I'm getting sick of this hack a shaq BS...

I'm getting sick of this hack a shaq BS. Honestly, it's been played out....And I agree the rules need to be changed if any nba team can use a deficiency of one great player to dominate all the momentum.

It's unreal that Spurs fans are advocating so hard for doing this. I loved it in choice moments in the first game but this is just ridiculous...It's bad for the game to make hack-an-anybody a go to defensive mode. This might just ruin what was an epic series for me.

The Spurs have always been about winning the right way. That is how it should be, not like this.

stfu kent

shaq earns 20m a season, doesnt hurt his earnings to go out hire a ft shootin coach.

Bring it bitch. At least I'm a fan of the game, it takes serious homer glasses to enjoy a team winning via hack a shaq.

Pop is making this a mental game. :lol
Poor Shaq. Can't defend the pick 'n roll. Can't shoot free throws. Major exploitation!

I'm a fan of the game. Shaq embodies everything that's wrong with the American game. Get big, strong, and you don't have to have shit in the way of fundamentals.

And then you get owned with something braindead like Hack-a-Shaq. Shit happens. Learn how to shoot.

Who gives a shit? Hack a Shaq is not the reason why the sons are losing.

I would have liked to see the Spurs play this game without relying on hacking Shaq at any point in this game. It's insulting to think the Spurs couldn't have gutted out the victory without it.

The league can't change it now, not after all the history with it.

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Originally Posted by DespЏrado

I'm getting sick of this hack a shaq BS. Honestly, it's been played out....And I agree the rules need to be changed if any nba team can use a deficiency of one great player to dominate all the momentum.

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If one player at the NBA level making OVER 20 MILLION DOLLARS PER YEAR shoots free throws worse than your AVERAGE high school player, -THAT- is the BS, my friend.

It is a travesty that Shaq won 4 titles in this league simply because he was bigger than everyone else and could throw elbows and dunk.

If Shaq was even 6'5", he never would have made it to a D-I college school, let alone the NBA.

THAT is the disgrace.

If Snaq can't hit his god damn free throws, he deserves to be exploited.

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Originally Posted by DespЏrado

I would have liked to see the Spurs play this game without relying on hacking Shaq at any point in this game. It's insulting to think the Spurs couldn't have gutted out the victory without it.

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What are you talking about? The Spurs have been leading this whole game. They went with that strategy when they were up. And it actually brought the sons closer.

My point is before this series, hack a snaq wasn't even an after thought. So why now? Why make the change for just one player?

Must the sons have all the rules changed just to cover up their shortcomings?

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Making Shaq shoot free throws is the equivalent of forcing a guy to go left when he can only dribble with his right hand. It's his job to fix his weakness, not your job to be nice.

deSPURado, I don't think you'll find many people who give a shit. Humiliate the guy. He spends most of his time throwing cheap elbows and over accentuating fouls so that he can throw his arms around. I have no sympathy for him. This doesn't taint a thing for me.

1 qtr to go.

Parker is a straight pimp.

He's gettin blown tonight.

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Originally Posted by DespЏrado

Bring it bitch. At least I'm a fan of the game, it takes serious homer glasses to enjoy a team winning via hack a shaq.

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Shut the fuck up and enjoy the beauty of Parkers game tonight.

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Originally Posted by Cry Havoc

If one player at the NBA level making OVER 20 MILLION DOLLARS PER YEAR shoots free throws worse than your AVERAGE high school player, -THAT- is the BS, my friend.

It is a travesty that Shaq won 4 titles in this league simply because he was bigger than everyone else and could throw elbows and dunk.

If Shaq was even 6'5", he never would have made it to a D-I college school, let alone the NBA.

THAT is the disgrace.

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And that is completely missing just how good Shaq actually was. He was athletic enough to put that body to good use. I can't believe I am defending this asshole to spurs fans, but wtf? Hatred sometimes begets begrudging respect, and you had to respect Shaq's shoulder lowering game.

But this might be Shaq's last good run at the ship, and I will respect the nemesis that lead to such heartbreak for the Spurs for so many years.

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Originally Posted by Aggie Hoopsfan

Making Shaq shoot free throws is the equivalent of forcing a guy to go left when he can only dribble with his right hand. It's his job to fix his weakness, not your job to be nice.

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That is the full answer to this thread. To win basketball games, you have to be and play smart. That's what fouling Shaq is. Make him shoot 2 shots, which usually he'll make 1. Stragegy.

Fuck respect for Shaq. Trust me, he'd have no respect for you.

He respects nothing but the paycheck and the celebrity. Nothing more. Hack his fat ass all god damn game if he can't make his fucking throws.

just shut the fuck up already...

I don't see any thing wrong exploring a player's weakness...
so he sucks at FT and we can't send him to the line?
WTF is wrong with you

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Originally Posted by Aggie Hoopsfan

Making Shaq shoot free throws is the equivalent of forcing a guy to go left when he can only dribble with his right hand. It's his job to fix his weakness, not your job to be nice.

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Playing defense takes effort, Otherwise everyone would magically be able to force Manu to go right. Hack a Shaq takes zero energy and effort. It's BS. It's like cheering for the special olympic kid to make his free throws.

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Originally Posted by tmtcsc

deSPURado, I don't think you'll find many people who give a shit. Humiliate the guy. He spends most of his time throwing cheap elbows and over accentuating fouls so that he can throw his arms around. I have no sympathy for him. This doesn't taint a thing for me.

1 qtr to go.

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It isn't tainted for me because the Spurs would have won anyways the way they were playing, but now we are robbed of the opportunity to have the proof of that.

As fans of the game we are seeing a gimmick being used as a go to defense. It's ridiculous and insulting. And it sure as hell isn't in the spirit of the game. Nor is it winning the right way.

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Originally Posted by DespЏrado

I'm getting sick of this hack a shaq BS. Honestly, it's been played out....And I agree the rules need to be changed if any nba team can use a deficiency of one great player to dominate all the momentum.

It's unreal that Spurs fans are advocating so hard for doing this. I loved it in choice moments in the first game but this is just ridiculous...It's bad for the game to make hack-an-anybody a go to defensive mode. This might just ruin what was an epic series for me.

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*sniff sniff*

Do you cry everytime the coach of your favorite baseball team calls for an intentional walk to get to a batter who's in a slump? Do you hang your head in shame everytime the coach of your favorite football team tells his QB to keep picking on the CB who has already given up 110 yards and 2 TD's?

Didn't think so.

Same concept here. Use their weakness as an advantage.

Shaq's had an entire NBA career to improve his free throws. Blame him, not the Spurs.

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Originally Posted by DespЏrado

It isn't tainted for me because the Spurs would have won anyways the way they were playing, but now we are robbed of the opportunity to have the proof of that.

As fans of the game we are seeing a gimmick being used as a go to defense. It's ridiculous and insulting. And it sure as hell isn't in the spirit of the game. Nor is it winning the right way.

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Winning is the right way. If Snaq is too much of a dipshit to improve his free throw shooting, he deserves to be exploited like a porno skank in a gangbang.

The Spurs aren't breaking any rules. Simple as that. If you don't like watching the Spurs win, I'm sure arizonasportsfans.com could use another cryer on their board.

why penalize a team for exploiting a weakness on the other team. what next, penalize teams that can score in the paint because the other team can't hit layups? shaq needs to become a better free throw shooter.

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Originally Posted by IceColdBrewski

*sniff sniff*

Do you cry everytime the coach of your favorite baseball team calls for an intentional walk to get to a batter who's in a slump? Do you hang your head in shame everytime the coach of your favorite football team tells his QB to keep picking on the CB who has already given up 110 yards and 2 TD's?

Didn't think so.

Same concept here. Use their weakness as an advantage.

Shaq's had an entire NBA career to improve his free throws. Blame him, not the Spurs.

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Baseball deserves no mention with basketball. The game has been so tainted by the use of steroids that it's ruined the nature of the sport.

Hacking Shaq is a poor substitute for good team defense.

Snaq missing free throws is a poor substitute for scoring points.

Fuck him.

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Originally Posted by DespЏrado

Baseball deserves no mention with basketball. The game has been so tainted by the use of steroids that it's ruined the nature of the sport.

Hacking Shaq is a poor substitute for good team defense.

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Whatever. Hitting your free throws would render this argument moot. Blame Shaq for not hitting them, not the Spurs for taking advantage of this weakness.

Hack a Bowen used to be a tactic employed by other team in past playoff series. If there's a weakness, exploit it.

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Originally Posted by Strike

Winning is the right way.

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Not really no. Steroids can give an edge to a player in most sports, so winning isn't the measuring stick by itself if the measuring stick can be bent. Merely winning without rules and a spirit of the game is meaningless. It ceases to be a sport and is just about who can exploit the rules better.

Are we beating the Suns down because of hack a shaq? No most definetely not. But we cheapened the game tonight by denying the Suns a chance to play their offense against our defense for a pretty damn crucial period of this game.

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Originally Posted by DespЏrado

Playing defense takes effort, Otherwise everyone would magically be able to force Manu to go right. Hack a Shaq takes zero energy and effort. It's BS. It's like cheering for the special olympic kid to make his free throws.

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It takes zero effort for Shaq to back someone down with his fat ass and then turn and dunk, but I don't see you on here crying about that or begging for it to be outlawed.

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Originally Posted by DespЏrado

Not really no. Steroids can give an edge to a player in most sports, so winning isn't the measuring stick by itself if the measuring stick can be bent. Merely winning without rules and a spirit of the game is meaningless. It ceases to be a sport and is just about who can exploit the rules better.

Are we beating the Suns down because of hack a shaq? No most definetely not. But we cheapened the game tonight by denying the Suns a chance to play their offense against our defense for a pretty damn crucial period of this game.

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i was trying to give you the benefit of the doubt...are you really a spurs fan???

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Originally Posted by DespЏrado

and you had to respect Shaq's shoulder lowering game.

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You just offered the textbook definition of a charge. I rest my case.

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Originally Posted by DespЏrado

We cheapened the game tonight by denying the Suns a chance to play their offense against our defense for a pretty damn crucial period of this game.

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Ok, how about Pop pulls duncan so the Suns have a CHANCE. Or maybe the Spurs just stop rebounding altogether. You know, so the Suns have a CHANCE. Or how about the Spurs just forfeit the next two games. Just so the Suns have a CHANCE!

Are you a closet Suns fan? Good Christ! I can't believe you would even defend Snaq's fat overrated ass!

Take your ass over to phxsuns.net

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Originally Posted by Aggie Hoopsfan

It takes zero effort for Shaq to back someone down with his fat ass and then turn and dunk, but I don't see you on here crying about that or begging for it to be outlawed.

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I did when he used to do it against DRob/ Malik/ Rasho/ etc. in his day. Shaq has gotten away with more offensive fouls in a single series against the Spurs than most players have in a career.

But don't let that stop you from cheering the exploitation of the rules....Make no mistake it is taking an advantage of a rule designed to be a deterrent/ reward.

I hope the NBA fixes it, because it is bad basketball.

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Originally Posted by VaSpursFan

i was trying to give you the benefit of the doubt...are you really a spurs fan???

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Need to see my ticket stub from the memorial day miracle?

I'm glad the Spurs won, and Tony played a hell of a game. It was a good win overall, but I hope we don't run into another poor ft shooting team in these playoffs. It's shit to watch when we hack a player to avoid having to play defense.

How is it exploitation of the rules? How would it be any different than fouling him as he goes up to shoot and making him shoot FTs instead of letting him get a dunk or a layup?

Maybe we should outlaw the pick and roll too, because Shaq's fat ass couldn't handle that either, and clearly that wasn't fair to the Suns defense that we exploited their D like that at a key time in the game, right?

You sound like a friggin' Suns fan. Or D'Antoni.

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Originally Posted by DespЏrado

I hope the NBA fixes it, because it is bad basketball.

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What the fuck? Are you that fucking dense? What part of GOOD basketball involves NEVER developing a shot outside of 6 feet? Hell, even STAT has that! Yao Ming a guy with bigger hands than Shaq can hit from range!

How the FUCK is shooting 50% at the fucking FREE THROW LINE GOOD FUCKING BASKETBALL?

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Originally Posted by DespЏrado

I did when he used to do it against DRob/ Malik/ Rasho/ etc. in his day. Shaq has gotten away with more offensive fouls in a single series against the Spurs than most players have in a career.

But don't let that stop you from cheering the exploitation of the rules....Make no mistake it is taking an advantage of a rule designed to be a deterrent/ reward.

I hope the NBA fixes it, because it is bad basketball.

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this is silly. people strategically exploit gaps in rules all the time whether it's basketball or corporate america. the way to prevent you from getting your ass handed to you is to become proficient at that weakness...i.e., snaq practicing his free throws.

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Originally Posted by DespЏrado

I'm getting sick of this hack a shaq BS. Honestly, it's been played out....And I agree the rules need to be changed if any nba team can use a deficiency of one great player to dominate all the momentum.

It's unreal that Spurs fans are advocating so hard for doing this. I loved it in choice moments in the first game but this is just ridiculous...It's bad for the game to make hack-an-anybody a go to defensive mode. This might just ruin what was an epic series for me.

The Spurs have always been about winning the right way. That is how it should be, not like this.

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Dude seriously......freethrows are the easiest shot in the game besides a layup......hell, it may even be easier because noone can contest it. You have to learn to shoot free throws if you want to play basketball. Defending Shaq is just dumb. Learn how to play basketball before you open your pie hole next time.

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Originally Posted by Cry Havoc

How the FUCK is shooting 50% at the fucking FREE THROW LINE GOOD FUCKING BASKETBALL?

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I agree completely, however it's not any better basketball to foul said player to avoid playing defense.

Trust me Despurado...this is the one and only team we'll be hacking. No other team we could face has a player with such a glaring weakness at FT shooting. There's Ben Wallace, but the Cavs aren't getting out of the East.

I dont understand the whining......this is basketball, you exploit the other teams weakness.

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Originally Posted by DespЏrado

Need to see my ticket stub from the memorial day miracle?

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And? I'm sure there's a Blazers fan or two with a ticket stub from that game.

It's not exploitation. It's strategy. But if you want the Suns to have a CHANCE to win, give Pop a call. I'm sure he'll take time out of his day to listen to you.

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Originally Posted by Aggie Hoopsfan

How is it exploitation of the rules? How would it be any different than fouling him as he goes up to shoot and making him shoot FTs instead of letting him get a dunk or a layup?

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It is an exploitation of the rules in that in that free throws were explicitly created as a penalty to prevent body contact that would otherwise disrupt a good shot.

A penalty that has been expanded to include the use of time management in a close game. But taking what was first instated as a penalty and using that to not have to play defense is an obvious exploitation.

I hated it back when other teams hacked Bowen or Duncan and I hate it now. It is shit basketball.

Do you really believe--honestly--that the Spurs are trying to avoid playing defense? It may not be the most popular thing to do, but the real problem lies in Snaq's fat hands.

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Originally Posted by jmard5

Pop is making this a mental game. :lol
Poor Shaq. Can't defend the pick 'n roll. Can't shoot free throws. Major exploitation!

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Coach Brown just said that on radio. It's not only the FTs but the way they play after the hack a Shaq

Fine. Go support the Suns.

Give a guy a bagful of money and he complains about the bag. In the name of everything that is holy the Spurs just won a game in dominating fashion and a fan is nitpicking a facet of a beautifully played game. Relax and just enjoy the exhibition of basketball that we just had the privilege of seeing.

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Originally Posted by adam8065

It is a great tactic and it takes the Suns out of their rhythm, but your too stupid to see that.

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No I am remembering 2006 when AJ used hack a Bowen during a crucial stretch against the Spurs that might have cost us the title.

But I guess it's a great strategy :rolleyes ....When the Spurs do it

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Give a guy a bagful of money and he complains about the bag.

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If I quoted posters in my sig, this would be one I'd use.

Call us Floppers now bitch.

Shaq shouldn't be able to throw is fat ass around either.

This thread is beyond stupid. It's up there with SpursDynasty21 threads. Congrats OP. :toast

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Originally Posted by BonnerDynasty

Call us Floppers now bitch.

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Pass me off as a Suns fan if you want... I'm still rooting for the Spurs.

A real Spurs fan would remember our history with hack a whoever...and not be so quick to cheer its return to these playoffs. Especially while we still need a player like Bowen on the floor if and when we meet the Kobe lead Lakers.

They are free points to be had and he can't take advantage. A similar situation occurs late in a game when teams keep fouling to avoid time been wasted, trying to make a comeback. That's why when the spurs are in that situation they take Bowen out.

This is Shaq's problem and the Suns have to deal with it.

Nobody thought it was a bad ploy when they used to foul Bowen all the time for exactly the same reason--to exploit his weak foul shooting skills. Pop sometimes had to hide him on the bench to counter it.

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Originally Posted by DespЏrado

Pass me off as a Suns fan if you want... I'm still rooting for the Spurs.

A real Spurs fan would remember our history with hack a whoever...and not be so quick to cheer its return to these playoffs. Especially while we still need a player like Bowen on the floor if and when we meet the Kobe lead Lakers.

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If the Spurs were to lose to such a stupid tactic then they don't deserve to even play in the first place.

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Originally Posted by DespЏrado

I'm getting sick of this hack a shaq BS. Honestly, it's been played out....And I agree the rules need to be changed if any nba team can use a deficiency of one great player to dominate all the momentum.

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What's the problem brother? Don't be a whiny winner.:lol

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Originally Posted by DespЏrado

It isn't tainted for me because the Spurs would have won anyways the way they were playing, but now we are robbed of the opportunity to have the proof of that.

As fans of the game we are seeing a gimmick being used as a go to defense. It's ridiculous and insulting. And it sure as hell isn't in the spirit of the game. Nor is it winning the right way.

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You're looking at it the wrong way if you think this is Pop's defensive plan. It's not even about that anymore. He has employed it while the Spurs were trailing, and while the Spurs were leading. 4th Q, 2nd Q, 1st Q... He's just toying with Shaq now, disrupting Phoenix's offense, keep the Suns guesging. It's a brilliant move because the Suns can't buckle down and toughen up mentally. If they are able to do that, Pop would drop this like a hot potato. But they're playing right into his hands.

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Originally Posted by DespЏrado

No I am remembering 2006 when AJ used hack a Bowen during a crucial stretch against the Spurs that might have cost us the title.

But I guess it's a great strategy :rolleyes ....When the Spurs do it

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It is a great strategy. We'd be pissed, but it's within the rules.

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Originally Posted by wildbill2u

Nobody thought it was a bad ploy when they used to foul Bowen all the time for exactly the same reason--to exploit his weak foul shooting skills. Pop sometimes had to hide him on the bench to counter it.

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Really not in 2006 and fans were calling for AJ's head when he used it when the Mavs were ahead.

Look I don't even mind Hack a shaq so much as a means of catching up to a team, but using it to avoid playing defense is just weak ass basketball. And the Spurs sure as hell didn't look like the weaker team tonight did they?

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Originally Posted by NASpurs

If the Spurs were to lose to such a stupid tactic then they don't deserve to even play in the first place.

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That's it you're catching on. Who's next that wants to defend this BS?

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Originally Posted by DespЏrado

That's it you're catching on. Who's next that wants to defend this BS?

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Exactly it's stupid yet it's effective if the player can't shoot FTs and the coach is an idiot. You seem to have some kind of selective hearing going on here.

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Originally Posted by DespЏrado

That's it you're catching on. Who's next that wants to defend this BS?

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"You may advance and be absolutely irresistible if you make for the enemy's weak points; you may retire and be safe from pursuit if your movements are more rapid than those of the enemy."

- Sun Tzu

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Originally Posted by carina_gino20

You're looking at it the wrong way if you think this is Pop's defensive plan. It's not even about that anymore. He has employed it while the Spurs were trailing, and while the Spurs were leading. 4th Q, 2nd Q, 1st Q... He's just toying with Shaq now, disrupting Phoenix's offense, keep the Suns guesging. It's a brilliant move because the Suns can't buckle down and toughen up mentally. If they are able to do that, Pop would drop this like a hot potato. But they're playing right into his hands.

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+1...we have a winner!!!

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Originally Posted by DespЏrado

Pass me off as a Suns fan if you want... I'm still rooting for the Spurs.

A real Spurs fan would remember our history with hack a whoever...and not be so quick to cheer its return to these playoffs. Especially while we still need a player like Bowen on the floor if and when we meet the Kobe lead Lakers.

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not you, Shaq

my bad :(

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Originally Posted by DespЏrado

I'm getting sick of this hack a shaq BS. Honestly, it's been played out....And I agree the rules need to be changed if any nba team can use a deficiency of one great player to dominate all the momentum.

It's unreal that Spurs fans are advocating so hard for doing this. I loved it in choice moments in the first game but this is just ridiculous...It's bad for the game to make hack-an-anybody a go to defensive mode. This might just ruin what was an epic series for me.

The Spurs have always been about winning the right way. That is how it should be, not like this.

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I'm ashamed of this guy using my name for this pieboy post...

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Originally Posted by NASpurs

Exactly it's stupid yet it's effective if the player can't shoot FTs and the coach is an idiot. You seem to have some kind of selective hearing going on here.

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It's a game changing kind of effectiveness. And it's weak sauce especially since the Suns were never able to recover from it in tonight's series deciding game, since no team has ever recovered from down 0-3.

I don't want any part of a Spurs team that ever has to use such a strategy, as anything more than a gimmick. Three straight games in which crucial momentum shifting moments were stifled was weak. It was painful to watch.

Call me a purist, but the game should be played not over burdened with free throws.

I absolutely love the tactic. Pop is psychologically pissing on the entire Suns organization. It doesn't matter if Shaq hits every single one of his free throws, because it completely prevents the three point shooters from getting any momentum at the ends of quarters. Mentally weak teams don't do well having to sit there between periods thinking about how badly they are doing.

Secondly, and allow me to make this very clear: Fuck the Suns. They've had no class for years and can't admit that they lost to a better team. They lobby for suspensions, hurl accusations and blame everyone else for their failures, and I'm sure the Spurs are completely sick of it. They deserve no mercy. Fucking eliminate their asses and move on.

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Originally Posted by Cry Havoc

"You may advance and be absolutely irresistible if you make for the enemy's weak points; you may retire and be safe from pursuit if your movements are more rapid than those of the enemy."

- Sun Tzu

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War is different from a sport...In war the trojan horse is a brilliant plan. In basketball I don't want to see Duncan dressed as the Suns gorilla. :lol On second thought maybe that would be classic.

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Originally Posted by Obstructed_View

Secondly, and allow me to make this very clear: Fuck the Suns. They've had no class for years and can't admit that they lost to a better team. They lobby for suspensions, hurl accusations and blame everyone else for their failures, and I'm sure the Spurs are completely sick of it. They deserve no mercy. Fucking eliminate their asses and move on.

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I agree but the Spurs are better a better team/ organization than the Suns in every way. Why stoop when we had their jugular in hand?

All Shaq would have to do is hit 55% (still a pathetic number) from the line to make this strategy unusable.

It's HIS fault (and all his). Not Pop's, not Stern's, not the Refs, and not even D'Antoni's. Shaq is a PROFESSIONAL. And that many people on this board could go out and hit more FTs than him should EMBARRASS him to the point of improving.

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Originally Posted by DespЏrado

Really not in 2006 and fans were calling for AJ's head when he used it when the Mavs were ahead.

Look I don't even mind Hack a shaq so much as a means of catching up to a team, but using it to avoid playing defense is just weak ass basketball. And the Spurs sure as hell didn't look like the weaker team tonight did they?

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Again, this is not true. You think Pop doesn't trust his defense enough to play it straight up? This is just a mental game Pop is playing. He doesn't care if Shaq makes all of them. He's just toying with them, and it's worked brilliantly.

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Originally Posted by DespЏrado

It's a game changing kind of effectiveness. And it's weak sauce especially since the Suns were never able to recover from it in tonight's series deciding game, since no team has ever recovered from down 0-3.

I don't want any part of a Spurs team that ever has to use such a strategy, as anything more than a gimmick. Three straight games in which crucial momentum shifting moments were stifled was weak. It was painful to watch.

Call me a purist, but the game should be played not over burdened with free throws.

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Wow. What do you want them to do? Allow the Suns to gain some steam? Let them get into a run, out of a crucial game-changing moment? Shouldn't you be happy the Spurs are actually stopping the suns from gaining momentum?

Spurs are up 3-0 i am happy as can be.

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Originally Posted by carina_gino20

Again, this is not true. You think Pop doesn't trust his defense enough to play it straight up? This is just a mental game Pop is playing. He doesn't care if Shaq makes all of them. He's just toying with them, and it's worked brilliantly.

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Probably true. And it worked brilliantly. But why should we support a strategy whether it's used against us or by us that detracts from the game as a whole? Why should I support the use of something that gives the Spurs an advantage they didn't earn?

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Originally Posted by DespЏrado

It's a game changing kind of effectiveness. And it's weak sauce especially since the Suns were never able to recover from it in tonight's series deciding game, since no team has ever recovered from down 0-3.

I don't want any part of a Spurs team that ever has to use such a strategy, as anything more than a gimmick. Three straight games in which crucial momentum shifting moments were stifled was weak. It was painful to watch.

Call me a purist, but the game should be played not over burdened with free throws.

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Call me a purist, but the best way to hurt teams' fouling is to knock down the shots. Crazy idea and all...

WGAF, We're Up 3-0 forum.

All I can say is 3-0. You don't get fucking style points for victories.

Like everyone stated before, it's not totally about Shaq making FTs. Its about disrupting the Suns offensive rhythm and preventing big runs at the Spurs.

Of course it's not pretty to see, but if you wanted pretty, you would be a Suns fan.

reposting what I wrote in the other thread:
Oh and if you don't like the thread I made...Don't click it. Simple as that. Deep down inside I think everyone knows I'm right on this. TIMVP was quick to denounce it in his game thoughts.

It would have been nice to see the Spurs win playing straight up defense tonight, and that's something we as Spurs fans were robbed of tonight. We were robbed of a chance for a clean kill.

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Originally Posted by DespЏrado

I agree but the Spurs are better a better team/ organization than the Suns in every way.

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Why give a team that can suddenly score points any momentum going into the end of a period? Why give a team at home any chance to come back from a double digit deficit? Why assume that just because you are a better organization that another team can't beat you? Why let up when you have a chance to crush the spirit of a team that badly fucking needs its spirit crushed?

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Originally Posted by DespЏrado

Why stoop when we had their jugular in hand?

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Since when is it "stooping"? Just when the Spurs do it? Seriously, get off your high horse. This has been going on for years. It's a tactic that's been used dozens of times, and it happens to be a big part of the reason the Spurs are now firmly in control of the series. And believe me, the sooner the Spurs get the fuck out of this series, the better. Nothing good can come of this series going any longer than it has to. I say remember Juwan Howard and do everything within the boundaries of the rules to move onto the next round ASAP. If you don't like it, lobby to have the rule changed.

Wow. Is this what we're reduced to?

We're actually arguing about HOW THE SPURS WON THE FUCKING GAME!!!

Pathetic.

I like what Van Gundy said about it tonight. He and Jackson were talking about whether a rule should be made to stop this kind of thing. He said something like you do not legislate a rule to make up for someone's lack of skill.

The thing is, you talk about being a purist. I'm a basketball purists, also, and being that horrible at making free throws pisses me off way more than this tactic. This guy is making enough money to put a little extra time in the gym shooting free throws. The fact that most junior high kids have a better free throw percentage than this guy is absolutely pathetic.

Also, you kind of answered your own question as to why it is used. Why not use a perfectly legal tactic on the Suns from which the Suns can't recover? It would be stupid not to, when it's been so effective. Why not use a perfectly legal tactic to crush the opponents momentum? What was Pops supposed to do while the Suns made their comeback? Should he use a tactic that he knows has been successful, or twiddle his thumbs like D'antoni would have done?

The fact that it works so well is a black mark against the Suns, not the Spurs. If the Suns were mentally tougher, then this wouldn't be an issue. The mental aspect of the game is just as important as the physical aspect. Teams have always tried to find new ways to get into the opponents heads, from calling a time out before a free throw to making a hard foul on someone who keeps coming into the lane a bit too easily.

I don't like Hack-a-Shaq but it has worked beautifully for all but the third quarter of Game 2. D'Antoni has helped it work at times (and so have the refs by calling Shaq for lane violations for the first time ever). I think the Spurs could would have won these games with or without Hack-a-Shaq so it's not too much of a concern. It's more just a funny ploy at this point than anything that is or isn't effective.

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Originally Posted by DespЏrado

It would have been nice to see the Spurs win playing straight up defense tonight, and that's something we as Spurs fans were robbed of tonight. We were robbed of a chance for a clean kill.

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What a load of BS. Win or go home. The Spurs have their sights set on loftier goals.

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Originally Posted by DespЏrado

Probably true. And it worked brilliantly. But why should we support a strategy whether it's used against us or by us that detracts from the game as a whole? Why should I support the use of something that gives the Spurs an advantage they didn't earn?

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WTF? It's only an advantage because Shaq can't make freethrows. Whatever. So many people have tried explain it, but you still don't get it.

Why wouldn't I support a strategy that is perfectly legal and has been effective thus far in this series?

I'm outta here. Peace out.

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Originally Posted by Obstructed_View

What a load of BS. Win or go home. The Spurs have their sights set on loftier goals.

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Yeah and no one represents a threat to the Spurs in the West that the Suns did this series. Why not prove it by beating them straight up?

Oh well guess that's why I'm not payed millions to coach, but wtf ever. The Spurs won. I'm going to enjoy what was going to be a victory regardless, but I would have liked to see the Spurs gut it out with their defense. Again we could have beaten the Suns straight up but relying on a damn gimmick was just taking the cheap way out of what could have been an otherwise epic destruction of one of our most hated rivals.

Good for all the spurs fans in here who can enjoy the victory without my reservations.

DespЏrado might have a point in that 2007 will be viewed as "Suspension Asterisk" and 2008 could end up being view as "Hack-a-Shaq Asterisk". But F the media. They were riding the Suns' nvts coming into this series. They have to save face.

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Originally Posted by Strike

Fuck respect for Shaq. Trust me, he'd have no respect for you.

He respects nothing but the paycheck and the celebrity. Nothing more. Hack his fat ass all god damn game if he can't make his fucking throws.

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yea that

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I like what Van Gundy said about it tonight. He and Jackson were talking about whether a rule should be made to stop this kind of thing. He said something like you do not legislate a rule to make up for someone's lack of skill.

The thing is, you talk about being a purist. I'm a basketball purists, also, and being that horrible at making free throws pisses me off way more than this tactic. This guy is making enough money to put a little extra time in the gym shooting free throws. The fact that most junior high kids have a better free throw percentage than this guy is absolutely pathetic.

Also, you kind of answered your own question as to why it is used. Why not use a perfectly legal tactic on the Suns from which the Suns can't recover? It would be stupid not to, when it's been so effective. Why not use a perfectly legal tactic to crush the opponents momentum? What was Pops supposed to do while the Suns made their comeback? Should he use a tactic that he knows has been successful, or twiddle his thumbs like D'antoni would have done?

The fact that it works so well is a black mark against the Suns, not the Spurs. If the Suns were mentally tougher, then this wouldn't be an issue. The mental aspect of the game is just as important as the physical aspect. Teams have always tried to find new ways to get into the opponents heads, from calling a time out before a free throw to making a hard foul on someone who keeps coming into the lane a bit too easily.

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I agree with you, but that doesn't mean I like it. It's one of those things that I would rather the Spurs not have to rely on. And I think it was unwarranted in this game. We had the Suns number. They would have made a run but it wouldn't have stopped Parker and Manu from tearing them a new one...

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Yeah and no one represents a threat to the Spurs in the West that the Suns did this series. Why not prove it by beating them straight up?

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Um, they have. Three times in a row now.

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Originally Posted by DespЏrado

but I would have liked to see the Spurs gut it out with their defense.

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Then you should have been watching, because they have. Three times in a row now.

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Originally Posted by DespЏrado

Again we could have beaten the Suns straight up but relying on a damn gimmick was just taking the cheap way out of what could have been an otherwise epic destruction of one of our most hated rivals.

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No otherwise. It's an epic destruction. I'm not sure how a team that the Spurs so completely own is considered a rival.

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Originally Posted by DespЏrado

Good for all the spurs fans in here who can enjoy the victory without my reservations.

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Like anyone needs your approval. :sleep

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DespЏrado might have a point in that 2007 will be viewed as "Suspension Asterisk" and 2008 could end up being view as "Hack-a-Shaq Asterisk". But F the media. They were riding the Suns' nvts coming into this series. They have to save face.

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The only way 2008 becomes something-asterisk for the Spurs is if they :lobt2: and if they do so coming out of the most competetive western conference in history and can beat the Celtics on their home floor nobody's going to remember the extra window slamming humiliation that was hack a shaq.

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Originally Posted by timvp

DespЏrado might have a point in that 2007 will be viewed as "Suspension Asterisk" and 2008 could end up being view as "Hack-a-Shaq Asterisk". But F the media. They were riding the Suns' nvts coming into this series. They have to save face.

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My point exactly...not to say that the media should have any say in how the Spurs win because they have sucked shit during Duncan's entire career.

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Originally Posted by DespЏrado

I agree with you, but that doesn't mean I like it. It's one of those things that I would rather the Spurs not have to rely on. And I think it was unwarranted in this game. We had the Suns number. They would have made a run but it wouldn't have stopped Parker and Manu from tearing them a new one...

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I'm not sure why you keep insisting the Spurs were "relying" on it. I'm starting to understand why people are suggesting that you aren't a Spurs fan.

OMG: PP, is that you?

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Originally Posted by Obstructed_View

Like anyone needs your approval. :sleep

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Whatever floats your boat man. I didn't like it. If you did, good on you.

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Whatever floats your boat man. I didn't like it. If you did, good on you.

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Any win against the Suns is a good win, Princess.

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Originally Posted by DespЏrado

I agree with you, but that doesn't mean I like it. It's one of those things that I would rather the Spurs not have to rely on. And I think it was unwarranted in this game. We had the Suns number. They would have made a run but it wouldn't have stopped Parker and Manu from tearing them a new one...

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There's not liking the strategy (which is semi-fair, even if I disagree with that opinion) and there is grossly over-representing its effect on this series. You're doing the latter.

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I'm not sure why you keep insisting the Spurs were "relying" on it. I'm starting to understand why people are suggesting that you aren't a Spurs fan.

OMG: PP, is that you?

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I admit rely is to harsh a word. But we did use it, and to the outside observer I can see people saying we relied on it. And for once, I think they might have a legitimate gripe about the Spurs style because I sure as hell didn't like it.

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Any win against the Suns is a good win, Princess.

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:lol I've been around a lot longer than that bitch...and I will be here long after they go, but I just brought back an old screen name that I used to use on this board and one I have used since Spursreport was the main place to hang out before the rift.

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There's not liking the strategy (which is semi-fair, even if I disagree with that opinion) and there is grossly over-representing its effect on this series. You're doing the latter.

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Sorry the thread was made during the game. I had no idea how long it was going to be our go to defense. But I think it was a bad call to bring it out tonight of all nights when we already were going to get the W. My argument was never that it changed the outcome of the series. But that it cheapened this particular game.