Time to Trade

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Originally Posted by MoSpur

I honestly think this is the season where Pop makes a pretty big trade before the deadline. This team is not very good the way it is right now and I don't see it changing for the better. IMO

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Could've said exactly the same thing at exactly the same time last year...

The only guy I'd part with from this roster is Elson - Udoka is rounding into form nicely, Barry's shooting and passing are essential to the bench, Bonner's energy can be fantastic if only Pop would use him properly.

However, something that must be considered in any trade is that it takes a long time for a player to get used to the system here, so either the player has to be very smart or able to contribute something largely outside of the system. Thus, I think it's unlikely that Pop makes a major trade. He might swap Elson for someone like Pietrus, but then again that would leave us short on bigs.

Most of the trades in this thread don't make any sense for both teams, but Elson for Pietrus actually does for both teams - Golden State are short on big men (Biedrins, Harrington IS IT!) and have too many wings, while Elson is the sort of big that can run the floor and thus would fit their system. Intriguing. But it relies on the premise that Horry still has something left in the tank, and I'm not very sure about that... he may be done. If that is the case, we'd then be severely short on bigs.

BTW, nice to have you back GW! :D

What about this Spurs-Hawks trade?
http://www.realgm.com/src_checktrade...radeid=4429530

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Originally Posted by manufor3

What about this Spurs-Hawks trade?
http://www.realgm.com/src_checktrade...radeid=4429530

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Although that's a good trade, I wouldn't trade for a developing big since we already have Mahinmi and Splitter coming in.

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Originally Posted by RuffnReadyOzStyle

Could've said exactly the same thing at exactly the same time last year...

The only guy I'd part with from this roster is Elson - Udoka is rounding into form nicely, Barry's shooting and passing are essential to the bench, Bonner's energy can be fantastic if only Pop would use him properly.

However, something that must be considered in any trade is that it takes a long time for a player to get used to the system here, so either the player has to be very smart or able to contribute something largely outside of the system. Thus, I think it's unlikely that Pop makes a major trade. He might swap Elson for someone like Pietrus, but then again that would leave us short on bigs.

Most of the trades in this thread don't make any sense for both teams, but Elson for Pietrus actually does for both teams - Golden State are short on big men (Biedrins, Harrington IS IT!) and have too many wings, while Elson is the sort of big that can run the floor and thus would fit their system. Intriguing. But it relies on the premise that Horry still has something left in the tank, and I'm not very sure about that... he may be done. If that is the case, we'd then be severely short on bigs.

BTW, nice to have you back GW! :D

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theres no way we can get rid of elson without another big man in return. horry is not gonna fill his shoes.

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Originally Posted by e20dylan

theres no way we can get rid of elson without another big man in return. horry is not gonna fill his shoes.

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Where's Melvin Ely when you need him?

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Originally Posted by e20dylan

theres no way we can get rid of elson without another big man in return. horry is not gonna fill his shoes.

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Well, Elson isn't in the rotation outside garbage time, so there are no shoes to fill. Injury would be the concern.

how about a trade for kaman?

chewbaca

YOU KNOW WHAT THEY SAY- IF ITS NOT BROKEN DONT FIX IT. The spurs is not a losing team as of yet. Its only that, the contest this year in the west is tougher, so no team can go ahead decisively at this point (so that fans like us can feel easy and secure). So don't go crazy calling the handyman!

I don't think a trade would suit the spurs' best interest. I would rather keep the current roster and add new guys through free agency. The biggest mistake, Pop made when they got the championship way back in 2004 was to make major changes in the roster the subsequent year (I'm talking about stephen jackson). I think Pop recognized this too...that's why he opted to stick with last year's lineup. Unfortunately, injuries took its toll on the team (because of the wear and tear I guess...) that why we are slumping a bit.

Rebuilding is for the post season not for the mid-season. Teams who trades at this time are those teams who are desperate for a breathe of air and seeking to change their misfortune. It's a short term (and wrong) solution for a long term problem. If I were the knicks or heat I'd do it!

I know, there has been trades that benefited some teams but this only comes once in a blue moon. I don't think it's wise to bet our title defense on sheer luck. I'd rather stick with the original plan than re-plan everything in the middle of the season (unless of course, trading was originally part of the plan).

The team still needs its first quality backup PG since Speedy Claxton and Terry Porter before him.

And a shot in the arm.

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Originally Posted by Ghost Writer

The team still needs its first quality backup PG since Speedy Claxton and Terry Porter before him.

And a shot in the arm.

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I cringe at the thought of it but Fisher would have been a perfect fit.

http://www.mysanantonio.com/sports/b....4b2d8b3e.html

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Do you think the Spurs will make some moves before the deadline? They could use another guy that can create his own shot. Perhaps addition by subtraction? What are your thoughts?

-- Rohit, Toronto

A deadline deal for another shooter/scorer certainly isn’t out of the question. Certainly, the Spurs have enough expiring contracts to make one feasible.

Whether or not the Spurs opt to wade into the trade market will depend in large part on how they diagnose the problems that have led them to sink to sixth place in the West. There is a sense within the organization that the Spurs have been losing because they’ve been injured. Now that they’ve returned to full strength, the belief is that the Spurs should be getting their groove back any time now.

If that happens, we’d bet against any kind of extreme makeover between now and Feb. 21. If the team continues to struggle even while healthy, then all bets are off.

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Found this at the bottom of the Duncan All-Star article. I find it interesting that he points out the need for another shooter/scorer and not for frontline help.

I think this fits right in line with the possibility of Mickael Pietrus, Rasual Butler, Damien Wilkins, JR Smith, and probably a few others that I've forgotten.

Looks like it's at least a legitimate discussion if they continue to struggle.

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Originally Posted by genomefreak13

I don't think a trade would suit the spurs' best interest. I would rather keep the current roster and add new guys through free agency. The biggest mistake, Pop made when they got the championship way back in 2004 was to make major changes in the roster the subsequent year (I'm talking about stephen jackson). I think Pop recognized this too...that's why he opted to stick with last year's lineup. Unfortunately, injuries took its toll on the team (because of the wear and tear I guess...) that why we are slumping a bit.

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Isn't it interesting how the Spurs have not been able to adequately replace the skills and mindset that Jax brought to the table. Yes we've won titles since his departure - which "waters down" my point somewhat. Also, saying that Jax has had off-court issues would be a collosal understatement. However, the dude was a key contributor to that 2003 championship team. His shooting, on-court killer instincts and skills have been missed.

Senor Spur, you may not remember me, but I am the biggest S-Jax fan. The tradeoff of dealing with the antics of a balla is that a guy like that has the balls to take the big shots and rallies the troops on the sidelines.

And I don't remember him getting into trouble in San An.

Incidentally, he is Captain of the Warriors now.

But looking forward, it would be nice to have some athleticism and creaivity in the rotation outside of the Big Three.

could devin brown have been a "future stephen jackson" for us or are their games that different?

I mean S Jax had some major kahunas when it came to taking big shots, but I always felt Brown could've developed real nicely (though I was still iffy on his jumper) had he stayed.

Devin Brown did not have "it." The fact that he has failed to distinguish himself on the offensively-challenged Cavs with former Spurs assistant Mike Brown as the coach speaks volumes. You mean to tell me he could not beat out Hughes or Gibson or Pavlovic?

D. Brown has no range, which S-Jax has.

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Originally Posted by Ghost Writer

Senor Spur, you may not remember me, but I am the biggest S-Jax fan. The tradeoff of dealing with the antics of a balla is that a guy like that has the balls to take the big shots and rallies the troops on the sidelines.

And I don't remember him getting into trouble in San An.

Incidentally, he is Captain of the Warriors now.

But looking forward, it would be nice to have some athleticism and creaivity in the rotation outside of the Big Three.

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My apologies GW. I certainly did forget that you, sir, have been a long time, card-carrying member of the S-Jax fan club. Gotta give you your props on that one. :toast

It would've been interesting if the Spurs and Jax could've worked out a way to stay together. Who knows? Perhaps the Spurs would've never needed to sign Barry in the first place. I know, I know. The "what if" game again.

I don't see them bringing anyone this season, unless the bottom completely falls apart and they stay around a 5th or 6th seed for the duration.

But again I'm with you on this one GW. I'm hoping the Spurs get this B2B championship first, then go out and finally bring up some much-needed athleticism at the 2-3-4 spot. Ideally, a mid-range-aged player (Jones, Maggette) and a young rook would be ideal.

Jack is not available.

Who is?

Of all the players that can be traded, I wouldn't mind see Elson go. Wally sounds like a good candidate; I was a big fan of his when I lived in MA. He didn't get as many Tommy points as Ricky Davis did, but he did a great job there.

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Originally Posted by ChumpDumper

Jack is not available.

Who is?

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Apparently Nocioni...

http://www.realgm.com/src_wiretap_ar...ade_with_nets/

Possibilities including a proposed Spurs trade (bottom of page 1) here:

http://www.realgm.com/boards/viewtopic.php?t=753239

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Originally Posted by Ghost Writer

Senor Spur, you may not remember me, but I am the biggest S-Jax fan.

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What? :dizzy

I've been a Jack fan since the days you were sharing beds with men in your hotel while saying Whitney>Parker.

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Originally Posted by pad300

Apparently Nocioni...

http://www.realgm.com/src_wiretap_ar...ade_with_nets/

Possibilities including a proposed Spurs trade (bottom of page 1) here:

http://www.realgm.com/boards/viewtopic.php?t=753239

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Since the Spurs really only have expiring deals to offer, I'm not sure a trade could be worked out with the Bulls.

Scola for Ginobili! lol

lakerfans are funny. rocketfans, not so much.

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Originally Posted by ChumpDumper

Since the Spurs really only have expiring deals to offer, I'm not sure a trade could be worked out with the Bulls.

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That is essentially the deal being discussed with NJ

Nocioni and Selofosha for Magloire (Expiring), Nachbar (Expiring), Marcus Williams (2nd year prospect PG, who doesn't seem to be panning out), Antoine Wright (Expiring). It needs some fine tuning to make it work by the CBA (as Nocioni is BYC).

The Bulls would probably only keep two of those players. Given the relative youth of those involved, it's fair to think it's not just a salary dump. I think they are interested in Williams since Gordon and Duhon are likely gone after the season -- this might have triggered several other deals for them.