Flopping

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Originally Posted by milkyway21

Flopping is an ART.

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It ought to be a "lost art."

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Originally Posted by GSH

Let's see... the Spurs are so single-minded about defense that they are often accused of being "boring". The Suns have been among the highest-scoring teams in the league for years, because they say "fuck defense" and run-and-gun for 48 minutes.

And yet the no-defense Suns are capable of drawing more charges than the Spurs, who you say are the most prolific floppers in the league. Wouldn't you think that a team that focuses on the defensive end of the court AND flops more than any other team in the league, would show a little more results for their efforts?

What you're saying is that the Spurs flop more than any other team, and they aren't smart enough to realize that it isnt' giving them any advantage?

This has to be some kind of a late April Fool's joke. No one... not even a devoted Suns homer... could be that fucking ignorant. Could they?

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:readingNo thats not my claim. Dude,my claim is that ALL teams use it, but that the SPURS use it more often than most(including the SUNS)....thats all.
Show me a SUNS homer & i'll show you a SPURS homer.
Once again, drawing charges does not=flopping.
I'm arguing a point that's obviously relative to the colors we wear on game night.

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Originally Posted by mojorizen7

:readingNo thats not my claim. Dude,my claim is that ALL teams use it, but that the SPURS use it more often than most(including the SUNS)....thats all.
Show me a SUNS homer & i'll show you a SPURS homer.
Once again, drawing charges does not=flopping.
I'm arguing a point that's obviously relative to the colors we wear on game night.

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i dont have the link, but im sure it will come up on google... the nba has a skills tape for rookies and refs, and guess who they used to teach what a charge is? i dont remember if that was 04 or 05 but go look it up, manu has "textbook" technique. the celtics also had a vid of him taking hard fouls and just getting up and sinking the freethrows, another good lesson for the suns.

you're right, drawing charges isnt the same as flopping. but from simply seeing games, i can see the suns flop just as much as the spurs do, and often with much worse technique. amare almost injured nash in that magic game, and it was really weak to see nash kick felton, he could have ruined his career. at least make it look questionable instead of just turning and kicking like that. :stirpot:

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Originally Posted by mojorizen7

:readingNo thats not my claim. Dude,my claim is that ALL teams use it, but that the SPURS use it more often than most(including the SUNS)....thats all.

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Really? How? Guess what? I disagree, I claim that ALL teams use it, but the Suns use it more often than most (including the SPURS).

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While Bell is a flopper that'll use his drama skills to draw a whistle Nash is a guy that will actually try to get position,hold his ground and take a hit to draw the offensive foul.

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I'll agree that Nash usually does take the real charge, he isn't beyond flopping himself. Just look at the end of game 2 and tell me that wasn't a flop trying to get a call on Ginobili. Suns damn lucky they didn't call one on Nash, send the Spurs to the line and let them retain the ball. I think that's what it is if the foul occurs before the ball has been inbounded?