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Dude, in terms of +/-, Vaughn was one of our better players tonight. Duncan was a -22 and Parker was a -16. How could you say the Hornets "killed the Spurs when his ass was out there" when the Spurs obviously played better with his ass on the court?Quote:
Originally Posted by SequSpur
Look at the numbers first, fucktard.
ShoogarBear's game thoughts:
Oh, shit.
Byron Scott gets criticized for being a hardass who doesn't pamper rookies.Quote:
(Speaking of Byron Scott, why doesn’t he get more respect? He took a very average New Jersey Nets team to the Finals in back-to-back seasons and now he has a young team that has no home court advantage playing better than anyone else in the Western Conference.)
In other words, the same things Jerry Sloan gets praised for.
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Originally Posted by Spaceman Spiff
How many offensively challenged players can Pop get on this team? Elson, Vaughn, Oberto, Horry, Bruce are barely getting 2 points a game lately. That is a joke. Someone needs to get in the role players faces and tell them they need to start giving us something more than NOTHING. Now if their shots aren't falling they need to play their asses off on defense, rebound do something other than nothing. I know TD isn't one to do something like that, but maybe he should have a word to them.
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Originally Posted by ShoogarBear
Byron Scott seems to be hated by his players more than Sloan...and that's what leads to the criticism.
Jason Kidd(who got him fired from New Jersey) and Baron Davis immediately come to mind...there are others.
Scott is probably more like Pat Riley than he is Jerry Sloan...and Riley wasn't always that popular with his players either.
You may be right in some ways, but Scott isn't a self-serving publicity hound like Riley.Quote:
Originally Posted by whottt
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Originally Posted by ShoogarBear
The knock I've always heard on Riley is that he is the Supreme control freak of all time...especially at the end of his coaching career with the Lakers. Which was a big reason why his coaching career with the Lakers came to an end.
Byron Scott has said Pat Riley is a tremendous influence on his coaching style...well what ever that influence is...it involves pissing off HOF PG's. Because that's also what Riley did.
Doesn't mean he's a bad coach...I agree Byron Scott is a good coach. Look at how the Nets went into the toilet after he left.
Just like Pat Riley is a pretty good coach.
And all great coaches tend to be control freaks...
But there's some kind of line there that some coaches don't cross and others do...and Scott has evidentally crossed that line at times. That's the reason he doesn't get much respect...because his star players have gotten him fired or demanded to be traded. So the perception is that he does something wrong somewhere...beyond the x's and o's.
Another great postgame analysis by TimVP, who certainly reigns supreme over any Express News beat writer.
Anyway, I can't seem to shake that stigma off of Paul's back, the one where, although a freshman but it was his only year in college, he led Wake Forest to a first round choke in the NCAAs. But then again Tim was part of that FIBA Olympic debacle....okay, back to more important things.
I'm not the least bit concerned about the Spurs right now, tomorrow or the rest of the season... assuming Parker does not have a lingering injury. I keep hearing that Parker has some heel discomfort or something like that.
I recall a four game losing streak with two home losses to Eastern conference fodder at the time, like Toronto, a few years ago. That was in January like this is now and I remember how disgusted people were at the Spurs for being softer than tissue. Yesterday was ugly, and at some point the Spurs have to show cracks and age, but I feel that come playoff time this team will be better than last season's, particularly because of Udoka.
But like TimVP said, the Rodeo Road Trip will reveal a lot about this team.
Good one! :lolQuote:
-Robert Horry was again active and moving well. His execution is way off and he’s not really helping the team much right now, however he looks a lot better than he did a couple weeks ago. He no longer looks like he has two feet in the grave anymore. Pathetically enough, his 1-for-5 shooting from the field tonight actually raised his field goal percentage.
TIMVP
Love your game thoughts as I can't watch games from where I live.
Just wondering if the omission of Oberto by design?
Too much reliance from the 3-pnt line again and awfull conversion at 2 of 20.. The Spurs have to take the open 3's and knock them down but there's been too many in your face attempts (Manu). Others are settling for the 3 way too easily after moving the ball around. In turn Tim misses out and not much offense gets run.
Agree, he needs to get the ball more.
I agree completely. Either Pop had a lobotomy before the game or he decided to the the team try and figure out how to defend the same plays that were killing them repeatedly. If it was they latter, they sure failed miserably.Quote:
Originally Posted by timvp
There are a couple of things I really hate about the defense currently. One is that guys seem to be sending help defense a lot more compared to last year. This leads to us doubling players that I think shouldn't really command a double team. Against teams that swing the ball well, this always leaves a guy wide open for shots.
I also don't understand why we're so quick to switch defenders on picks. Parker and Duncan repeatedly switched on picks leading to Tim guarding Paul and Parker guarding West.
The last thing is our serious lack of shotblocking. Horry is playing so poorly he doesn't see the court enough to block a lot of shots. Ditto for Elson. Tim just seems a step slow this year in his defensive positioning to block shots and sometimes even when he is in position, he doesn't challenge shot because he seems scared to get into foul trouble. All this has made our interior defense very poor this year. Teams aren't scared to take it to us in the paint.
No shit. Every goddamn time Vaughn comes in at point, the Spurs either give up a lead if they have one, or they get buried in a hole.Quote:
Originally Posted by SequSpur
If we don't get a better backup, we can forget about a finals appearance. We may not even get in the playoffs.
And it's not just the Hornets. It happens against almost every team we play.
It may not be his fault, but it happens too often to just be coincidental.
twohandjam comes in after a loss.
Shocking.
Horry played a good game last night WTF...
I can't see many games since I live in Houston. What exactly were the two plays and what is the defect in the defense? From a brief comment later I deduce that our pick and roll defense was one culprit, but which players/positions were exploited?Quote:
Originally Posted by timvp
i agree with timvp's observations. one thing i would like to see is ime getting more burn. he understands the schemes now so reward him with more minutes at the expense of finley and bowen. i'd also like to see manu stop chucking step back 3's. how about manu dribbling in and taking a mid range jumper if he can't get to the rim. david west killed us last night simply by hitting that mid range jumper. in fact, it seemed like the same play that dallas runs against us with dirk getting those same mid range shots. it's clear that scott realized that was a weakness of our and exploited the hell out of it.
I think that people have very short memories and because it worked last year, they want to claim that this streak is no big deal. I keep reading that the Spurs do this every January, but if you look back at the 2003 and 2005 championships, they were not won in this manner.Quote:
Originally Posted by Pistons < Spurs
January 2003 11-3
January 2005 12-4
TPark still clueless.Quote:
Originally Posted by T Park
Check.
Direct and to the point.Quote:
Originally Posted by peskypesky
Duncan is the key to this team, he's been turning it up, it's time to feed his fire.
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Originally Posted by GrandeDavid
Are these guys starting to show their age? I have faith they will pull it through and come April and May this team will be clicking on all cylinders but a concern is Tony's nagging injury and the latest injury to Brent. And is Roho finished or does he have one more left in the tank
[/QUOTE]I think that people have very short memories and because it worked last year, they want to claim that this streak is no big deal. I keep reading that the Spurs do this every January, but if you look back at the 2003 and 2005 championships, they were not won in this manner. [QUOTE]
I know it would pain you for them to win, but this team is better than their play indicates.
Horrible for you to think about I know.
All I know is that the Spurs gotta beat Portland and put the Rockets right back in the middle of the playoff picture.
If 1-5 = a good game for Horry then he should retire. He can't score the basketball and we already have enough guys in the rotation who can't score. He is an offensive abyss. At least with Bonner he can knock down an open three and somebody has to pay attention to him.Quote:
Originally Posted by T Park
Pop is playing Horry purely for his defense, but he's too slow too often to contribute. If Bonner or Elson could play any defense at all, they'd be in there instead of Horry, but I would argue this team has more offensive problems than defensive ones right now.
Especially when Manu is playing with the second unit. Now that Barry is out again, the only guy he can even pass the ball to is Udoka. He must be going crazy with frustration.
Also, I thought TimVP took it too easy on Parker on his evaluations. Defensively he was our worst player. Even Bill Land and Elliott, who normally never criticize any Spurs, pointed out that Parker being soft on the screens was why Peja eventually got all the open looks.
I can't believe we kept switching the screens all night. That's lazy. Good defenses don't switch on screens. We had Duncan guarding Paul and Tony guarding West all night. This kind of stuff gets you clowned by Charles and Kenny on TNT.
Oh and if the Spurs keep playing like this...what is it. 5-5 over the last 10 games and the Rockets continue to play like they have 8-2 over the last 10 games...Rockets will pass the Spurs up. 4 games back that's what the margin is right now.
I find this comment very odd. Finley was at least twice as good of a player with the Mavs as he is with the Spurs.Quote:
Originally Posted by timvp