why in gods name does pop keep insisting he take the last shot of the game.
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why in gods name does pop keep insisting he take the last shot of the game.
Sequ . . . this thread's for you!
I doubt the play was for him...I hope.
People need to quit thinking plays have only one option... in reality Bonner was probably the 4th option on that play
sequ is right bonner sucks
i just dont get why he is on the floor,
Barry was open ....
wtf, first time in the season that sth really piss me off...
bonner paniced...he should have swung the ball to barry who was wide open. IMO, bonner should not have been in the game.
Exactly right which also means the Spurs lack of execution was rediculousQuote:
Originally Posted by GINNNNNNNNNNNNOBILI
The play was drawn up for Manu to come off of a double screen on the baseline. Horry passed it to Bonner (who was a decoy on the play) because Bonner was open.
At least he was open until Battier's sliding tackle.
Bonner totally sucks when anything meanigful has to be done. HE SHOULD NEVER BE ON THE COURT IN CRUNCH TIME. Dorkavitch great coaching.
Test him now.
Sit his ass in the playoffs if he doesn't prove himself by then.
I don't want Parker shooting game winning free throws either.
In truth he was still open after the foul, but the man just can't make a critical shot.Quote:
Originally Posted by timvp
Bonner first mistake was trying to dribble. His next mistake was shooting it off the dribble. He's a standstill jumpshooter only. He needs to stop trying to do things he's not capable of doing
Coach Newman said Manu and Brent were the options 1 and 2 on the play
Pop put Bonner and Barry in for a reason...they had to be options. Bonner was put in the game for the last play, had a wide open 10-12 footer...couldn't have asked for a better shot actually.
If you don't want Bonner shooting a wide open shot, don't put him in.
If I was Houston, I woulda laid off Bonner too. Let him catch the ball and do something stupid. Just don't let Manu touch it.
Bonner had tunnel vision after he got the ball, it was him and the basket
We honestly must be the worst 4th quarter execution team in the league.
Although, judging by our wins within 5 points margin last year, the same could've been said then too
Interesting that Parker wasn't on the court.
And correct me if I'm wrong, but i can't think of a single time in Spurs uniform that Matt Bonner hit a shot in a close game in the final two minutes.
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Originally Posted by timvp
Wait, so Horry was supposed to pass the ball to Manu? Or first to Bonner, then Bonner to Manu? I'm just wondering who made the passing mistake...Horry or Bonner?
So he needs to make shots off balance with under 2 seconds to go in games? Got it.Quote:
Originally Posted by Tek_XX
This game isnt' on Bonner.
He shoudl have taken 3 seconds to survey the situation. Oh wait.Quote:
Originally Posted by Tek_XX
thats the point. he cant hit a clutch shot even if he's wide open, i would rather we put someone else on the floor.Quote:
Originally Posted by SouthernFried
It looked like he recovered to me, he just missed his one handed shot. Maybe he shouldn't be out there to bust up plays.Quote:
Originally Posted by MannyIsGod
The play was for Horry to inbound it to Manu in the corner for a three. Horry saw Bonner pop open and gave him the ball. Not a horrible idea by Horry since Bonner was open and Manu had a bit of trouble getting off the screens.Quote:
Originally Posted by greenleo
He was making those running bs attempts early in the season. He either got stripped like a fool or made the shot.Quote:
Originally Posted by SenorSpur
Still, Big Red should not dribble.
Yeah it makes a lot of sense for a guy who has hardly played in the 4th to come in on the last play to be the decoy. :dizzyQuote:
Originally Posted by timvp
Bonner had no business being in there.
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Originally Posted by timvp
Oh okay, thanks for the clarification. But didn't Manu get himself wide open? Do you think Bonner should have passed him the ball? OR not enought time at all?
Nobody said the loss was on Bonner. I just don't want to see him shooting runners at the end of games, at the beginning of games or any other time. He's a spot-up shooter. Stick with that.Quote:
Originally Posted by MannyIsGod
Down by 2 with 2 seconds to go in the game isn't exactly Christmas; you'll rarely get what you want.
If they left him open at the 3, he should take the shot.Quote:
Originally Posted by sa_kid20
Agreed. That's what I'm talking about. That's the shot he's most comfortable taking and that's the shot he's got a greater chance of making.Quote:
Originally Posted by BonnerDynasty
he shouldnt have been on the court.Quote:
Originally Posted by BonnerDynasty
Bonner made the right move. Battier was going out there to try to block his three-point attempt. Bonner can make that wide open five footer off the dribble.
And no, there wasn't enough time to pass to Barry or Manu.
If anyone is to blame it's Horry ... but with that little time to go and a player pops wide open, you pass him the ball. There was no guarantee that either Ginobili or Barry would have gotten open.
Bonner did everything right on that play other than make a shot where he was completely off balance after being fouled.
Bonner should stick to bricking shots.
Duncan needs to be the first option not Manu. He is the best and most reliable player on the team.Quote:
Originally Posted by timvp
Get the ball into Duncan always and have Parker cut to the basket for a possible pass from Duncan. If Duncan is double teamed there should be someone open for an open jump shot if Duncan can't hit Parker going to the basket. Duncan is the best option and he decides to either shoot it or pass it to Parker or pass it to the open man.
Precisely !Quote:
Originally Posted by MannyIsGod
Ginobili or Duncan would have gotten that foul called.
the only thing I want when we head into the AS break is this:
to be within 1-2 games of dallas/phoenix so we are in great position post AS break to have HCA throughout the west.
The most depressing thing for me about tonight's loss was that ball movement looked better in that first quarter than it had been in weeks for this team, but unfortunately everything went downhill from there.
Duncan really really needs an extra rebounder down there, so I dunno if we do need to explore trades or what but that shit is gonna kill us come playoff time.
You want to do all that in 2.4 seconds? :lolQuote:
Originally Posted by rascal
On the road, you usually go for the win. I agree with drawing up a play for a Ginobili or Barry three-pointer.
No and no, King James yesQuote:
Originally Posted by ATX Spur
Yeah he should but why even put him on the floor in that situation and leave anything to chance? I'm not knocking Bonner but wtf? If there was enough time for a drive and kick out thats different but with under 3 seconds it makes no sense to have him out there.Quote:
Originally Posted by BonnerDynasty
that sounds like something i said about the cowboys. "it was good pass coverage, up until the part where he caught the touchdown"Quote:
Originally Posted by MannyIsGod
Yeah I saw all the respec tDuncan got on a clean block down at the other end.Quote:
Originally Posted by ATX Spur
/sarcasm
This illustrates why Spurs fans should be on their hands and knees praying that Horry finds his game. Do you want Bonner or Elson playing key fourth quarter minutes in the playoffs ... or Horry?
Easy question.
My greatest fear is that Horry wont have any game left to find.Quote:
Originally Posted by timvp
yeah..because we have won many games like that..............Quote:
Originally Posted by rascal
refs are almost always hesitant to make calls with under 5 seconds to go, so I don't even know if manu or td woulda gotten that call.
we haven't beaten a +.500 team since November I believe.
i want horry of course...
i just thought that bonner could have passed the ball to barry...
but well probably it is like timvp says no enough time
I'm not talking only about this game but different types of scenarios or options the spurs may have if Duncan gets the inbounds pass . There was plenty of time for Duncan to get a shot off in this game. Get the ball to Duncan and more good can come out of it.Quote:
Originally Posted by adam8065
I love Horry but I really think he's done and should hang it up NOW. Give Bonner enough play time and he will be as good as Horry. The way Pop keeps benching him (Bonner) for long periods of time and then pulling him in cold at a clutch situation like tonight is pure bullcrap !!Quote:
Originally Posted by timvp
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Originally Posted by timvp
here's a question to your question:
If we're gonna say for the sake of argument that PHX and DAL aren't as good as last year (which is debatable, especially since it's only january) should Spurs fans still be worried seeing as how many holes this team appears to have and their inability to execute in the fourth?
I mean despite all our losing, we're still within a game of PHX/DAL, but even for January, this team seems off to me more so than in years past.
Should the fans be concerned? Do we need to explore any trades?
That's like saying do you want a doctor nearby you when you get shot, or Jesus Christ himself.Quote:
Originally Posted by timvp
First, I want Horry to catch his breath. He needs to get into game shape and get motivated to do those little intangible things that make him a great Spurs player...not just his ability to hit clutch 3s.Quote:
Originally Posted by SenorSpur
I think if he gets back to doing those little things (running the length of the court, being active on defense, blocking shots, setting up teammates from the high-post or top of the key), he'll already be more useful than what Elson or Bonner could give.
Bottom Line: Horry needs to get in shape and get motivated to play his heart out first and foremost. Anything beyond that, like finding his shot for instance, would just be icing on the cake.
One step at a time....
I think trade should always be in the back mind because if a good prospect comes along ....why not.....Quote:
Originally Posted by Amuseddaysleeper
I believe that this team needs something new and fresh so that can break the stagnate and static atmosphere that the spurs are in...
That is exactly what is scary about this. Horry does so much for this team - the intangibles, the intelligence, the savvy plays - that literally no one else on this team can do. If he's not on or somehow doesn't find his game, it will be a big blow to the Spurs championship aspirations.Quote:
Originally Posted by PHAT TONY
Duncan is a better shooter than both Manu and Barry. Its a higher % shot for Duncan. Only thing Duncan needs to work on his ft%.Quote:
Originally Posted by adam8065
Oberto seems to have regressed completely. He used to gets tons of easy baskets cutting into the lane, but now he's settling for outside jumpers and isn't rebounding nearly as well as he used to.
hahaQuote:
Originally Posted by rascal
The problem I have with TD taking close shots with less than 3 seconds left is that he almost always gets hammered and never gets the call in those situations.Quote:
Originally Posted by rascal
case in point: game 7 against the mavs in regulation.
he had a great shot against seattle in game 5 of the 2005 playoffs, but most of the time I'd rather drive and kick it out instead of forcing it in with very little chance of a foul call
Duncan is proven clutch.Quote:
Originally Posted by adam8065
Manu is clutch but is also proven TO clutch.
turnover.
yeah...but he is not a better shooter than manu or barry....Quote:
Originally Posted by BonnerDynasty
From the 3, no.
I know these statements I'm about to make are SO LAST YEAR, but I believe the Spurs FO should explore an opportunity to add one player to its roster. The scary thing is this team is STRUGGLING to score even when the Big Three are on the court.Quote:
Originally Posted by Amuseddaysleeper
Manu and Tony are the only players who can break down a defense and slash to the basket. Duncan is the only player who can score in the post. Outside of those guys, the offensive production has been very poor. This team is also deficient in rebounding and low on hustle and energy.
The Spurs DO need another player who either has a good midrange game and preferably can shoot the 3 very well. Of course, he should be at least an average or a "willing-to-be-average" defender.
I'm finally ready and willing for them to package Barry/Elson and get someone else here that can fill that void.
Possible trade targets:
Corey Maggette - Clippers
Mikael Pietrus - Warriors
Hakim Warrick - Grizzlies
History says that the Spurs should be fine. By the playoffs, whether the Spurs struggled or played well during the middle of the season is forgotten. I don't see anything happening right now that can't be corrected.Quote:
Originally Posted by Amuseddaysleeper
The Spurs were playing a lot worse this time last year. They looked dead in the water. This year it's not pretty but at least there is a light at the end of the tunnel.Quote:
Originally Posted by Amuseddaysleeper
One year the Spurs will dig their customary midseason hole ... and then find that they aren't able to flip the switch. So yeah, it's always a bit of a concern. I don't think that's the case this year but you never know.Quote:
Originally Posted by Amuseddaysleeper
As far as trades, I'm not really in favor of a trade at this point. Barry's contract is the best trade bait the Spurs have but I'd rather just keep Barry.
The only trade I make is for insurance. For example, if Parker's ankle becomes chronic, you might look to trade Elson's expiring contract for a quality emergency point guard. Or if Manu's finger doesn't heal, you might look to trade for a scorer. If everyone is healthy, I like how the team is currently constructed.
You don't know what I know. First off I am not a homer nor a genious nor am I stupid. And you must be some type of fag to bring up anyones cock in this discussion.Quote:
Originally Posted by adam8065
I know Manu is a better perimeter shooter but Duncan hits at a higher % hence he is (a better shot option) when you need one basket.
We don't need another 3 pt shooter. We have plenty.Quote:
Originally Posted by SenorSpur
I'd hate to get rid of Barry after he has FINALLY turned into the Barry we originally wanted.
Why would you consider free throw percentage when you are running a play with 2.4 seconds to go? The Rockets wouldn't foul on purpose and the refs likely aren't calling any fouls with such little time left.Quote:
Originally Posted by adam8065
Unfortunately, I think you understate it....Quote:
Originally Posted by SenorSpur
If Horry doesn't get in some kind of groove and the others continue to play as horribly as they have, I think there's almost no chance of a repeat.
The Spurs at that point would be forced to go strictly small-ball with their bench and would be at a great disadvantage regarding interior defense and rebounding.
Still, I wouldn't completely close the door on them...after all, they do have an all-timer, an NBA Finals MVP, and a World Champion. That's why I'll never stop believing.
They were willing to part with Barry two seasons ago for J.R. Smith. I would rather they don't trade him either, but if I could nab one of these guys for the same price, I do it.Quote:
Originally Posted by BonnerDynasty
As everyone knows, the Spurs have had their share of trouble repeating as champs. Obviously there are no guarantees with this current roster. And it appears as though cracks are starting to appear in the foundation of this roster.
Personally I'd rather they didn't wait until another failed playoff run to realize that they need to tweak the roster.
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Originally Posted by BonnerDynasty
The problem is that the Spurs desperately need another big, but there just doesn't seem to be one available via trade. Not one that fits with the Spurs long-term plan that is.
The one guy that I want to see the Spurs go after is a guy currently not playing on an NBA roster....PJ Brown.
If the Spurs could shed some salary, say by sending Elson to another team for a trade exception, then I think adding a veteran FA becomes a distinct possiblity.
Obviously it's just a wild guess, but I think it sounds as plausible as the next scenario.
PJ Brown>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Elson
Do it.
According to reports I've read, Brown has continued to rebuff offers from PHX and seems committed to staying out. Though he's not officially submitted his retirement papers.Quote:
Originally Posted by PHAT TONY
The reason I'd hesitate to lose Barry at this point is that he's actually playing well when he's on the court. And I don't JUST mean that he's hitting his shots, which he is, but also that he is doing a good job of keeping the offense flowing and finding teammates for scoring opportunities. That's something you're not gonna find with...say Finley.Quote:
Originally Posted by SenorSpur
I think he's also the de facto third PG right now.
Having said that, I'd get rid of him and Elson in a heartbeat if it meant getting Maggette.
Yeah I know...but PJ is a professional and deserves to be in a professional organization. One that knows how to win and takes care of its players (a.k.a. gets them rings!).Quote:
Originally Posted by SenorSpur
Still, I agree that it's a longshot.
Despite all the fans freaking out....I actually think ANY trade being made would be a longshot.
We all know the Spurs rarely make in-season trades, so I don't expect much either. Problem is Pop may be running out of the "we're soft, but we're going to do this ourselves" type of speeches.Quote:
Originally Posted by PHAT TONY
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Originally Posted by SenorSpur
What do you guys think of Bruce doing the exact same thing? I think that statement is one Bruce needs to read as well. Bruce is one of our best three point shooters capable of shooting 40+ percent. The thing is that lately he's not shooting any threes at all just trying some crazy drives that usually end up in a bad shot or turnover. Are you guys happy with Bruce doing this?
I still hold firm that IF the Spurs make a trade it would most likely be for a peripheral player and that the player the Spurs give up would be a peripheral player.Quote:
Originally Posted by SenorSpur
Honestly, I think that's why Elson-for-Pietrus makes sense. Neither player is really getting much burn for their team and both are set to leave their current teams at the end of this year.
I figure it's a no-lose situation.
Oh good. ANOTHER Bonner-hate thread. :rolleyes
I thought bonner actually played pretty good tonight... except for the last play of course, but he along with the rest of the team were playing great defense in the second half.
A) they couldn't rebound
B) refs didn't call shit on Scola even though he was raping Duncan in the ass while trying to get in position for those rebounds off the FTs
I agree with you. It is very unfair for these people on this Board to blame the loss of this game on Bonner. He missed one shot which happened to be the last and perhaps game-winning shot. Perhaps. But Duncan and Parker and others were missing many shots and free-throws all night that could have won this game before we had to take it down to 2.4 seconds. It was a collective effort and the Coaching left a lot to be desired as well. Sooo, onward and upward. Let's just hope that history repeats itself and we play much better after the All Star break. If not, no REPEAT.Quote:
Originally Posted by rAm
PJ Brown?
A 37 year old forward whos been sitting on his duff for about, 7 straight months now?
That's what you get for choosing bonner over scola.
It's what's potentially available....and better than Elson.Quote:
Originally Posted by T Park
Sorry, Dwight Howard's not avialable.
Sorry if I don't believe a late 30s power forward who couldn't jump to start with whos been laying around for 7 months isn't worth a shit, and no I dont think ANYONE available is worth going after.
dear god...Quote:
That's what you get for choosing bonner over scola