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not a finals MVP
Size and strength.
A reliable 3-point shot.
Rape allegations?
Teammates that hate his guts.
3 rings
oh wait...nm
More reliable jump shooting, strength and height.
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Originally Posted by Condemned 2 HelLA
Keep it basketball-related... seriously.
Here's one thing: Kobe is the focal point of the offense and the focus of the other team's defense. TP has Duncan and Ginobili, the Lakers live or die by Kobe.
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Originally Posted by missmyzte
Fixed ;)
Kobe played a great role in creating the situation that lead to his team living and dying by his hand alone. Tony never even considered that...I consider that a positive in the favor of Parker, not Kobe.
He's got court vision. The team starts with him.
What does Tony have that Kobe doesn't?
Tim Duncan and Manu Ginobili.
Not great that court vision IMO.Quote:
Originally Posted by ballijuana
Kobe a better defender and the main focus for other teams
Superthread
Must be something in the water over there in San Antonio
Exactly. Allegations. Made by a girl who showed up for her sexual abuse exam with traces of six different dudes in her guts.Quote:
Originally Posted by Condemned 2 HelLA
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Originally Posted by Xylus
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Originally Posted by Xylus
No...that's what Tim Duncan has that Shaq didn't.
Let's do some math real quick
Shaq = 4
Duncan = 4
Kobe = 3
4=4>3
You just confuzzled me brain, mate.Quote:
Originally Posted by whottt
This thread is entertaining, but it's ridiculous btw. I thought it was bad when someone made that thread about how Deron and Paul couldn't hold Tony's jock strap last night. (Ridiculous enough that Kori or a mod deleted the entire thread after about five minutes anyway). But this? Like I said, it's funny and entertaining, but you can't even begin to seriously compare Tony Parker to Kobe.
I think it's tongue-in-cheek.
A bitch ass attitude.
"trade me, cuz we suck."
"No, don't trade me anymore.. we are pretty good."
TP has class...... Kobe doesn't.
There's nothing ridiculous about it...Kobe has the same amount of rings as Tony...
I know you guys want to pretend he was leading a band of no-names to 3 rings...but truthfully, that was not the case.
I know that about whott, but then again, the way people around here suck TP off, you never know about everyone. Like I said, that whole Deron, Paul, Tony thread last night just blew my mind before it was deleted.Quote:
Originally Posted by td4mvp21
lol @ this thread.
Oh...and for all you Lakerfans that think something special is about to happen...
Two words:
Bruce Bowen
Remember...you guys are the one saying live and die...not I.
So we should be expecting something like this?Quote:
Originally Posted by whottt
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Well Parker is really, really good. And I think he's underrated by a lot of fans, the media, and analysts in general-that's with a 2007 Finals MVP under his belt. When you hear talk about top point guards in the league, you hardly ever hear Parker's name, and I think he is a top 5. However, he's behind 4 other great ones (Nash, Paul, Deron, and Kidd-in no particular order).Quote:
Originally Posted by ballijuana
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Originally Posted by td4mvp21
Yeah. I didn't mean to sound like I was bashing him. Tony's pretty f'ing legit.
Uhhh...Parker is really really good, but don't let this series go to your head...Put Steve Nash guarding Kobe one on one with no double teams like we have seen the last 3 games with Parker and they might have to put 4 digits on the scoreboard. You may hate Kobe but he is incredibly talented.
You think Kidd better than Parker as the top PG in the league? I bet Cuban would trade Kidd for Parker in a heartbeat. And I know Nash is a great PG, but you do realize Parker is absolutely owning him in this series right? And Parker has owned Nash every postseason they've matched up. He's part of the reason the Suns can't get past the Spurs.Quote:
Originally Posted by td4mvp21
The only similarity is that both have won 3 rings as the second weapon. However, what Parker did to the Suns yesterday was in part due to Phoenix's defensive shortcomings. Don't be surprised if Parker doesn't average 30 a game against a CP3 or Deron.
Kobe on the other hand can drop 50 on almost any opponent in the league. Yes he lacks consistency, but the sheer talent is sometimes overwhelming. Parker conforms more to the system and gets his shots within the offense and therefore cannot take over games against tougher opposition (he doesn't need to, but he wouldn't be able to do that consistently if demanded).
That's hot.Quote:
Originally Posted by ballijuana
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Originally Posted by td4mvp21
He is ahead of Kidd right now. He has a much more realible jumper and is a one man fast break. No one is faster on the dribble right now than Tony. Maybe close to him, but not faster.
Now that you really ask, I'm not sure. The biased fan in me says yes, but I'm hoping that bias isn't overriding the facts.Quote:
Originally Posted by 1Parker1
You can't really compare Kobe to Tony. The size difference. Kobe's a more consistent shooter from 3/long range 2's. Kobe is the focal point of their offense. Tony is fortunate enough to have Tim/Manu.
I think Tony is damn good though.
Let's compare Tony to Nash at 25 years old.
:wow Nash - 7.9 points, 5.5 assists, 31.7 mpg, 36.3% FG (the next year Nash was over 47% though).
Better than Kidd. Probably a push with Nash becasue his D sucks so bad, but their offensive games are so different that it's like comparing apples and oranges. No comparison to Paul & Deron.Quote:
Originally Posted by 1Parker1
How's this question; Is Ginobili the 2nd best shooting guard in the West behind Kobe? How about in the league? That makes more sense to compare....
WTF? I had no idea Nash ever averaged 30+ ppg. Is that correct?Quote:
Originally Posted by Kori Ellis
I think that was a typo because she put 7.9 points before she typed 31 ppg.Quote:
Originally Posted by ballijuana
I think he is amonf the top 5 PG, but I only see CPaul and DWilliams above him, not Nash or Kidd anymore.
We will see how things go on if Spurs face NO.
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Originally Posted by 1Parker1
I think he's better than T-Mac.
Kobe has a better PR agent and bigger and more endorsement deals
LOL it's mpg.Quote:
Originally Posted by ballijuana
Yeah, for a second there I thought I had lost a year of my life.Quote:
Originally Posted by td4mvp21
I think Parker has more composure than those two, right now. Paul & Deron are great and probably fit into the traditional PG mold more. Also, Parker is badass with both hands around the rim, I would say better than both of them.Quote:
Originally Posted by ballijuana
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Originally Posted by NuGGeTs-FaN
I'll tell you what Tony's got that Kobe doesn't...a great relationship with his HOF All Time Great Bigman.
I'll tell you something else Tony's got that Kobe doesn't...a marquee playoff asswhupping of every great PG that he has ever faced in the post season in the course of a championship run(excluding Stephon Marbury of course)...
Kobe doesn't have that...he got owned by Rip Hamilton in the finals a couple of years ago for a championship. Flat out..OWNT.
Clinging Mars - Your signature is fucking up the system for some reason. Did you change it today?
Yeah he's a better finisher for sure. Probably just a better scorer in general. His passing and ability to break down the defense for his teamates doesn't even come close though.Quote:
Originally Posted by romad_20
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Originally Posted by Kori Ellis
The miniscroll must die...along with big sigs.
I don't get the appeal of having a large sig to begin with. Is there really that much of the same thing that you want to say to people every time you make a post? Keep it simple yo.
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Originally Posted by ballijuana
I don't get it either...
True, I don't think he ever will be that type of guard. Maybe when he starts to slow down he'll look to create more. This system just doesn't need it though. Drive and kick or finish, P&R and throw into the post is what he needs to do to win and that's all that matters. He's top 3 in the west, probably the league.Quote:
Originally Posted by ballijuana
Actually, it seemed to be more of a case that he was bound and determined to be Finals MVP that year and wound up shooting them right out of the series.Quote:
Originally Posted by whottt
Keeping that in mind, to answer your question...........
.........a HUGE, out of control ego!
He also is WAY, WAY quicker than Kobes. Tony is Iverson in his prime quick, minus the horrible chucker shot selection.Quote:
Originally Posted by Xylus
CP3's defense reminds me of Nash. Tony might well hang 30 a game on the Hornets.Quote:
Originally Posted by Warlord23
LOL Parker has a few good games and now he's better than Kobe? Where were you guys when he was sucking major cock the last 3-4 months? I distinctly remember a CP3 >>>> Parker thread on here.
lock-down defense..?
dunking skills...?
Um, Tony had been battling heel/ankle problems throughout the regular season. I don't know exactly what the numbers were, but he was headed to another career best season in points, assists, turnovers and assist-to-turnover ratio prior to the injuries.Quote:
Originally Posted by DazedAndConfused
Of course, he's not a better individual player/talent than Kobe Bryant. Yet, few players in the league are comparable to Bryant. What he does possess is a better understanding of his coach, teammates and system (without any friction) than Kobe did at a similar age. Also, he not a ego-maniac that it takes losing to "humble" him, although the other night proves that Kobe will never be humbled.
Size and hops for starters.
Well, he doesn't have a stupid French accent, effeminate body language, and a unibrow that Tony does so I guess Tony has him beat.
i don't have top 5 player in the world and top 5 clutch player
on my team
instead....im both of those
about 4-5 inches and a nike endorsement.
So what are you guys saying? I mean aside from Magicman's clear admission that he is gay(which was completely unsolicted btw)...
Sounds like you are saying if Kobe had Tony's teamates he'd...I don't know...win a championship or something? You mean like Tony?
So if Kobe can't win without Tim and Manu...how does that make him better than Parker? I mean using that logic. at worst, Tony could equal Kobe's achievement of not winning a title without Tim and Manu. Hell...I could not win a championship without Tim Duncan and Manu...I fail to see the great achivement there, so why are Laker fans bringing it up as if it were one?
Basically all it means is that if Kobe need Tim and Manu to win, and Tony can win with Tim and Manu...Parker's still the better deal...
A. He's younger.
B. He's cheaper.
C. He's less likely to alientate his teamates, demand to be traded, run off his HOF Bigman Partner, or break up his championship core....
Exactly what can Kobe do that Tony can't?
Oh that's right...he can jack up more shots.
Wow.
Yes and yesQuote:
Originally Posted by ballijuana
That will happen
We do have some quitters on this board; ususally, they jump on the bandwagon when we destroy the rest of the NBA in the playoffsQuote:
Originally Posted by DazedAndConfused
Your argument is no good Whott. I could see saying that from a gm and money perspective TP is a more valuable component to a championship contender than Kobe. For about a third of the cash, you'll get decent production. If there's one argument to make, that would be it. Don't try to compare the two in terms of ability though. It's a foolish argument. I mean, it isn't even close.Quote:
Originally Posted by whottt
Your whole criteria is jacked. Let me ask this- When Steve Kerr was young he cost less than Kobe does now, right? He was less likely to alienate his teamates, right? He has more rings than Kobe, right? Does that mean he was as good or better than him?
You can't honestly try to compare the basketball ability of TP to Kobe. Kobe's probably better at basketball than anyone else has ever been. Possibly even Jordan. Jordan had some things about him outside of his basketball ability that made him better, but if we're just talking raw athletic b-ball ability you can at least make a solid argument that Kobe is the best ever. If you want to give it to MJ that's cool, but in any case Kobe is at least second. He can score from anywhere, create his own shot from anywhere, he can set up his teamates fom nearly anywhere and he's consistently been on the 1st defensive team throughout his career. Tony Parker is a nice player and a good scorer, but he isn't even close to Kobe Bryant.
At first I thought this thread was a joke. I still do, but in a very different way.
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Originally Posted by ballijuana
First, second, third and fourth mistakes right there.
Tony Parker is highly successful because of the team and system he plays on. It is tailor made to suit his strengths and hide his weaknesses. He is not a lock-down defender nor does he have great court vision like CP3/Nash/Williams do. He doesn't have to focus on micromanaging the offense, his primary task is to attack the defense and look to score. You swap TP with CP3/Nash/Williams and those teams all become worse.
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Originally Posted by DazedAndConfused
Oh please...continue enlightening us :rolleyes
Man Whott....I've been on this forum for 4 years and in all of my years you still come up with weak threads and sad analysis. Your hate for Kobe is too funny...especially when trying to compare TP against KB. You have now taken the cake for the most dense comparison I've seen on this forum, well maybe when Manu vs Kobe was on full steam after a few good games from Manu. Enjoy the first round and hopefully we'll see you in the WCF, but keep the shitty threads to a minimum. But then again I'm sure your thread is pure jokes or you sucked on a tailpipe prior to tickling the keyboard.
Stupid thread. I didn't even read it. Just by the title alone it's pretty damn retarded. Let's see Parker be the focal point of a team both offensively and defensively. Let's see him get the double and triple teams Kobe does. Let's see his monkey ass carry a team all by his lonesome self. Take him off the Spurs his rank as a pg automatically drops. He's the perfect pg for the Spurs but stfu really. Let's see hi do what he does without Duncan and Ginobili.
Legal fees
Laker fans....no point of even arguing the merits of this thread. There's no point and I would just let it die as it ranks up there with the best troll threads I've read.
You made your entire point worthless. The system was designed to work with Tony's skillset. That's what is supposed to be done, play to your players strengths and hide their weakness.Quote:
Originally Posted by DazedAndConfused
Yes, those other teams (I think the suns would actually be better with Parker than Nash since he fits in with their uptempo philosophy), but plug those guys in with the Spurs in their current system and the Spurs would be worse as well. Of course the Spurs could change their system more easily than most teams because of coaching and players experienced in multiple systems, but that's not the point.
It's a stupid argument. For what the Spurs want to do currently, Parker is the best PG to have. No one even comes close to giving what Parker does. He is a unique talent. CP3 and Deron are much better classical PGs, but they would bomb trying to do what Parker does, and Parker would be mediocre at best trying to do what they do.
Of course--there is at least one thing that Tony has which Kobe doesn't...
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They both have overrated annoying ugly bitchesQuote:
Originally Posted by Man of Steel
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Originally Posted by MaNuMaNiAc
But you agree they are overrated, ugly, and annoyingQuote:
Originally Posted by MaNuMaNiAc
Kobe has a better 3 pointer. Tony rarely shoots 3's to even be more specific. That's the main thing.
Several more inches, a decent FT %, A good 3pt Shot, Clutchness, more skills, and attitude issues.
Vd?
:wow That's cold.Quote:
Originally Posted by spursfaninla
What does Kobe have that TP doesn't? Lets see..
Better defense, better shooting, more range on said shot, more scoring moves, equal finishing at the rim ability, size and jumping ability, rebounding, more clutch, ability to take over games, in general just a much better basketball player.(best on the planet) I actually like Tony don't make troll threads and give people reason to dislike him.
Kobe vs Parker? You have gotta be kidding me. This is so ridiculous I'm not even going to answer the question, instead I pose several other questions.
1) If you were to start a franchise today who would you rather have, Kobe or Parker?
2) If you had a crappy team but could add 1 good player, would you take Kobe or Parker?
3) If the game was on the line, who would you rather have taking the final shot?
4) Final 30 seconds and you're up with the other team fouling you, who would you want taking the foul shots?
5) If you needed 3 points, who would you want getting those 3 points for you?
6) If you needed to lock down the other team's best player, who would you want as the defender?
7) If Kobe and Parker were to play 1 on 1, who would win? Would it even be close?
8) Would Parker have a chance at stopping Kobe?
9) Would Kobe have a chance at stopping Parker?
Kobe has no weaknesses on the court. Tony Parker's a stellar player as a 2nd or 3rd option...but he can never be THE man on a team.
Kobe is a top 1 player, Tony's top 20.
Kobe vs Duncan and you have a valid question.
Parker. He's younger, he's cheaper, he's less cancerous, he's less selfish, he's less likely to demand to be traded, he's less likely to demand someone else be traded, he's less likely to attempt to get his coach fired... and he plays the first or second most difficult position to master on the court.Quote:
Originally Posted by Allanon
I take Parker and I don't even think twice about it. Building franchises around 30 year olds is generally a dumbass idea.
Parker for the reasons mentioned above...with a special focus on the fact that Kobe whines and demands to be traded if he feels he's on a crappy team.Quote:
2) If you had a crappy team but could add 1 good player, would you take Kobe or Parker?
Parker...Quote:
3) If the game was on the line, who would you rather have taking the final shot?
KobeQuote:
4) Final 30 seconds and you're up with the other team fouling you, who would you want taking the foul shots?
Eh...maybe Kobe.Quote:
5) If you needed 3 points, who would you want getting those 3 points for you?
Depends on who their best player was..and you've evidentally never watched Kobe Bryant try to defend Tony Parker or you wouldn't say he locks down shit. I'd tell you to watch the matchup of Kobe defending Parker again if we meet in the postseason this year, but I doubt Phil will ever attempt that again...in fact I imagine he'll probably try to double team Parker as he did in 04.Quote:
6) If you needed to lock down the other team's best player, who would you want as the defender?
Parker is a much higher PCT shooter than Kobe.Quote:
7) If Kobe and Parker were to play 1 on 1, who would win? Would it even be close?
Except for his decision making...Quote:
Kobe has no weaknesses on the court.
I see....and what exactly has Kobe done as the man?Quote:
Tony Parker's a stellar player as a 2nd or 3rd option...but he can never be THE man on a team.
Miss the playoffs?
Blow up his team?
Win the Heat a championship?
Has he even gotten his team out of the first round?
Oh wait...he didn't, and your excuse is that he didn't have Tim Duncan and Manu Ginobili...which doesn't sound like he's top 1 anything.
Bull shit...the best player in the NBA wouldn't get his ass kicked in the first round 2 years in a row and miss the playoffs another.Quote:
Kobe is a top 1 player, Tony's top 20.
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Kobe vs Duncan and you have a valid question.
Uh...with all due respect, Kobe's not fit to carry Duncan's jock.
^^ That's all I needed to know, enjoy the Haterade :D
Kori needs to ban "twhottt" for being a Spurs troll.
Seriously whott that's some Homer thinking right there. Tony's great but Kobe is much better.
Whott gets off to this kind of shit, don't lend him your hand to jack off with.
When he gets in the mood to troll he's like Spursdynasty but more believable.
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Originally Posted by mavs>spurs
(I think everyone knows Kobe is a top 3 player in the league and Tony isn't.)
If the man wants to suck Tony off, as long as Eva ain't mad why should anyone else?
Seriously Whott needs to be banned for being a Spurs troll on a Spurs messageboard. This shit that spews out of his mouth is ridiculous.
And whomever said the Spurs would be worse off with CP3 or Williams in place of Parker, I don't buy that. Spurs would be just as good if not better.
So you guys are saying if you were building a team from scratch, or you have a crappy team and can add one good player to it...
You'd take Kobe?
If so you're pretty fucking stupid, because only an idiot would think Kobe wouldn't demand a trade instantly.
Not only do you guys evidentally not follow basketball...you don't even follow Kobe interviews in the summer.
whottt has actually held his own against Laker Fan even though he's defending a near impossible position. Speaking of Laker Fan, how come there were only like two on SpursTalk over the last three years? All of a sudden, Laker Fan is back in full force.
Wonder why :rolleyes