-duncan incident. i've never seen it.
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Re: "Welcome to the era of chemacterility" Bill Simmons ESPN
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Originally Posted by m33p0
not that one. i already knew about that one. the kg-duncan incident. i've never seen it.
It was in the first round of the playoffs in 99 - game 3 or 4. Very physical. That was the game that Mario Elie got the big gash over his eyebrow, where they had to stop the bleeding for him to take his free throws and then he had to leave the game and be stitched up, it was bleeding so bad. Following that, the players were all a little testy, and I remember DRob shoving someone off him, a crowd gathering and KG walking up and slapping Tim Duncan upside the head for no good or understandable reason, since he was not part of any altercation.
All stuff that if it had happened last year would have resulted in DRob, Duncan, KG and a few other players suspended. Boy have times changed.
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Re: "Welcome to the era of chemacterility" Bill Simmons ESPN
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Originally Posted by easjer
It was in the first round of the playoffs in 99 - game 3 or 4. Very physical. That was the game that Mario Elie got the big gash over his eyebrow, where they had to stop the bleeding for him to take his free throws and then he had to leave the game and be stitched up, it was bleeding so bad. Following that, the players were all a little testy, and I remember DRob shoving someone off him, a crowd gathering and KG walking up and slapping Tim Duncan upside the head for no good or understandable reason, since he was not part of any altercation.
All stuff that if it had happened last year would have resulted in DRob, Duncan, KG and a few other players suspended. Boy have times changed.
only a mention and no videos of the incident from the sites i've searched so far. damn. thanks.
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Re: "Welcome to the era of chemacterility" Bill Simmons ESPN
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Originally Posted by Mitch Cumsteen
Stupid article. You win in the NBA with talent. Always have, always will. The Spurs could have the best chemistry, character and cap flexibility in the world, but they aren't going to do shit in the playoffs without Tim Duncan. Same with Boston without KG. Obviously you need good and unselfish role players to compliment the talent, but when has that not been true?
Not a stupid article at all imo. You can't claim that you win in the NBA with talent period because it just isn't true. Every player in the NBA is talented otherwise they wouldn't be in the NBA but you can't just lump talent together and expect them to be champions. Jordan himself said it best when he said "Talent wins games but teamwork and intelligence wins championships."
You pretty much said the same thing yourself with the huge qualifier that is the last sentence in your post.
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Obviously you need good and unselfish role players to compliment the talent
To that I would add that your talent also needs to be unselfish and trust the role players when teams try to take them out of the game. It may seem obvious to you but it's not obvious to a lot of GMs and it certainly isn't easy to achieve even if you know you should strive for it. That was the gist of the article. Sure you need talent but you don't necessarily need superstar talent or even multiple all-star talent as evidenced by the recent olympics.
Walt Frazier (The Game Within The Game) said "A team that plays unselfish, old-school basketball and has moderate talent will always beat a team with one or two superstars trying to win the game on their own." Makes sense to me and the current state of the NBA seems to bear this out.
Too many GMs are trying to cobble together teams on talent alone with disasterous results. Talent is an important ingredient for championships but I wouldn't say it trumps chemistry and cohesiveness. You need all three to win at the highest levels.
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Re: "Welcome to the era of chemacterility" Bill Simmons ESPN
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Originally Posted by Extra Stout
Is it just me, or is the non-Bill Simmons national media paying surprisingly little attention to the Celtics, given that they are a major-market team on pace to go 73-9, with a record-shattering +13 point differential?
I'd always wondered how much differently the Spurs would be regarded if the name on the jersey said "CELTICS" rather than "SPURS." Well, now there is a team-oriented defensive leviathan in Boston built around three stars and a bunch of role players, who all eschew drama in favor of winning, and they're not getting that much attention either. The top five stories in the NBA this year have been:
1) Kobe drama in LA!
2) The Bulls suck! Will they trade for Kobe?
3) The Knicks suck! Will Isiah be disemboweled by an angry mob?
4) Look how pretty the Suns still are!
5) The Heat suck!
I must say I'm surprised. I thought the prevailing dynamic was that major-market teams were held in higher regard. But the Celtics are disproving this.
its a good point, though i think the Celtics have been getting a fair amount of attention. i did notice that their coverage dropped off after losing to Detroit...and Boston hasn't beaten many good teams this year. some people might be cautious...
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Re: "Welcome to the era of chemacterility" Bill Simmons ESPN
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Originally Posted by RuffnReadyOzStyle
James Dolan should hire Bill as his GM and give him a show on MSG network. Seriously.
The result would be either hilarious epic failure (ie. a continuation of the current Knicks' situation) or a better team in 2-3 years. Sounds like a win-win to me. :lol
:tu
A reality show of Simmons as GM of the Knicks would be a hell of a lot more fun to watch than the Knicks this year. Who woulda thunk Knickfan would be yearning for the Layden years?
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Re: "Welcome to the era of chemacterility" Bill Simmons ESPN
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Originally Posted by Extra Stout
Is it just me, or is the non-Bill Simmons national media paying surprisingly little attention to the Celtics, given that they are a major-market team on pace to go 73-9, with a record-shattering +13 point differential?
I'd always wondered how much differently the Spurs would be regarded if the name on the jersey said "CELTICS" rather than "SPURS." Well, now there is a team-oriented defensive leviathan in Boston built around three stars and a bunch of role players, who all eschew drama in favor of winning, and they're not getting that much attention either. The top five stories in the NBA this year have been:
1) Kobe drama in LA!
2) The Bulls suck! Will they trade for Kobe?
3) The Knicks suck! Will Isiah be disemboweled by an angry mob?
4) Look how pretty the Suns still are!
5) The Heat suck!
I must say I'm surprised. I thought the prevailing dynamic was that major-market teams were held in higher regard. But the Celtics are disproving this.
I disagree. I think the 2008 Celtics are the most hyped NBA team in years, approaching the status of the 2000s Lakers AFTER they won a title or two.
And it's only just started. Just wait until the NFL season is over.
You are right about Bill Simmons, though. According to that asshole, now that the Celtics are good, suddenly the NBA is saved. F off.
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Re: "Welcome to the era of chemacterility" Bill Simmons ESPN
the lakers' three-peat destroys any argument this stupid article is trying to make. so does the heat championship.
and simmons' description of the scola fiasco proves he has no idea what he's talking about.
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Re: "Welcome to the era of chemacterility" Bill Simmons ESPN
The idea of the article is actually a good one, but the examples are not really congruent. A few points:
1. The Spurs and Pistons aren't constructed the same way. The Spurs still have one central superstar that they build their team around and a couple other players have developed into great players around him. The Pistons have been constructed with no clear superstar player but with above average players at every position so there is no huge weakness at any position. And, at least in perception, Rasheed Wallace is not a high character guy.
2. As some people already pointed out, James "flagrant foul" Posey is not a character guy and Scot "kids do drugs!" Pollard is not a character guy.
3. How does Boston have cap flexibility, the third part of this "chemacterility" notion, when their top three players currently take up 97% of their team's salary cap? That's not cap flexibility.
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Re: "Welcome to the era of chemacterility" Bill Simmons ESPN
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Originally Posted by T Park
Ray Allen does quite a bit of charity work.
If he wasn't such a jerkoff he'd be one of my favorite players.
I've never heard anything bad about Pierce so I can't really say.
Garnett is a good guy, hell he donated a million dollars to the famalies of Katrina.
Duncan didn't donate squat.
And how much did you give? Canned food doesn't count.
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Re: "Welcome to the era of chemacterility" Bill Simmons ESPN
The Spurs are the Spurs and the formula on which they are based will be difficult for anyone to copy. Duncan is basically the best team player of our era, and his modesty and approach to the game is not going to be repeated. Secondly, Manu and Tony were surprise superstars by NBA standards, with neither of them getting much hype prior to their ascent to stardom. I'm not sure international players like Parker and Ginobili will slip to the late first and second rounds very often anymore to help solidify the foundation of an already good team. Finally, as long as the Spurs are winning, decent veterans willing to buy into the system will want to join the team to round out the roster. Veteran guys trying to add a ring or two before retirement are pretty selective and only join an established winner. Up and coming teams usually don't snag those guys.
The Spurs are one of the established elite and should remain so as long as Duncan and at least one of the other two big three remain healthy.
Pop can rest easy.
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Re: "Welcome to the era of chemacterility" Bill Simmons ESPN
Chemistry and character are easy things when your team wins. That's why guys like Stephen Jackson, Antoine Walker, Jason Williams, Rasheed Wallace can be considered "good guys" on teams that win but lockerroom problems on teams that don't win.
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Re: "Welcome to the era of chemacterility" Bill Simmons ESPN
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Originally Posted by ShoogarBear
I disagree. I think the 2008 Celtics are the most hyped NBA team in years, approaching the status of the 2000s Lakers AFTER they won a title or two.
And it's only just started. Just wait until the NFL season is over.
You are right about Bill Simmons, though. According to that asshole, now that the Celtics are good, suddenly the NBA is saved. F off.
I think you'll like this forum:
http://www.sonsofthesportsguy.com/fo...wforum.php?f=1
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Re: "Welcome to the era of chemacterility" Bill Simmons ESPN
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Originally Posted by DisgruntledLionFan#54,927
Holy crap! Now that's obsession!