Re: Spanoulis Video Youtube "The Greek Steve Nash"
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Originally Posted by Scolarules
What's going on with Papaloukas and Diamantidis? If Billy doesn't want to play with the Rockets then what about these other two?
Well all Greek player hate Van Gundy he can forget ever have such player and any NBA team have him as coach. But in Greece Adelman liked very much. Player have much respect how his Kings team play goos Euro style also Peja remember plays in Greece with PAOK team before go NBA and Peja always say in Greek paper how great coach and nice Adelman be and how also understand Euro player. He have say before that coach like Van Gundy have very bad rep with Euro player and Spanoulis should have know better even bother go there in first place.
Anyway like say Papaloukas now stuck in contract with CSKA and already 30 I think he never go NBA now. Diamantidis hard to say. He also say Spanoulis best player in practice of national team and he also say he not go NBA after see how such player treat by coach. Diamantidis from Greek paper get full MLE offer before from Raptors team and also from Mavericks team. But thing with him is he kind of slow player.
he say this to he know he slow player and also he know he is role player of offense. He more like player like Bruce Bowen. But I think he better defender than Bruce Bowen and he much better at dribbling and passing ball about same as shooter I say. He also more athletic to I use the Amerikan system and I gets 7-0 for his wingspan and 42 inch for his jump and he 6-5 with shoe on. This good for point guard. But at NBA he be to slow I think for point guard I think he more like SF in NBA play same like Bruce Bowen do.
I think if use in same way like Bowen or Shane Battier he can be very good player more athletic than them and better defender but has to be like this he be role player defense as such in NBA and I think be play SF because to slow for NBA guards. Diamantidis have 2 year left on contract and have to have full MLE to get him. I know before he say one NBA team he think about is Spurs. If Rockets have him i think same type player as Battier but actual passing and dribbling skill, more athletic, better defense.
Papaloukas is much more talent player and much more offense and passing ability. Papaloukas more comparable to player like T-mac but Papaloukas not good defender he just average at Euroleague and he also to slow guard NBA guards I think. I think he be like the point forward like T-Mac if he go NBA with ok defense similar player. But Papaloukas drive ball to rim much more than T-mac do. Also like T-Mac he always seem injure or lazy take off game until have to play he remind me just like each other every way.
One Greek player of national team I know for sure can be great NBA player if just have normal coach be Spanoulis he much more talent and fast and quicker then these other player.
02-06-2008
Kill_Bill_Pana
Re: Spanoulis Video Youtube "The Greek Steve Nash"
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Originally Posted by Scolarules
How is 42 percent 2pt shooting aweful? He was a Euroleague MVP candidate.
I not think he on NBA level but then if I compare to player like Vaughn and Alston I wonder how he not in NBA when these player are.
02-06-2008
batboy
Re: Spanoulis Video Youtube "The Greek Steve Nash"
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Originally Posted by Kill_Bill_Pana
I not think he on NBA level but then if I compare to player like Vaughn and Alston I wonder how he not in NBA when these player are.
I thinked you not post here more. How post old thread when ask get out the fuck?
02-06-2008
Indazone
Re: Spanoulis Video Youtube "The Greek Steve Nash"
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Originally Posted by batboy
I thinked you not post here more. How post old thread when ask get out the fuck?
Give it a rest. This thread is more about the entire Greek squad now who's coming and who's not.
02-07-2008
Kill_Bill_Pana
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I hope this help fan understand. Here the article from the European reporter that explain how he feel. This from when him and friend Peja have meet with each other over how Van Gundy treat him.
The numbers are not drastically different, but the spotlight is. Quality international players that found, or tried finding, success in the NBA are returning to their European basketball roots, leaving the average basketball fan wondering what is going on. Bringing Vassilis Spanoulis to the NBA was sold as more than just another established player coming to the NBA, it was almost as if the Greek guard needed to be lured. Fast forward his 272 meager NBA minutes later: Spanoulis just finished competing in Eurobasket 2007 and is never coming back to the NBA.
And depending on which side of the Danube you might be getting your news from, Lithuanian floor commandant Sarunas Jasikevicius is bound for Spain or Greece. Or, yes, perhaps a dozen different NBA teams. But the point must not escape us: sitting on the bench 6000 miles away from home is, with every passing season, becoming less appealing to international players.
Because every season European basketball is getting stronger, and every other season there are the European basketball championships just like the ones that crowned Russia this weekend in Madrid. Instead of warming the bench, they were shinning in national armor, Sarunas leading Lithuania in assists (5.6), Spanoulis leading the Greeks in points (11.7). The last that the NBA fans saw of Jasikevicius was in May, when he was waiving a towel from the sidelines in a Golden State uniform. You should see him wearing his yellow green and red jersey through seven straight international victories...
Most Euroleague managers and coaches probably hope that even more players would consider returning home. In the finite world of quality basketball players, a stronger NBA means a weaker Europe, and more kids than ever before are leaving the Old Continent while still being just that - kids. In a meeting held last season in Barcelona, European basketball officials criticized the NBA for exactly that, claiming that drafting players that are not ready for the NBA hurts both sides of the Atlantic.
As the Spanoulis case has shown, not being ready is not only related to age. To get Spanoulis to candidly speak about his basketball feelings, it helped that I was actually visiting with his good friend and fellow Greek speaker Peja Stojakovic. When the topic of playing in the NBA came up, the reserved Greek was anything but: "I would love it here if I played", he said while sandwiched between Stojakovic and myself on the sidelines in New Orleans. "I miss all the people back home, so things here really have to change".
And the same world events that made it possible for him to come to the NBA -- European life, liberty and the pursuit of basketball -- are now making it possible for him to go back. Professional basketball players in Greece and Spain live a life almost no different than their colleagues in the NBA. It is no coincidence that Stojakovic and Spanoulis, both foreign-born basketball players, are friends. Almost all of the 26 teams with international players on the roster place their international players next to each other in the locker room. They show each other where to eat, shop, or hang out, what to drive and wear, and give each other advice on life in America.
Peja Stojakovic found his greatest basketball success outside of his native Serbia, first in Greece and then of course here in the NBA. As a fellow athlete that splits his time across two continents and three countries, Stojakovic had simple advice for Vassilis.
"Home is where your life is good."
And sitting on the bench is not a good life, even if the bench has an NBA logo on it.
02-07-2008
stxspurs
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so is he gonna play for us or not?........it wouldbe awesome if he lived up to killbillpanas hype......scola who
02-07-2008
Indazone
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If if if...but ya know what? Any Euroleague MVP candidate would be a good lift to an NBA team. This month it's Terrance Morris. Yes he's exploded in the Euroleague. Can he play in the NBA? Sure why not?
02-07-2008
ancestron
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aaaahhhh111!!!!!!
02-07-2008
Indazone
Re: Spanoulis Video Youtube "The Greek Steve Nash"
Euroleague Monthly MVP awards. - Basically the same as NBA Player of the Month.
I noticed that Spanoulis has won the award twice and so has another player. Marko Popovic. What's the story on this guy? I also want to know why Navarro and Garbajosa are playing Euroleague this year? Weren't they significant players in the NBA last year?
A familiar face is back among the weekly MVP winners, Marko Popovic of Efes Pilsen, who became the best player of Week 3 by leading his team to an overtime victory on the road against Olympiacos. Popovic scored 29 points on 6 of 11 three-pointers and 9 of 10 free throws. He dished 2 assists and drew as many as 13 fouls to reach an index of 31 and become the weekly MVP by a narrow margin. Popovic had previously earned MVP honors in Week 4 of the 2004-05 Euroleague regular season playing for Cibona with index ranking of 54, one of the highest ever. Behind him this week, just one point away with an index of 30, was David Andersen of CSKA, who scored 21 points on 8-for-9 shooting and grabbed 7 rebounds in his team's first victory, 87-63 over visiting Unicaja. Matt Nielsen of Lietuvos Rytas and Jeff Trepagnier of Ulker tied for the third place with indexes of 29. Nielsen had 27 points on 11-for-17 shooting and 6 rebounds in his team's prestigious road win against Winterthur FCB, while Trepagnier had 18 points and 5 steals as Ulker won its first at home against Pau-Orthez. Shammond Williams of Winterthur FCB (28) and Spencer Nelson of GHP Bamberg (28) complete the top performances of Week 3.
Meanwhile, there have been changes among the competition's overall statisticall leaders, with Nelson holding the highest index rating average, 23.3. Marcus Goree of Benetton is second (22.3) and Kaya Peker of Efes Pilsen third (21.3). Three players - Juan Carlos Navarro of Winterthur FCB, Jimmy Oliver of Union Olimpija and Goran Jagodnik of Prokom Trefl Sopot - lead the scorers table with averages of 19.3 points each. Mirsad Turkcan of Ulker is the new top rebounder, with 12.3 per game, after pulling 19 this week. And a center, Nikola Vujcic of Maccabi, continues to be first in assists, with 6.7 per game.
02-07-2008
Kill_Bill_Pana
Re: Spanoulis Video Youtube "The Greek Steve Nash"
You have wrong season.
02-07-2008
Kill_Bill_Pana
Re: Spanoulis Video Youtube "The Greek Steve Nash"
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Originally Posted by Scolarules
If if if...but ya know what? Any Euroleague MVP candidate would be a good lift to an NBA team. This month it's Terrance Morris. Yes he's exploded in the Euroleague. Can he play in the NBA? Sure why not?
He can play in NBA I say he be 8 to 9 player in rotation.
02-07-2008
Indazone
Re: Spanoulis Video Youtube "The Greek Steve Nash"
Ok, you're right I posted the wrong season. Here's the stat board for the current season. It says that Salyers is the top ranked player right now.
Marc Jackson is a proven NBA player so not sure what he's doing playing Euroleague ball. Couldn't he get on a roster anywhere?
If Jacksons defense as bad in NBA as is in Euroleague and Greek league I not see how he stay in NBA. His defense like joke so far.
02-27-2008
Kill_Bill_Pana
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New Spanoulis video be put on youtube by Greek fan call Vassilis Spanoulis KILL BILL The Splinter first video list here. I gives here. This one I think show he actual point guard skills not just combo guard or shoot guard like so many Rocket fan make up how to defend on what Van Gundy say that he not real point guard. This show good how he is point guard I think and can help Spurs not just as backup shoot guard but also as back up point guard.
I edits this show all the video together make it easier fan see as thread keep going in future if I post new thing. New video not see before here in this thread is first one below call The Splinter.
Vassilis Spanoulis KILL BILL The Greek Steve Nash
Vassilis Spanoulis EUROLEAGUE'S BEST POINT GUARD
02-27-2008
Flight3107
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Yeah, he sucks
02-27-2008
remingtonbo2001
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Kinda reminds me of Beno.
02-27-2008
coopdogg3
Re: Spanoulis Video Youtube "The Greek Steve Nash"
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Originally Posted by remingtonbo2001
Kinda reminds me of Beno.
OK, that is just plain cold.
02-28-2008
ata
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He's good, I'm just not sure the Spurs will spend that kind of money on a backup point guard when they have a greater need for small forward types. Depends on how the draft goes.
02-28-2008
wildbill2u
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Better to be a big frog in a small pond than a tadpole in a lake.
Add in the attraction of living at home and playing in front of nationalistic crowds, it's not hard to see why a good Euro player who can't crack a starting lineup would want to stay in Europe nowadays.
02-28-2008
Kill_Bill_Pana
Re: Spanoulis Video Youtube "The Greek Steve Nash"
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Originally Posted by ChumpDumper
He's good, I'm just not sure the Spurs will spend that kind of money on a backup point guard when they have a greater need for small forward types. Depends on how the draft goes.
His agent tell him now if he want decide go back NBA after Olympics then price be base on how him and Greece perform at Olympics. If Greece have another good performance like make Final Four of 3 of last 4 world championship or even better make final 2 like last one and if he lead team in scoring again like he do at 2006 world championship and 2007 European championship then many NBA team will be make offers.
But if Greece finish 5th again in Olympics like they do last time in 2004 not many offers agent think. Since Billy lead scorer of team and first offense option if healthy he should leads team in scoring. So issue be how well team perform. Agent say if Greece make final four of Olympic or get medal then many NBA team will be calling. So this will make much help for Billy if he want to return NBA.
02-28-2008
ata
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Wow, V-Span's agent is so smart! Is he Greek too?
02-28-2008
Kill_Bill_Pana
Re: Spanoulis Video Youtube "The Greek Steve Nash"
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Originally Posted by wildbill2u
Better to be a big frog in a small pond than a tadpole in a lake.
Add in the attraction of living at home and playing in front of nationalistic crowds, it's not hard to see why a good Euro player who can't crack a starting lineup would want to stay in Europe nowadays.
He not happy with how he be use right now by Panathinaikos. Panathinaikos team have problem because of Jasekivicius. He have biggest contract in Europe and deal that he must be allow run offense during Euroleague games.
Unfortunate for team they not realize he much worse player than he was before go to NBA. One of reasons he must struggle in NBA must be because his game skill must have start dropping about age he finally go there. Way he play now compare last year in Europe is joke. His salary and contract that says he must get certain minute and play style in Euroleague game is hurting Panathinaikos team bad.
Either Diamantidis or Spanoulis must play game as just spot up 3 point shooter like Bowen or Battier on offense. Also either of them must be on bench for him and his defense is horrible bad. Other teams are scoring 3 points on him all the time. At first when team have Tsartsaris healthy they getting by with this even though fan notice problem. But since Tsartsaris team starting center get injury now it causing problem.
In Greek league and Greek Cup Jasekivicius deal not have any power so coach can use him however he wants. He just come in as backup shooter for Spanoulis and team is much better even against good teams like Olympiacos.
Many Greek fan and Greek press are very upset with problems Jasekivicius is causing team. He refuse change his offense game for team and make coach use his plays and this hurt team. But PAO owner make all these agreement in contract to get him. Most PAO fan either wants him off team or at least make him break agreement where he must be in control of team in Euroleague games.
Spanoulis is only allow be main player in Greek league and Greek Cup and coach and most fans admit he best player on team and this causing problems.
02-28-2008
Kill_Bill_Pana
Re: Spanoulis Video Youtube "The Greek Steve Nash"
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Originally Posted by ata
Wow, V-span's manager is so smart! Is he Greek too?
No he Serbian. V-Span like his agent but I think his agent dumb. He have cause many problem for him before I keep try explain this.
02-28-2008
ata
Re: Spanoulis Video Youtube "The Greek Steve Nash"
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Originally Posted by Kill_Bill_Pana
He not happy with how he be use right now by Panathinaikos. Panathinaikos team have problem because of Jasekivicius. He have biggest contract in Europe and deal that he must be allow run offense during Euroleague games.
Now, please tell me again, which player has more playing time, better statistical rate etc.
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Unfortunate for team they not realize he much worse player than he was before go to NBA. One of reasons he must struggle in NBA must be because his game skill must have start dropping about age he finally go there. Way he play now compare last year in Europe is joke. His salary and contract that says he must get certain minute and play style in Euroleague game is hurting Panathinaikos team bad.
Either Diamantidis or Spanoulis must play game as just spot up 3 point shooter like Bowen or Battier on offense. Also either of them must be on bench for him and his defense is horrible bad. Other teams are scoring 3 points on him all the time. At first when team have Tsartsaris healthy they getting by with this even though fan notice problem. But since Tsartsaris team starting center get injury now it causing problem.
In Greek league and Greek Cup Jasekivicius deal not have any power so coach can use him however he wants. He just come in as backup shooter for Spanoulis and team is much better even against good teams like Olympiacos.
Many Greek fan and Greek press are very upset with problems Jasekivicius is causing team. He refsue change his offense game for team and make coach use his plays and this hurt team. But PAO owner make all these agreement in contract to get him. Most PAO fan either wants him off team or at least make him break agreement where he must be in control of team in Euroleague games.
Spanoulis is only allow be main player in Greek league and Greek Cup and coach and fans all admit he best player on team and this causing problems.
Of course, Greek league is so much weaker as Euroleague. Panathinaikos has enough player to rest Jasikevicius for Euroleague.
