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After watching Tony school the Suns for the entire night, Mark Jackson said Tony be should not only be considered one of the top five "point guards" in the league today, but at only 25 years old, we should be talking about him as one of the top "point guards" ever to play the game.
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I don't think he's the best ever, but I think he is the best point guard in the NBA.
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Opps ... the title should have been "One Of The Best Ever".Quote:
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And while I think it is still a little early, eventually this discussion will have merit. Tony will certainly end his career as one of the highest scoring players in playoff history, have multiple rings and at least one Finals MVP. And at only 25 his points and hardware is sure to increase.
Right now Tony is playing like the second best PG in the NBA behind Chris Paul, but its still early even though his Game 3 was HUGE for the team to put the stranglehold on a very good Suns team.
If he can keep this up and help lead the team to the Finals, then you could make a case for him turning a corner and being a true elite in the sense that the days of being a borderline all-star are gone, and that he might become a superstar.
But I would settle for him just simply being his own version Isiah Thomas in the playoffs. Isiah was a guy who always seemed to play BETTER in the playoffs, his regular season numbers weren't always awesome, but he always came to play in most of the big playoff games. If Tony could just explode like this from time to time, the Spurs could put themselves on the same level as the Celtics in terms of how dominant they are playing.
Tony might not ever reach the Chris Paul level of consistency, but he does seem to possess the talent to score as well if not better than any PG in the league right now. And thats all the Spurs need now. If he can keep this up, he will be as effective as the Spurs need him to be. Score a lot, score efficiently -- keep the turnovers. Then you have a superstar playoff performer.
Great start, but I want to see more.
Watching Tony speed by the Big Cactus and the rest of the helpless Suns I was reminded of the old Roadrunner cartoons.
BEEP! BEEP!
Glad to see Tony is starting to get the "Manu" type of over-hyping :lol It was about time!
i dont know about best ever, but watching him expose nash and shaq last night was a thing of beauty. plus i watched the game with some gringos i met, who just happened to be suns and mavs fans. it was great!!!
Not that I put too much weight on Peter Vecey's often retarded rants but he too said on NBA TV the TP should be put into the "one of the best of all time" discussion.
We have watched Tony grow. He has all the skills. He went from driving the lane in games 1 and 2 to beating the shit out of them with his jumper in game 3. And adding in 12 assist along the way.
Spurs certainly playing like Champs now.
And if I was a travel agent in Phoenix, I would hang around the arena Sunday.
His hardware will increase as long as he plays alongside Tim.Quote:
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People said that Tony would be unstoppable offensively if he were able to develop an outside jumper.
That day has clearly come.
However, CP3 must be recognized. Dude is younger than Parker and puts up similar numbers to parker's last night, with an "inexperienced" team that he has to serve as the leader to. Tony is VERY Good right now, in a ZONE so to speak, but I don't think he really deserves to be put in BOAT talks quite yet.
Think about it, the modern list of best PG of all time include some names that Tony can't touch:
Magic
Oscar
Stockton
Then, guys like AI, Kidd and Payton put up ridic. numbers for a long time as their team's leader. Each was extremely consistent over the years; some great rebounders, some great scorers, some excellent at assists.
Parker is probably one of the best of all time at penetration, and last night he looked similarly like one of the best jump shooters of all time. 12 assists in the playoffs is similarly golden. But he would have to continue this performance before I think about even talking about him in the top 10.
Top 5 pg today? I never doubted it.
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Originally Posted by Nikos
Tony was AMAZING last night. And he has been big in all 3 games. And he was awesome in the Finals last year. But with all due respect, there's no way he is the best PG in the league right now. Chris Paul is the best. And Deron Williams is not far behind. Tony is definitely in the top 5, and maybe top 3.
Umm, you forgot Steve Nash (2 league MVPs) and Isaiah Thomas (two rings, 1 Finals MVP).Quote:
Originally Posted by spursfaninla
TP is top 5 point guards in this league no question about that... what his place in history is... i dunno but depends how many rings he gets by the time he retires he'll be right up there... :)
hey guys... 3 great games in a row are not enough to consider TP one of the best PG ever. Just like 3 bad games in a row doesn't mean we need to trade him.
We will see at the end of his career. He's 25, still has a lot to acomplish before we can talk about his ranking among the Greatest PG. Those kind of game just proves that TP and Manu are not just TD team-mates.
difficult to rank him all-time, since his numbers actually go down when Duncan isn't in the lineup, so it helps having Timmy and Manu..
he has an argument for 3rd in the NBA though..I don't know how strong the argument is, but it's there..
no way he's ahead of Paul or Deron though..
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This one deserves a thumb up.
I have to be totally with you on your take.
Who seriously cares if he's n°1 or 22 on the pg fandom list, all we want from him is to deliver big time when the team needs it come playoff time.
Manu and Tony are close to being the best sidekicks ever though !
What I thought was interesting and very telling of the mindset of the Spurs was this: Coach Pop was asked if it bothered them that Tony wasn't talked about as one of the best PG's. Pop's response: we don't care about that - we're not interested in personal accolades, it's all about the team winning!
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Just last week Jackson called Iverson the greatest to ever play the game.
Best ever PG is Spurs history
This Pop quote is the reason for the Spurs success.Quote:
Originally Posted by Crookshanks
My order for true PGs in the league right now.
Chris Paul
D Williams
Tony Parker
Nash
Kidd
Fuck Mark Jackson, just melo-dramatic look-at-me drivel to fill-up his airtime. They are both very good. Chris is clearly ahead of Tony for his age.
Good chance that we'll see Tony and Chris H2H in playoffs Monday 5 May at latest. DAL-NO Game7 would be Sat May 3 @NO.
I think José Calderon has what it takes to be ranked among those 5 PG very soonQuote:
Originally Posted by Jimcs50
25 years old, 3 rings and a Finals MVP. Based on that alone and compared to any of the other PGs in the league, you'd have to say he is the best.Quote:
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Best to me means he's the best at winning. How can you argue?
I am ok with that, but some sugested Avery was great :lolQuote:
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For the record, in 3/4 years ... when TD and Manu where hunged for being old, the SuperStar will be no other that TP ...
Right now there is no point guard inthe NBA Id rather have than Tony, and that includes CP and everyone else. Tony is just 25 but has played in what, 100 playoff games? Tons of experience, leadership, knows when to pass and when to shoot. He will be the face of the franchise one day (after Tim and Manu are gone).
If Tony has a decently long career, I think he'll rank among the all-time point guards in most stats. He started so young. That, combined with multiple titles, his finals MVP, and (what should be) a reputation as a good defender, Parker will go to the Hall.
If Parker plays like this all playoffs. There is no team that can even come close to the Spurs. We would sweep even the Celtics. again, if Parker plays like this
He's already in the history books with last years finals MVP award. He has played in so many playoff games and big games. This is where he has an edge compared to others. Maybe Tony got these opputunities becasue of Tim Duncan, but he still rose to the occassion. He grasped the opputunity and has not let it slip away. He is still getting better every year. He is only going to make his way up from here I think. Tony is not even close to being done in terms of stating hi "best ever" argument.
If you played the Suns in each round then yes, the Spurs would be unstoppable.Quote:
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we would destroy the lakers easily.Quote:
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A historical comparison in the middle of playoff run is stupid. Parker is obviously not one of the best point guards of all-time but that has nothing to do with the Spurs trying to win the 2008 NBA championship.
Marc Jackson said it.
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