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Re: Swingmen That I Wish We Still Had Now
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Originally Posted by Ghost Writer
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Stephen Jackson
Captain Jack is playing All-Star basketball. He can score from anywhere and defends, too. Plus, he plays with passion.
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Hedo Turkoglu
This late-bloomer may have surpassed Rashard Lewis as the second-best player on the Orlando Magic. Hedo is scoring close to 20 a game and has emerged as the Magic's big shot man.
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Raja Bell
Bell is a younger Bruce Bowen, but more versatile on offense. His defense keeps improving.
Oh yeah... these guys are all under 30.
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Re: Swingmen That I Wish We Still Had Now
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Originally Posted by ploto
It would have been Jax or Hedo instead of Barry. The difference in annual salary is only about $700,000 this year and that is 4 years into the contract. It was only about $500,000 the first year.
And we never won again.
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Re: Swingmen That I Wish We Still Had Now
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Originally Posted by Ghost Writer
Hedo Turkoglu
This late-bloomer may have surpassed Rashard Lewis as the second-best player on the Orlando Magic. Hedo is scoring close to 20 a game and has emerged as the Magic's big shot man.
Spurs fans never seemed to understand just how young Hedo was when he was on the Spurs because he came to the NBA so early. He is younger than Devin Brown. He is called a late bloomer here but he is only 28 years old.
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Re: Swingmen That I Wish We Still Had Now
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Originally Posted by ChumpDumper
And we never won again.
You know the question was about salary and not winning-- and as a matter of fact, the person who asked said under "the salary cap" and I assume he meant under the luxury tax threshold.
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Re: Swingmen That I Wish We Still Had Now
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Originally Posted by Ghost Writer
1.
Stephen Jackson
Captain Jack is playing All-Star basketball. He can score from anywhere and defends, too. Plus, he plays with passion.
2.
Hedo Turkoglu
This late-bloomer may have surpassed Rashard Lewis as the second-best player on the Orlando Magic. Hedo is scoring close to 20 a game and has emerged as the Magic's big shot man.
3.
Raja Bell
Bell is a younger Bruce Bowen, but more versatile on offense. His defense keeps improving.
Oh yeah... these guys are all under 30.
George Gervin
Mike Mitchell
Alvin Robertson and his on the ball "D" would be great on this team.
Unless you mean currebt active players.
Hedo? The one that had the "dear in th headlights look" during that Lakers' series?
SJax, definitely.
Reje Bell. okay.
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Jackson was a cap casualty when FO was focused on Jason Kidd in 03. Hedo was a one year fill in and was a free agent the same year as Ginobili in summer of 04. The FO was not going to spend $85M in contracts on two guys playing the same spot. I can't remember if TP's long term contract was also done in 04 or not. I think it was. The payroll was budgeted and some very nice players ended up going away.
Jackson would have been a nice keep here, but the timing was bad. He has really blossomed over the years.
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Re: Swingmen That I Wish We Still Had Now
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Originally Posted by Ghost Writer
Oh yeah... these guys are all under 30.
Raja Bell isnt
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Re: Swingmen That I Wish We Still Had Now
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Originally Posted by ploto
You know the question was about salary and not winning-- and as a matter of fact, the person who asked said under "the salary cap" and I assume he meant under the luxury tax threshold.
In Hedo's case, it was more a matter of priorities. Manu was the priority that summer and he could not be signed while Hedo's unrenounced value was taking up all the available cap space that summer. Maybe we can labor under the idea that Manu and his agent would have waited while they tried to negotiate a deal with Hedo that was small enough to ensure they could match another team's offer to Manu -- but I find that extremely improbable.
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Re: Swingmen That I Wish We Still Had Now
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Originally Posted by Harry Callahan
Jackson was a cap casualty when FO was focused on Jason Kidd in 03.
Who did we get back then again?
Bell is 31.
Sorry.
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Re: Swingmen That I Wish We Still Had Now
To be fair...I don't really remember Ghost ever being a Rasho sucker...doesn't seem like the kind of player Ghost would like.
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Re: Swingmen That I Wish We Still Had Now
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Originally Posted by whottt
I was a Rasho Sucker.
Yeah, and so was Ghost.
I tried to warn the Spurs about Rasho while GW was singing his praises.
Apologies Accepted.
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Re: Swingmen That I Wish We Still Had Now
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Originally Posted by Ghost Writer
Who did we get back then again?
Bell is 31.
Sorry.
The spurs traded Danny Ferry's expiring contract for Ron Mercer and Hedo in the summer of 2003. Rasho also came in that summer taking Robinson's spot.
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Re: Swingmen That I Wish We Still Had Now
Raja Bell is like our 4th or 5th option on offense, but he's largely considered to be the heart of the Phoenix Suns. (Assuming Nash is the Brain, Amare is the muscle, Marion the blood, and Boris Diaw the vagina.) He's a fan favorite, and a great addition to any team.
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Re: Swingmen That I Wish We Still Had Now
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Originally Posted by timvp
Erroneous!
Look at the date of that post.
That was after we whiffed on a superstar and needed someone to play center.
Don't even start, timvp.
I didn't want Kidd. I wanted Brand and settled for Odom. I wanted 'Kandi before Rasho.
I was the first to say the Holt-ing Pattern was a colossal mistake... as early as 2001, I believe.
Relax.
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Re: Swingmen That I Wish We Still Had Now
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Originally Posted by Harry Callahan
Jackson was a cap casualty when FO was focused on Jason Kidd in 03.
Jackson would have been a nice keep here, but the timing was bad. He has really blossomed over the years.
Of the few FO blunders the Spurs have made, the ill-conceived dalliance with J-Kidd was their 2nd biggest blunder. It's clear that the pursuit of J-Kidd influenced the type of contact offer they initially gave Jax. Thus forcing him to go elsewhere.
Even with Jax leaving, they could have softened the blow had they simply chosen Josh Howard, who mysteriously fell to them @ pick #28 of 2003 draft. Instead, they foolishly passed on him only to have the Mavs take him with the next pick. The guy has only blossomed into an all-star caliber SF who is averaging close to 20 ppg and is a very, competent defender. Had they chosen Howard, all this annual debate about a "long-three" would have been moot. In my mind, that comprises the biggest major blunder ever by the FO.
All this have been very strange because the Spurs have yet to adequately replace the youthful energy, shooting, killer mindset that Jax brought.
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Re: Swingmen That I Wish We Still Had Now
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Originally Posted by timvp
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Re: Swingmen That I Wish We Still Had Now
Oh and for the record...
Whatever you may think my stance on Rasho is or was, you're wrong.
I said Rasho was talented but that his lack of aggression was not something Pop would ever be able to fix and that would be a problem because Spurs fans wanted David Robinson for the MLE...
I was right...he is talented, Pop couldn't fix his lack of aggression, and Spursfans do still want David Robinson for the MLE...
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Re: Swingmen That I Wish We Still Had Now
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Originally Posted by ChumpDumper
No one does. This is just another useless wouldashouldacoulda thread. At least he had a suggestion for the present in the Delonte thread.
Not really because like I've said before after Jackson's season in Atlanta and Hedo's poor playoff performance there was absolutely nothing stopping the Spurs from giving Stephen Jackson the midlevel exception money that they gave to Barry. For some crazy reason the Spurs thought Barry would be better.
Also, I'm not sure if this is true, but at the time over at SR I remember reading someone saying that Tim Duncan called up S-Jax after the playoffs and told him "I want you back on the team". I think the Spurs would have had a real good chance at getting him back if they were willing to pay him. If he said no then fair enough, but I'm not sure the Spurs even tried or if he was even in the plans at that point?
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Re: Swingmen That I Wish We Still Had Now
Jack - yes, but he chose to leave.
Hedo - Vagina in the clutch. No thanks.
Bell - An older (31, another GW mistake), more psychotic version of Udoka. No thanks.
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Re: Swingmen That I Wish We Still Had Now
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Originally Posted by Harry Callahan
The spurs traded Danny Ferry's expiring contract for Ron Mercer and Hedo in the summer of 2003. Rasho also came in that summer taking Robinson's spot.
Sam Presti may have actually screwed us over. If he didn't come up with that amazing deal maybe the Spurs offer S-Jax a little more money and he resigns.Llooking back it now I think I would have preferred that Presti not come up with that deal in the first place.
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Re: Swingmen That I Wish We Still Had Now
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Originally Posted by Ice009
Sam Presti may have actually screwed us over. If he didn't come up with that amazing deal maybe the Spurs offer S-Jax a little more money and he resigns.Llooking back it now I think I would have preferred that Presti not come up with that deal in the first place.
As assistant GM, how could Presti have had such influence on R.C. to have made such a blunder?
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Re: Swingmen That I Wish We Still Had Now
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Originally Posted by SenorSpur
As assistant GM, how could Presti have had such influence on R.C. to have made such a blunder?
None of us knew Hedo was going to do what he did in the playoffs. It was a great move at the time, but we didn't know that Hedo was going to bomb out in the playoffs so i'm just saying it would have been better if Presti wasn't so smart to come up with the trade idea in the first place ;)
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Re: Swingmen That I Wish We Still Had Now
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Originally Posted by whottt
lmao. That roster is dead on.
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Re: Swingmen That I Wish We Still Had Now
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Originally Posted by Ghost Writer
Erroneous!
Look at the date of that post.
:lol
What does the date of the post have to do with it? You were down with the Rasho signing ... as the record clearly states.
:smokin
