phil was criticizing pop on PTI just now
"i know some will say i've done it too but it was always on the ball fouls not away from the ball..."
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phil was criticizing pop on PTI just now
"i know some will say i've done it too but it was always on the ball fouls not away from the ball..."
I kind of agreed.
I dont like the hack-a-shaq business. I rather see the Spurs defend then "buying" some points.
And do we really care what this man says?
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Originally Posted by Jayem
Well, goddamn Phil...If you'd a just told us the proper way to purposely foul sooner!!
Phil just rules man.
He's right. While it may be good strategy, it's mainly just fucking tacky, and frustrating to watch as a fan. I'm pretty confident in saying that the forefathers of the game probably didn't have it in mind when they created the game. I feel like we don't need to stoop to that level to be successful. Then again, this is the first time I remember Pop doing it for a sustained period of time, and I doubt we'll see it again. Now, I know 98% of this board would eat Pop's feces if he asked them to, so I don't expect many to agree with me in criticizing his choice to do it.
I can't stand Phillis. I'm so glad the Lakers are good again so we can kick their ass in the Playoffs :hungry:
Phil is right....
Spurs are cheap. Pop is a COWARD, HACK A SHAQ IS A JOKE.
You don't see the Wizards, HACK A BEN WALLACE. He shoots worst than Shaq. Atleast some teams still have respect for the game.
Well, what the hell were we supposed to do? It's not Pop's fault that Shaq is no longer good enough to actually warrant throwing him the ball.
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Originally Posted by Medvedenko
He used the strategy against Shaq (Chicago vs. Orlando)
He used the strategy against Bowen in 2003 & 2004
Who gives a shit if it's good coaching or not? Winning is all that matters.
And I know I'm repeating what many other have said for years, if Shaq or his coach don't want this tactic employed, teach the fat fuck to hit a free throw.
Not many good things come out of his mouth. He's a guy who takes himself for granted all the time.
Phil is such an ego centric coach he doesn't want others claiming success for using his strategies...
Phil has never ever ever ever wanted to give the Spurs their due.... he has always publically lambasted, criticized and belittled the Spurs.
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Originally Posted by Peja On A Stick
ps: fuck phil. without kobe/mj he'd be nothing.
It's only good coaching if HE is the one using it. Doesn't matter if it's effective, or not. As long as Col. Sanders does it, it's the only way that it's good coaching.
Geez Pop. Get a clue.
Kick their ass in the playoffs again?
Pop has only beaten Phil Jackson ONCE in the playoffs, and that was when the 3-peat Lakers were at their weakest in terms of a supporting cast. Phil Jackson, OTOH, has beaten Pop 3 times. If there is any ownage going on, it's Phil owning Pop.
I don't expect most Spurs fans to actually agree with what Phil is saying. But deep down I know you are all embarrassed that your coach and organization would have to stoop to such tactic for such a sustained period of time just to get a win.
The Pop hack a Shaq is all about getting into Shaq's head and raising the pressure on him so doesn't have chance to get rolling in the game and less about getting the ball back on offense.
I love how people cry about it now even though I don't remeber any talking about rule changes back when they did it to Timmy.
Go SPURS!
:lobt::lobt::lobt::lobt::flag:
Just starting his mind games....and Phil did foul when the player actually got the ball in their hands...not off the ball. I may be mistaken but that's what I've seen, which is nothing new as wilt was hacked the same way back in the day.
The difference there is that both Wizards and Cavaliers are average teams. Those two can fight it out. Kind of like the best of the worse.Quote:
Originally Posted by Peja On A Stick
Remind me which plays the Spurs run for Bowen where that would actually apply? Phil wouldn't have his team foul Bowen while he was in the act of shooting his corner threes now would he?Quote:
Originally Posted by Medvedenko
Again, Phil is a lying hypocrite. Bowen has always been 'hacked' off the ball.
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Originally Posted by DazedAndConfused
Again the difference then was Shaq and Kobe and oh may I remind you that Rick Fox, Derek Fisher and even our own Robert Horry was part of that team that beat the Spurs all those times.
Lakers at the time had a wayyy more in-depth bench then the Spurs.
Now its a different story. Now they have Kobe and Pau.
If not for a Fisher miracle they would be tied in playoff series head-to-heads....Quote:
Originally Posted by DazedAndConfused
Selective memory forum.
not embarrassed one bit... we won the series right? that's all that counts. i could care less how.Quote:
Originally Posted by DazedAndConfused
The Zit Master is a gravy-training punk. Do the people who didn't like Pop's strategy realize that after Mike the Woodchuck had to take Fat O'Neal out of the game, Parker drove to the basket for two layups shortly thereafter? It's called strategy.
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Originally Posted by CubanMustGo
Anyone who thinks Phil is right...is an imbecile.
Basketball at the NBA level is all about mental toughness. If your in the NBA, your one of the best players in the world, after that, it's all in the head. Anyone who takes it for more, or less, than what it is...is a fool. The NBA has been about mental toughness since it began.
Everybody plays mind games in the NBA. And every fucking moron that is agreeing with Phil just don't have the common sense God gave a goose.
Cuz Phil is playing those same mind games, right now.
Hi Princess Pimp. Didn't take you long. :sleepQuote:
Originally Posted by Peja On A Stick
Oh, but he did when Shaq caught the ball and was about to score, so it's completely justified :rolleyes
well he is the best coach in the nba and we'll probably have to go throw him to reach the finalsQuote:
Originally Posted by nfg3
yeah thats what he said.. "i used it against shaq in orlando but it was always when he had the ball looking to score. fouling away from the ball isn't good coaching and bad for the game"Quote:
Originally Posted by Phenomanul
No it wouldn't. Fisher's shot was in Game 5, which was not the elimination game of that series. The Spurs lost the following game which eliminated them from the playoffs. Next.Quote:
Originally Posted by Phenomanul
Come on, don't give us that shit. .4 was a momentum changer and there was no way even the Spurs could pick themselves up after that dagger.Quote:
Originally Posted by DazedAndConfused
- Mars
When he used it against Bruce it was AWAY FROM THE BALL..
y doesnt he keep his dipshit mouth shut. Im sure pop doesnt like many aspects of his coaching too but theres no point to say anything. What does he know. When you can win championships without the greatest 2 players to ever play the game on your team you can talk.
"Do as I say, not as I did" forum.
theres no rules against it....YET.
but if i were greg popavich then i would do anything to win as well, including hack a shaq. as of right now it aint cheating, its more of a stratagy
Someone needs to remind Phil that the Spurs won the series 4-1.
I'd bet a paycheck that Phil will use a similar strategy at some point in a Spurs/LA series should those two matchup. Bowen will be on the floor a lot more against Kobe, and I'd be shocked if Phil doesn't try to send Bowen to the line in an attempt to get the Lakers back into the game.
Like Pop hasn't had transcendent talent to work with???
Tim Duncan - Greatest PF of all time
David Robinson - HOF
Ginobli - HOF
Parker - HOF
Pop has had just as much talent to play with. You don't win in this league without superstar talent, it's very rare that a team like DET who has no superstar wins a championship.
And Mars, you gotta make your breaks in the playoffs. The Suns could say the same thing about Game 1, had it not been for a lucky ass Tim Duncan shot they would have won the 1st game and the momentum would have swung their direction. Don't give me this woulda-coulda-shoulda BS.
Our strategy for the whole series was to go at Shaq. Get to the rim. Have Tim post him up often to get him in foul trouble. Shaq's presence on the court obviously took the Suns out of their normal superfast style of playing. Hacking Shaq only brought their personality complex to the forefront. And if this strategy can be interpreted by some as fuck you to Shaq, then I'm cool with that too.
To summarize, this strategy amplified their inherent confusion and lack of confidence. We beat them in 5, and though this strategy isn't the #1 reason, I'm not going to start nit-picking the results.
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Originally Posted by Medvedenko
Coach Phillis Coattails is fucked...............if the Lakers play the SPurs!:flag:
After being robbed of the 'swing' game which statistically speaking produces the series winner 86% of the time... (93% when the Game 5 victory is a road steal in a 2-2-1-1-1 format).Quote:
Originally Posted by DazedAndConfused
The Lakers needed that gimme' from the time-keepers to steal the series. A Game 6 victory for the Spurs at the Staples center ('ala 2003) was almost impossible given the context of the Laker's Game 5 victory (see Lakers in 2003 after losing in such a dramatic fashion against the Spurs in Game 5).
Phil Jackson is just being Phil again - playing head games. The Spurs beat the Suns 4-1 and that including some hacking, so I guess it turned out to be pretty good coaching, hmmm? If they had lost, maybe you could have called it bad.
What people fail to recognize often is that hacking is not simply about seeing whether the person makes their FTs or not - you'll notice Pop continued to do it, at times, regardless of whether Shaq (or Skinner) was making them. It served another, more important purpose: It disrupted the offensive rhythm. Pop was very specific about using the hack-a-Shaq technique whenever the Suns seemed to be surging, or about to surge, because Phoenix's offense thrives on momentum. And I'd say --given the outcome--his plan worked beautifully.
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Originally Posted by gmanrulz
Pop addresses these issues with class and wouldn't ever stoop to criticize another coach in the media.
Phil Jackson has always been a classless jerk.
Completely agree. :tuQuote:
Originally Posted by Reverend Midge
Why would anyone expect Phil to compliment or agree with anything the Spurs do? He's the douche that labeled our '99 championship an "asterisk" (you know, because the Spurs had a clear advantage that year-it's not like every other team in the league had the same opportunity as the Spurs).
The best team always wins in a 7 game series. If a team can't bounce back from a .4 situation, or a game in which its players are suspended, or an injury, or whatever else, then they aren't the best team in the NBA that year.Quote:
Originally Posted by Phenomanul
Spurs weren't the best team in 2004 and 2006. They were close - damn close - but not the best.
The Suns have been damn close for several years now. But they have never been the best.
I would agree, except for the fact that DazedAndConfuzed is trying to suggest that Phil >>>>>>>>>> Pop. When really I see them as equals...Quote:
Originally Posted by Supergirl
9 doesn't equal 3 1/2Quote:
Originally Posted by Phenomanul
Embarrassed.Quote:
Originally Posted by DazedAndConfused
No.
If anyone should be embarrassed it should be Shaquille for never have improving his free throw shooting over a 13 year span.
The way I see it, is that we are giving someone two FREE baskets.
Strategy and winning has nothing to do with what is enjoyable to watch.
Phil has a better Win% in reg season and playoffsQuote:
Originally Posted by Phenomanul
Phil has the most wins than anyone else in the playoffs.
Phil has the head to head edge
Phil has more rings and is tied for most all time
Does that mean Pop is not a great coach, nope, but not on Phil's level.
It's like Kobe compared to Jordan
Phil was lucky.Quote:
Originally Posted by DazedAndConfused
Never played a team with an all-star level Tony Parker and Ginobili during his threepeat.
Why do you seem suprised PJ said something negative about the Spurs/Pop. He's always trying to make them look bad.
Think about it, he hates the Spurs and/or Pop. Everybody is always raving about the best run organization that starts with Pop. He has Head Coaches, assistants and GM's all over the league that are directly related to Pop/Spurs. He's freaking hates that.
No he played on a team with an all star level Stockton/Malone...Quote:
Originally Posted by Ronaldo McDonald
Oh and Gino and Tony are going to need to play at that level against the hornets.
Mind games... It was good coaching.
He may not criticize other coaches in the media, but he certainly has no problem trashing GM's and other teams as a whole.Quote:
Originally Posted by Phenomanul
"What they did in Memphis is beyond comprehension," Popovich told SI.com. "There should be a trade committee that can scratch all trades that make no sense. I just wish I had been on a trade committee that oversees NBA trades. I would have voted no to the L.A. trade."
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Originally Posted by Medvedenko
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Originally Posted by Medvedenko
Phil's legacy can certainly be attributed to not having to face as talented a Spurs team as it is now.
I would wish you actually think a little before posting anything.Quote:
Originally Posted by DazedAndConfused
I don't agree with Phil because of what he said: "i know some will say i've done it too but it was always on the ball fouls not away from the ball..."
What's the fucking difference????? you wait until the big guy has the ball under the rim and hit him hard so he can't score. Then it becomes 2 FTs.
So essentially it's exactly the same - just trying to fly under the radar.
If there's a coach who has an ego bigger than himself thats Phil Jackson. Only has been able to win anything with big time players in his teams. That's all. He talks too much and he takes himself for granted 9 out of 10 times.
He's stating the obvious and what everyone else thinks. And this is one case only. Phil is an asshole all the time.Quote:
Originally Posted by DazedAndConfused
Are you saying the Heat were the best team in 06? Laugh.Quote:
Originally Posted by Supergirl
Lay off the crackpipe Biff.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ronaldo McDonald
2000 WCF against the Portland Trailblazers
Arvydas Sabonis C
Rasheed Wallace PF
Scottie Pippen SF
Steve Smith SG
Damon Stoudamire PG
Jermaine O'Neal C
Brian Grant PF
Detlef Schrempf SF
Bonzi Wells SG
Greg Anthony PG
2002 WCF against the Sacramento Kings
Vlade Divac C
Chris Webber PF
Predrag Stojakovic SF
Doug Christie SG
Mike Bibby PG
Scot Pollard F - C
Lawrence Funderburke PF
Hidayet Turkoglu SF
Gerald Wallace SF
Bobby Jackson PG
He can pretty much say anything...he's rich...he's got the rings..he has the boss's daughter..
Having said that, F u Phil. I can say whatever I want too.
Spurs fan is jealous of Phil Jackson. They wish their coach wasn't an ugly acne ridden control freak with zero personality.
Yea, you just proved my point.Quote:
Originally Posted by DazedAndConfused
Not one of those teams are as good as us, which is exactly why they won nothing. Nada. Zip.
Refs won that for you. :lolQuote:
Originally Posted by DazedAndConfused
If being an asshole is considered personality then I'm glad Pop doesn't have one. :lolQuote:
They wish their coach wasn't an ugly acne ridden control freak with zero personality.
It's all about gamesmanship. Pop likes to do it on the court (including intentionally fouling a shitty free throw shooter) and Phil likes to do it off the court. Nothing new, and Phil's strategy is not better or holier than Pop's: it's all a game.
Coaches who comment (negatively) on the coaching performances of their colleagues show a tremendous lack of class and respect. But I guess that doesn't really matter to Lakers fans since they focus on the really important things, like the way a coach looks or whether or not he has "personality."
Well, in their defense, it's LA after all. :lolQuote:
But I guess that doesn't really matter to Lakers fans since they focus on the really important things, like the way a coach looks or whether or not he has "personality."
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Originally Posted by Medvedenko
mj was greater then stockton and malone combinedQuote:
Originally Posted by Medvedenko
Those are your best examples?? :lmaoQuote:
Originally Posted by DazedAndConfused
I have met Pop several times, and he is a genuine nice man, and always makes me and everyone around him laugh.
I guess it all depends on where you are coming from, but I bet if you approached Phil he would laugh at you, and bitch you out for trying to talk to him.
I don't think the Spurs did it just to get a win. I think they did it to embarass a classless opponent, and I love it. Couldn't happen to a nicer bunch of losers.Quote:
Originally Posted by DazedAndConfused
On a mildly unrelated note, the best quote from Phil Jackson happened today.
Tony K: When Mitch Kupchak came to you and said "I can get Pau Gasol for Kwame Brown," What did you say to that?
Phil: "No, you can't."
:lol
Opinions are like a$$holes.
Everybody has one, and they all stink.
Even Phil Jackson.
Really though, its all a matter of opinion. It always makes me chuckle to see how hyped and aggrivated people around the league/fans get anytime phil jackson says anything regarding the Spurs.
Who CARES.
Oh and for the record. The spurs team is better than the Laker team this year. However, Phil is the better coach.
That remains to be seen. :lolQuote:
Originally Posted by Medvedenko
Possibly.Quote:
However, Phil is the better coach.
"YOU PLAAAYYYYYYYYYYYY TOOOOOOO WINNNNNNN THE GAMEEEEEEEE...
HELLLLLLLLLOOOOO...
YOUUUUUUUUU PLAY TOOOO WIN THEEE GAME..."
- Herm Edwards
http://youtube.com/watch?v=IMk5sMHj58I
the fvck what KFC man has to say.
Every coach in the NBA is overrated. Phil included.Quote:
Originally Posted by Medvedenko
That one is the only one Pop has any sayso in... And what I'm saying is that it required a miracle for the head to head not to be 2-2.Quote:
Originally Posted by Medvedenko
But that's right... Phil Jackson is a lying jerk... he does have that going for him as well.
ROFL. He always talks shit when he's afraid.
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Originally Posted by Medvedenko
They don't call him Coach Coattails for nothin!
Exactly! They won't make it past Utah though!Quote:
Originally Posted by SPARKY
It's the playoffs. You do what you can to win. It's the other team's job to adapt. Phoenix could have adapted by taking Shaq out of the game or teaching him how to shoot free throws.
Who gives a damn what Phil Jackson said? Spurs win it all and no one will remember Hackashaq 5 or even 10 years from except pissy Suns fans, they'll only remember the Spurs repeated in 2008 and won their fifth ring in ten years.
When will people learn to just ignore Phil Jackson? The only time he talks shit about other teams and coaches is when he's afraid of them and feels he needs to start playing mind games.
I think Phil is a great coach, one of the best ever, no doubt.Quote:
Originally Posted by DazedAndConfused
BUT.
Even I could coach Michael Jordan/Scottie Pippen to a couple of titles.
Maybe phil should start a committe regarding the hack a shaq.......
He tweaks teams that he feels threatened by. How they and their fans respond to it is very telling.Quote:
Originally Posted by SPARKY
Phil always talks shit about Pop.
Fuck him. Just make it to the WCF and Spurs will try to do the same.
No, you couldn't.Quote:
Originally Posted by camarosuper6
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Originally Posted by Medvedenko
Here, here....Quote:
Originally Posted by BonnerDynasty
^:lol
Phil is better than Pop. He's not lightyears ahead of Pop but he is a better coach. He's better at figuring out a team's weakness and exploiting it and he's quicker to make adjustments in a series (Pop is good at in game adjustments). I do think Phil has had better overall talent than Pop has had with the Spurs, but even then, he won 3 in a row THREE SEPARATE TIMES. That is an unbelievably hard task. Pop is a HOF coach just as Phil is but unfortunately I would have to think Phil is a better coach than Pop.
You certainly don't understand the concept of collusion. Not only does it break the CBA's rules, it is a form of fraud - a crime.Quote:
Originally Posted by DazedAndConfused
The Lakers raped the league to snatch a legit all-star in Pau Gasol for scrubs. Your analogy is invalidated by that context.
If the year that they threw those double teams at Timmy in the last few minutes of the fourth quarter to fuck him up, as well as the series against the big 4 weren't enough to make me think Pop's looking up at Phil, then Pop's complete fuckup of the 2006 season was.Quote:
Originally Posted by td4mvp21
Yes I could.Quote:
Originally Posted by Obstructed_View
And Im only HALF kidding.
roflQuote:
Originally Posted by Medvedenko
I am missing something? I get the feeling PJ has no love lost for Pop.
If the spurs and the lakers meet in the WCF....I'm sure "Laker God" will be back.....than all shit will hit the fan.
This belongs in the premature ejaculation/repressed homosexual Laker troll forum.Quote:
Originally Posted by lakaluva
tell derek fisher to do the same.Quote:
Originally Posted by lakaluva
You belong in the under 20 post forum that has issues with gender.Quote:
Originally Posted by Bartleby
Yeah, whatever. I just think the whole "fag this" and "fag that" is somewhat juvenile.Quote:
Originally Posted by Medvedenko