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You say thousands of things every year, most of them stupid. Simple probablility dictates you'd be right eventually.Quote:
Originally Posted by ducks
AJ to the Bulls would be a good fit, but I give it no more than ten games before the first Noah/AJ courtside blowup.
The original blog post that claimed AJ had been dismissed has now been removed.
As a NYC resident, I really hope Carlisle or Johnson gets the Knicks gig.Quote:
Originally Posted by DieMrBond
Mike D'Antoni could do wonders with the Toronto Raptors, I think.
AJ to the Bulls doesn't make much sense, he's like Skiles Lite. :lol
I could care less where Avery goes or what he does as a coach. I like him as a person, though. I don't think the Spurs need his nor anyone's help against the Hornets nor any other team in the playoffs, TimVP. The Spurs have years of experience and as we all know, the Spurs are an entirely different animal. Avery can keep his 1-4 insights to himself and the Spurs should still win this series in less than seven.
So if Avery is willing to share information, great, but I don't think the Spurs need it is what I'm saying.
All the bad and overrate coach like Van Gundy, Avery Johnson, and the D' Antoni have be fired. Good. But this show how stupid NBA teams is. They already talks about hire such idiot coaches.
If AJ is canned, who would want the Dallas gig? The only redeeming quality about it is that the pay and perks will be pretty good. The downside is the douchebag jock wannabe owner hanging all over your team at all times. AJ would be the second coach he's burned through and that's a coach who actually took the franchise to a NBA Finals for the first time in its history.
Of course, said team makes its home in the Metroplex. So you have millions of douchebags outside of the arena to cater to.
Whoever AJ's replacement would be, likely they won't be as great on the defensive end. One less serious rival in the Western Conference is not a bad thing.
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According to the Dallas Morning News, after Josh Howard's birthday bash after their previous loss, Avery cancelled the practice before their final game. The players practiced on their own. http://www.dallasnews.com/sharedcont....b507aaf1.html
That doesn't sound like a mature coach who has his team behind his coaching and without dissension. Either Avery knew he was gone and cancelled the practice out of spite or this was the wrong way to send a message to the players. It really looks bad.
Whatever his reasoning, I don't think it was fair to the fans or the team and the owner would have to take that into consideration if the decision hadn't already been made.
He had a no partying rule and some players deliberatly broke the rule. Avery was pissed and deservedly so, thus practice was cancelled. Imagine Pop in that situation. Who was being immature?Quote:
Originally Posted by wildbill2u
Jeff Kaplan of the Star Telegram: "A late-night party to celebrate Josh Howard's 28th birthday after Sunday's Game 4 loss turned Dallas Mavericks coach Avery Johnson livid and led him to cancel Monday's practice, two sources confirmed. Johnson, who stressed no partying during the series, was informed before Monday's scheduled practice that Howard handed out fliers to teammates in the locker room before Game 4, inviting them to his party at a Dallas nightclub. The two sources differed on how many players attended, either three or four, including Howard. Which players attended is unclear, although the majority of the team did not. Upon learning of the party, the sources said, Johnson entered the locker room and asked the players who attended to stand up. Infuriated, Johnson lit into his team and then called off practice. He told the team they'd meet on the flight to New Orleans."
And this is after a loss.
Kermit wrote: "He had a no partying rule and some players deliberatly broke the rule. Avery was pissed and deservedly so, thus practice was cancelled. Imagine Pop in that situation. Who was being immature?"
Assuming that the no partying rule during the three days wait before a game is reasonable for a coach to lay on the players in this day and age, the problem I see is that it should have been handled with a fine or something that wouldn't have hurt the chances of the team in a must-win game.
Getting infuriated and cancelling an important practice sounds more like a childish tantrum response than a mature coaching decision to me. I don't think Pop would have handled it that way, but that's just my opinion.
You think AJ is a much better coach than most of ST does dude. I don't care who he signs on with, as long as it's not us. I don't understand why you want him here as an assistant. For one, it'd be a slap in the face for both Tony and Manu. Last I checked, you kinda liked Tony and Manu. For two, the guy openly preached dirty play as the Mavs boss. That's not what the Spurs are about. And for three, he routinely blamed losses on the refs. Again, not what we do here.Quote:
Originally Posted by timvp
Yes, he beat us in 2006. But the Mavs were peaking then and Tim had plantar fasciitis and Manu was hobbled and it still took overtime in the 7th game and that only happened on a bad defensive play on one end (Manu's foul) and a complete no-call on the other (Dirk pushing the hell out of Duncan on that offensive rebound). It was a fluke. Also don't forget that games 3 and 4 of that series might have been the two worst/biased reffed games since Game 6 for Sac against LA in '02.
Since '06 Avery has had his lunch handed to him in the playoffs and you are still enamored with him. He's a snake and a low-life and he tried to go behind Dirk's back and begged Cuban to trade him.
This is the same guy who told David Robinson that Jesus didn't love him because he played a poor basketball game.
And you want him here. It blows my mind. He contributed to one (ONE!) title. As a player. Nine years ago. Fucking cut the cord already.
No, you're right. Avery should've coddled them; held them to his breast as they suckled his man milk. I see your point now. Why on Earth could've possessed a man notorious for his temper tantrums to erupt in such a manner, especially after 1/3 of the team disobeyed direct orders? It's definitely unreasonable to expect grown men to follow team rules in this day and age. Why, they're multi-millionares who can do whatever they want without consequences.Quote:
Originally Posted by wildbill2u
I have no problem with AJ getting on the team like that, Dallas is way too casual about winning as a franchise, it's always someone else's fault and not theirs. AJ was just trying to get them to responsibility for their actions.
LOL at AJ still being the second coming as a coach. Whatever.
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Originally Posted by roycrikside
Most of ST are idiots.
This AJ fixation could be the Spurs' undoing in the future.
Avery Johnson: "the future is bright."
By Roy S. Johnson / Y! Sports Blogs
Avery Johnson is just fine. For someone who just lost his job, in fact, he's way better than fine. He will receive all of the approximately $12 million remaining on his contract with the Dallas Mavericks, which ran through the 2010-11 season.
"[Owner] Mark Cuban was very generous," he told me, adding that "the conversation was amicable."
That chat occured Wednesday morning, hours after the team was eliminated by the New Orleans Hornets 4 games to 1 in the opening round of the playoffs in Johnson's hometown. "I’ll always be forever graeteful to Mark because gave me my first shot," Avery said to me this afternoon. "We talked about management styles, we talked about communication and we talked a lot about decisions. It was a good coversation, and I’ll be forever grateful to Mark for the opportunity he provided me.”
Johnson did not meet with the players. "[Management] thought that was best," he said. "I’ll talk with them at a later time."
"More than anything there are a few special players that really made our program go. It starts with Dirk [Nowitski]. When think about our program over whole four years, guys like Jason Terry, [Erik] Dampier, [Jerry] Stackhouse, Josh Howard, Devin Harris, who's like my son - those guys were awfully good to me"
Johnson is choosing to think about the entirety of his three-plus seasons in Dallas (his record was 194-70, .735), rather than the last tumultuous week, which included on- and off-court frustrations. "I'm not thinking about how it ended; I'm think about the whole body of work," he said. "We had a lot of positive experiences. A lot of players got better. We felt did awful lot with what we had. We did not have a dominant point guard or dominant center, but the guys we had did the best they could with their skills.
"We’ll put our record in last three years against anyone's. The organization had never been to the NBA Finals. We won 60 games back-to-back seasons."
Despite his success in the regular season, Johnson knows many will emphasize his playoff flameouts - losing four straight games to the Miami Heat in the 2006 NBA Finals after winning the first two games; last season's first-round elimination by eighth-seeded Golden State; and this year's loss to the Hornets. All told, Johnson was 23-24 in the postseason, but won only three on his last 15 playoff games.
"When you get to the playoffs you need point guard play and some kind of effective inside game," he said. "We didn’t get to that point.
"The [2006] Finals are the Finals. They won and Dwayne Wade was outstanding. Somebody's gonna lose. Last season with 67 wins, that team significantly overachieved. We used to slap ourselsves and wonder how we won games. That team wasn't an outstanding team, but we won a lot of close games.
"This year we were who were - a seventh seed. We were slower and older and we got beat by a younger team."
Johnson made it clear, though, that he was not laying the blame for this year's elimination on the team's mid-season acquisition, Jason Kidd, the 35-year-old future Hall of Famer. "The organization made a decision and you gotta live with the result," he said. "I am not pointing the finger at Jason Kidd."
Johnson hasn't yet been contacted by Donnie Walsh, the new Knicks president, regarding the coaching vacancy, but is likely to hear from him soon. Reports out of Chicago say the Bulls may also be interested.
Other teams that might still coaching changes could come into the mix, as well.
Whatever happens, Johnson is intrigued by the possibilities.
"I’ve never been a free agent coach before," he said. "So this is new territory. With what we did in three years, plus I've gotten some great calls. Pop [Gregg Popovich] called, PJ [Carlisimo] called, Pat Riley called, Terry Porter called. The concensus is the future is bright."
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im too lazy and didnt read the previous 5 pages,but would he be a good fit for suns headcoach?(since mike'dantoni left)
http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/200...ery/index.html
Chris Mannix
Winning Is Everything: Absence of playoff success doomed Johnson
Story Highlights
Mavs have been one and done two straight years
Johnson won't be the Mavs' last dismissal this offseason
Could Cuban chase Krzyzewski or Izzo as coach?
Avery Johnson was not fired as head coach of the Dallas Mavericks because his relationship with owner Mark Cuban had soured. If Johnson were winning championships, he could have talked to Cuban the way Billy Walsh of "Entourage" talked to E and the Mavericks owner wouldn't have blinked.
Nor was Johnson shown the door because he clashed philosophically with point guard Jason Kidd. Not specifically, anyway. Johnson and Kidd could have engaged in WWE-style wrestling matches over strategy during timeouts -- just so long as the team was winning.
No, Johnson was fired for the reason most coaches are (or at least should be): He couldn't get the job done in the postseason.
For the second time in as many seasons, Cuban watched his $105.3 million investment exit the playoffs with barely a whimper. Last season it was the fast-breaking Golden State Warriors who sent Dallas packing, dismissing the top-seeded Mavs in six games. It only took five games this season for a young New Orleans Hornets team to bounce Dallas, leaving Cuban seething on the sidelines and in search of a fall guy.
Johnson was it.
Johnson certainly deserves credit for changing the culture in Big D. Under Don Nelson the Mavericks showed only a passing interest in playing defense. With Johnson on the sidelines, Dallas morphed into a stingy unit, ranking sixth in scoring defense this season (95.9 points per game).
That regular season success, however, did not transfer to the postseason. Much like the 2007 playoffs, Johnson couldn't devise schemes to stop the simplest of styles. Golden State ousted the Mavericks by pushing the tempo and playing a smaller defender on Dirk Nowitzki. The Hornets, who utilize the pick-and-roll as a staple, hammered Dallas over the head with it. And everything Johnson threw at Chris Paul, from traps to double-teams to different defenders, failed.
For that he was fired.
But he may not be the only one leaving Dallas.
His dismissal is likely the first in a wave of changes for the Mavericks, which Nowitzki hinted at in his postgame press conference Tuesday night. "I'm sure there are going to be some changes," said Nowitzki. "Once you don't win the championship, you always have to look at what you're going to do to make the franchise better."
Those changes could include Dirk. As disappointing as the loss to New Orleans is, Dallas won't panic and make a knee-jerk deal involving Nowitzki. But after years of steadfastly standing by his star, Cuban (who once refused to include Dirk in any deal with the Lakers for Shaquille O'Neal) may be willing to seriously entertain offers.
And Nowitzki could still fetch a nice price. At 29, he is a year removed from an MVP season and is still one of the league's elite scorers (23.6 points per game in the regular season). What if Miami lands one of the top-two picks? Could a package of Nowitzki and a future first-round pick for Shawn Marion and the Heat's choice entice Pat Riley? Could the Mavs throw in, say, Brandon Bass (the only player on Dallas who showed up for the first-round series) and get the deal done? What about Memphis? Would it package a Derrick Rose/Michael Beasley pick with Mike Miller and salary filler for Nowitzki?
Dallas will also have to explore its options at the center position. If the NBA gave out its version of the Razzie Awards for playoff series, Erick Dampier would sweep several categories. Cuban's $73 million investment contributed no points and no rebounds in 25 minutes in Game 5 and was consistently outplayed by Tyson Chandler throughout the series. There is no telling how successful Dallas would have been had it suited up a young, energetic center like Chandler. Defensive rotations would have been quicker. More shots would have been blocked, or at least altered.
Finding that type of player should be one of the Mavericks' top priorities in the offseason. The free agent pickings are slim: Emeka Okafor and Nenad Krstic are out of Dallas's price range and Primoz Brezec and Rasho Nesterovic aren't options. The Mavericks also don't have a first-round pick, having surrendered it to New Jersey in the Kidd trade. If Dallas is looking to replace Dampier, it will have to get creative.
The Mavs may also get creative in replacing Johnson. This will ostensibly be Cuban's first independent hire: He inherited Don Nelson when he bought the team in 2000 and allowed Nelson to groom Johnson as his hand-picked successor. While names of the usual candidates (Rick Carlisle, Paul Silas, Jeff Van Gundy) will be bandied about, it wouldn't surprise me to see Cuban make a big-money bid for Duke's Mike Krzyzewski or Michigan State's Tom Izzo. Krzyzewski flirted with the Lakers in 2004 while Izzo said recently that he would be open to talking to NBA teams.
The Mavericks are in line for an overhaul. Just how big is the only question.
Cuban has penis envy so bad he would take PJ if he hadn't just gotten a job.
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Originally Posted by spurscenter
I think the firing of D'Antoni and Johnson are related in large part to expectations. I don't think the Nuggets, despite acquiring Iverson have such lofty goals. I don't ever hear of them speaking in terms of winning championships, just staying competitive.
I think Pop benefits from having someone with NBA HC experience on his staff.