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Re: How do you counter Boris Diaw guarding Parker, and the Suns now playing Tri Tower
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Originally Posted by
DazedAndConfused
Finley guarding Amare? I don't know if we were watching the same game, but from what I saw that move would result in Amare dunking over Finley about 20 times.
NBA fan in 2005 much?
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Re: How do you counter Boris Diaw guarding Parker, and the Suns now playing Tri Tower
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Diaw has abused Udoka even more than other players.
The last meeting of the regular season, and games 1 through 4 have proven that.
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Re: How do you counter Boris Diaw guarding Parker, and the Suns now playing Tri Tower
No offense, cuz I love the guy, but Horry looked horrible out there today!
Horry on Shaq I would like though.
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Re: How do you counter Boris Diaw guarding Parker, and the Suns now playing Tri Tower
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If Tony's J isn't falling, it's really up to Manu who has been mostly MIA in this series.
Actually Manu's done a pretty good job showing up considering he's been the third option (behind Tony and Timmy) and playing on a bad ankle.
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Re: How do you counter Boris Diaw guarding Parker, and the Suns now playing Tri Tower
This is 2008, not 2005. If you haven't noticed Finley is not a lockdown defender by any means anymore. Who exactly has he shutdown this season? If anything he gets lit up by whomever he is guarding.
The shots Amare missed were point blank gimmes from 2-3 feet away, he won't miss many of those if given the opportunity. I'm not sure what the solution is for Diaw, but I can guarantee you it won't be to put Finley on Amare and Oberto on Diaw.
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Re: How do you counter Boris Diaw guarding Parker, and the Suns now playing Tri Tower
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Originally Posted by
ManuTim_best of Fwiendz
No offense, cuz I love the guy, but Horry looked horrible out there today!
Horry on Shaq I would like though.
Horry in the game was just desperation from Pop, he knew they were done
so if the Spurs are getting killed why not give Horry some time under his legs ??
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Re: How do you counter Boris Diaw guarding Parker, and the Suns now playing Tri Tower
Is bonner even alive? The has not even got a whiff of PT this whole series..Lets see what he can do since horry is still searching for his "O" and now his "D"...
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Re: How do you counter Boris Diaw guarding Parker, and the Suns now playing Tri Tower
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Originally Posted by
DazedAndConfused
If you haven't noticed Finley is not a lockdown defender by any means anymore.
:lmao:lmao:lmao:lmao:lmao
Anymore? Finley has never been a lockdown defender. He has always been a poor defender. But that doesn't take away past success. Finley is slower but so is Amare.
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Re: How do you counter Boris Diaw guarding Parker, and the Suns now playing Tri Tower
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Originally Posted by
TMTTRIO
Actually Manu's done a pretty good job showing up considering he's been the third option (behind Tony and Timmy) and playing on a bad ankle.
Manu's had a stellar season, better than Timmy and Tony, I guess I just raised my expectations too high. :D I just feel that Tony and TImmy have played much better than Manu this series but I guess that's normal, I just forgot he is a 3rd option.
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Re: How do you counter Boris Diaw guarding Parker, and the Suns now playing Tri Tower
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Re: How do you counter Boris Diaw guarding Parker, and the Suns now playing Tri Tower
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Originally Posted by
yavozerb
Is bonner even alive? ...
He's been in street clothes the last few games in favor of keeping Damon active.
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Re: How do you counter Boris Diaw guarding Parker, and the Suns now playing Tri Tower
I'm very surprised Mike has not exploited our lack of a small 3 earlier, because Diaw has been chode regulating Udoka from game 1.
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Re: How do you counter Boris Diaw guarding Parker, and the Suns now playing Tri Tower
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Originally Posted by
td4mvp21
Not Finley :lol I say Bowen. Bowen is taller than both Udoka and Finley, and more physical than either of them. Having Bowen on Diaw isn't any worse than having Udoka or Finley on him. Then put Finley on Bell and Parker on Nash. Bell won't have 27 points again.
Now you want to put the spurs #1 defender on a sub starter cause of 1 good game...:lol
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Re: How do you counter Boris Diaw guarding Parker, and the Suns now playing Tri Tower
I'm more worried about the Suns posting up finley every time down the road.
Can't double Diaw and give help to finley b/c of the pass to Shaq or Amare.
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Re: How do you counter Boris Diaw guarding Parker, and the Suns now playing Tri Tower
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Originally Posted by
yavozerb
Now you want to put the spurs #1 defender on a sub starter cause of 1 good game...:lol
It may have been 1 good game but he's gotten what he wanted this entire series. Who would you suggest?
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Re: How do you counter Boris Diaw guarding Parker, and the Suns now playing Tri Tower
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Originally Posted by
Cant_Be_Faded
I'm very surprised Mike has not exploited our lack of a small 3 earlier, because Diaw has been chode regulating Udoka from game 1.
He's actually been trying to since game 2. the last two games Diaw missed most of his shots and fucked up possessions :lol
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Re: How do you counter Boris Diaw guarding Parker, and the Suns now playing Tri Tower
If I'm the Spurs I bank on Diaw laying an egg in at least one of the next 3 games. Take your chances with that rather than try and retool your entire gameplan to beat the Suns.
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Re: How do you counter Boris Diaw guarding Parker, and the Suns now playing Tri Tower
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Originally Posted by
DazedAndConfused
If I'm the Spurs I bank on Diaw laying an egg in at least one of the next 3 games. Take your chances with that rather than try and retool your entire gameplan to beat the Suns.
Your not retooling anything.
Your adjusting to D'Antoni's starting 5.
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Re: How do you counter Boris Diaw guarding Parker, and the Suns now playing Tri Tower
I know I am going to get hammered by some of the Spurs fans for this. (I really don't give a damn what the trolls say or think.) But Pop is going to have to work the refs over about 3 second calls in the next game, and hope he can get them to call it. The Suns left one of their bigs camped in the paint, playing center field, for a large part of the game. The perimeter defenders got in front of Tony and Manu, and fed them right up the middle into a waiting Shaq and/or Amare. It's a lot easier for Shaq to get position when he doesn't have to move.
When they were sitting in the paint, they kept extending their arms, pretending like they were within arm's reach of the person they were "defending". Sometimes it was just ridiculous, because there was no one close to arm's reach, and hadn't been. Don't get me wrong. It's a great strategy if you can pull it off.
The Spurs are going to have to knock down some jumpers, but I think it will be especially important for Tim to knock down some of those 15-footers off the glass to force the Phoenix bigs to come out a little. Tim got upset several times because he got hacked on the arms when he was trying to shoot those shots in the paint. Right or wrong, it's easier for a ref to no-call when there is so much contact going on in the paint. If that same contact occurs when Shaq is isolated on Tim away from the basket, they won't have any choice but to blow a few whistles.
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Re: How do you counter Boris Diaw guarding Parker, and the Suns now playing Tri Tower
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Originally Posted by
Findog
Diaw is a pussy that can't be counted on from game to game. He had his one good performance and can go back to sucking now.
you're right he was a pussy against the mavs in 2006.
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Re: How do you counter Boris Diaw guarding Parker, and the Suns now playing Tri Tower
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Originally Posted by
Xylus
Everyone guarded Parker in Game 3. It was one of those rare games where nothing could deny him. He'll play well in Game 5, but 17-26 shooting will not happen again.
Cleveland said that every game last year in the Finals. :)
Diaw has caused matchup problems every game, and if Bell is going to hit those shots, we're going to struggle. Fortunately, I think Tony has another one of HIS type games coming before Bell does his Ray Allen impression again.
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Re: How do you counter Boris Diaw guarding Parker, and the Suns now playing Tri Tower
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Originally Posted by
T Park
How do you counter D'Antoni's adjustments?
Boris is causing matchup problems, and hes long and quick enough to give Parker problems.
IMO this was the troubling revelation from the game.
putting ian on him would be intresting
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Re: How do you counter Boris Diaw guarding Parker, and the Suns now playing Tri Tower
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Originally Posted by
T Park
How do you counter D'Antoni's adjustments?
Boris is causing matchup problems, and hes long and quick enough to give Parker problems.
IMO this was the troubling revelation from the game.
The Spurs need to hit their shots - that's it, if they do that, the whole tritowers myth will be just that, a myth.
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Re: How do you counter Boris Diaw guarding Parker, and the Suns now playing Tri Tower
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Originally Posted by
timvp
Offensively, you run. The Spurs are now the quicker team from end to end. Make Diaw chase Parker. If Diaw is going to postup, get the outlet pass to Parker and push the break. Diaw won't be able to defend him if the Spurs push the pace.
Defensively, it sounds weird but I'd think about putting Finley on Stoudemire and let the bigs guard Shaq and Diaw. When Finley was with the Mavs, he had success against Stoudemire. While he obviously didn't have success today, Finley isn't much worse than putting Oberto on him. Tell Finley to make Stoudemire shoot, take Diaw and Shaq out of the equation and just hope that the Suns don't shoot lights out again.
Eh - I don't really like the idea of Finely playing defense on Stodamire over Diaw. He's not the same player that he was when Finely guarded him before. He has a much better jumpshot which is just going to let him use his length to blow by Finely.
I'm not too worried about Diaw either. If they're going to run the offense through him and he's going to beat us, then so be it. But I don't think he'll produce at this rate by any means. He's long and he'll be able to get shots but the answer to all of this is positioning. You can't let him catch the ball too close to the rim. If he's going to drive then you can bring weak side help. The problem with that is that you leave Amare and Shaq to clean up the offensive boards, but that all sounds much better to me than Stodamire going against Finely.
Either way, the tempo in this series is always set by the Spurs on the offensive end. If they don't allow the Suns to run off of turnovers then they usually do fine. It really wasn't a D'Antoni adjustment that won ths game but rather the horrible first quarter start with six give aways that led to the Suns jumping all over the Spurs. Then, you couple that with a 2nd quarter where Bell stemed the Spurs run all by himself then you have a game thats out of hand and a Suns team playing with confidence.
This game was lost on first quarter turnovers and poor play.
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Re: How do you counter Boris Diaw guarding Parker, and the Suns now playing Tri Tower
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Originally Posted by
GSH
I know I am going to get hammered by some of the Spurs fans for this. (I really don't give a damn what the trolls say or think.) But Pop is going to have to work the refs over about 3 second calls in the next game, and hope he can get them to call it. The Suns left one of their bigs camped in the paint, playing center field, for a large part of the game. The perimeter defenders got in front of Tony and Manu, and fed them right up the middle into a waiting Shaq and/or Amare. It's a lot easier for Shaq to get position when he doesn't have to move.
When they were sitting in the paint, they kept extending their arms, pretending like they were within arm's reach of the person they were "defending". Sometimes it was just ridiculous, because there was no one close to arm's reach, and hadn't been. Don't get me wrong. It's a great strategy if you can pull it off.
The Spurs are going to have to knock down some jumpers, but I think it will be especially important for Tim to knock down some of those 15-footers off the glass to force the Phoenix bigs to come out a little. Tim got upset several times because he got hacked on the arms when he was trying to shoot those shots in the paint. Right or wrong, it's easier for a ref to no-call when there is so much contact going on in the paint. If that same contact occurs when Shaq is isolated on Tim away from the basket, they won't have any choice but to blow a few whistles.
I think there are some solid things being said here as well. The Suns bigs really did just take up residence in the lane. The spacing you need isn't going to come if you never take the midrange jumpers that are given to you when that happens but instead continue to force it right into their defense. Thats what led to the turnovers and bad shots which then turned into easy Suns offense.
When this happens you have stretch and hurt those bigs. You probably have to play small against the lineup and Finley, Barry, or Udoka have to make some shots as well. Tim needs some touches facing the basket and everyone needs to be ready to hit 15 footers off of screens. I did notice that the Suns finally accomplished what most high school basketball players know and stopped going under every screen on a hot shooter but the shots were usually still there.
