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What is Tim Duncan's religion?
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*predicts a duncan228 post with the correct answer*
*meanwhile, consults wikipedia*
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I dont think he goes to church.
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He's a level 60 merlin in D&D
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when i looked through the search results of 'tim duncan religion' on google, i found this:
http://www.spurstalk.com/forums/show....php?p=2442499
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He is the Crucian Shaman. :tu
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He's Manuist. Hardcore Manuist.
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church of the poison mind
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duncan228 in 4, 3, 2.....
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I actually don't know. *The crowd gasps.*
There's not too much I don't know about him, if it's out there I find it. I've never found anything about him and religion.
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Voodoo. Look very very closely at his seat under the bench and you'll see Jobu.
http://www.softballfans.com/forums/i...ine=1191397848
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duncan228
I actually don't know. *The crowd gasps.*
There's not too much I don't know about him, if it's out there I find it. I've never found anything about him and religion.
The world is coming to an end. :downspin:
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duncan228
I actually don't know. *The crowd gasps.*
There's not too much I don't know about him, if it's out there I find it. I've never found anything about him and religion.
:lol
A little gasp only.... but we know you would be the one to know if the info was out there.
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K-State Spur
You no help me now.....I say fuck you Jobu, I do it myself.
:lol
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Just a question.. is there any point in a game where Duncan points his fingers up above as if to thank the one?
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samikeyp
You no help me now.....I say fuck you Jobu, I do it myself.
:lol
:lmao
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bdictjames
Just a question.. is there any point in a game where Duncan points his fingers up above as if to thank the one?
Yes... I think duncan228 probably has a pic of him doing so.
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Los Spurs
He's a Jehovah's Witness
source?
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bigfundamental21
Yes... I think duncan228 probably has a pic of him doing so.
Aight man, for a second there I thought Duncan was an atheist. If he was Im not sure he's even human. :lol
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duncan228
I actually don't know.
And I can shit solved rubik's cubes.
Really, what's his religion please? ;)
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Mr.Bottomtooth
And I can shit solved rubik's cubes.
Really, what's his religion please? ;)
:lol
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bdictjames
Just a question.. is there any point in a game where Duncan points his fingers up above as if to thank the one?
Duncan points both index fingers up after a big win. A big Playoff win or a Championship. He also looks up when he does it. Somewhere I have a quote from his sister that says he still hears his mothers voice cheering him on. I think that's why he points. He's connecting with his parents who aren't there to see it.
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Mr.Bottomtooth
And I can shit solved rubik's cubes.
Really, what's his religion please? ;)
I'm keeping it a secret with his son's name. :)
I think it's the only 2 things I don't know about him.
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duncan228
Duncan points both index fingers up after a big win. A big Playoff win or a Championship. He also looks up when he does it. Somewhere I have a quote from his sister that says he still hears his mothers voice cheering him on. I think that's why he points. He's connecting with his parents who aren't there to see it.
I wish his Parents were alive not only to cheer him on but to see his beautiful children...
:depressed
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duncan228
Duncan points both index fingers up after a big win. A big Playoff win or a Championship. He also looks up when he does it. Somewhere I have a quote from his sister that says he still hears his mothers voice cheering him on. I think that's why he points. He's connecting with his parents who aren't there to see it.
Wow, I wasn't expecting that much info, but thanks.
Duncan is a weird guy. Weird is cool in my book.
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duncan228
I'm keeping it a secret with his son's name. :)
I think it's the only 2 things I don't know about him.
Well then there's only one thing to do...
break into his house.
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TNT showed Duncan's daughter in the 05-06 season I think, she was a very cute kid.
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bdictjames
Wow, I wasn't expecting that much info, but thanks.
You guys should know by now...Ask me about Duncan and I'll talk. :lol
And it's just my theory on why he points, his sister's quote is how I got there.
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Mr.Bottomtooth
Well then there's only one thing to do...
break into his house.
I don't go there Bottomtooth. :)
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In the 2003 SI SportsMen of the Year edition, they have a moment in Duncan's interview where he talks about the intersection of his religious beliefs with his relationship with David Robinson (who, of course, is very outspoken about his Christianity). He (Duncan) says that it's not a problem between them, that he does have his own religious beliefs and that DRob was respectful of that.
That's about as close as I think you are going to get. I expect, based on those statements, that he does have some sort of religious belief/belief in a higher power, but in what direction, if any, that extends, is clearly a private matter.
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Whatever religion Duncan is, it is clear that he has been blessed with unbelievable talent.
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easjer
In the 2003 SI SportsMen of the Year edition, they have a moment in Duncan's interview where he talks about the intersection of his religious beliefs with his relationship with David Robinson (who, of course, is very outspoken about his Christianity). He (Duncan) says that it's not a problem between them, that he does have his own religious beliefs and that DRob was respectful of that.
That's about as close as I think you are going to get. I expect, based on those statements, that he does have some sort of religious belief/belief in a higher power, but in what direction, if any, that extends, is clearly a private matter.
obviously not a Christian then.
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td4mvp21
TNT showed Duncan's daughter in the 05-06 season I think, she was a very cute kid.
From the Finals last year.
http://i182.photobucket.com/albums/x...-14wsydney.jpg
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easjer
...clearly a private matter.
Like most everything about his personal life.
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from his childhood experience dealing with the death of his mother at an early age and losing the only connection tim has of her when a hurricane wiped out the island's only olympic size swimming pool, i'd say he's an atheist or at the very least, a non-sectarian.
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ClingingMars
Church of Tim is right. :lol
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m33p0
from his childhood experience dealing with the death of his mother at an early age and losing the only connection tim has of her when a hurricane wiped out the island's only olympic size swimming pool, i'd say he's an atheist or at the very least, a non-sectarian.
Well, the problem of suffering sometimes leads people to disbelieve altogether. But it's an awful big leap to say that because bad things happened, then therefore there is no God, or that Tim disbelieves. We don't know this. Indeed, I know quite a few people whose faith was quickened or strengthened because of suffering and bad things happening. So it goes both ways.
I would, however, like to know where Tim stands.
BTW ... I never thought David was that outspoken about his faith. I've always found him honest and transparent, very well-mannered, and hardly controversial at all in public.
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Tim Duncan's religion - PLAYOFF WARRIOR.
Actually, I'd bet he is either agnostic or athiest. Or maybe Rastafarian.
PS 228, I'm very disappointed in you! :lol
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And Tim couldn't argue against God by denying miracles. He has clearly witnessed them -- both for him and against him.
And ... he couldn't argue against God by denying some sort of teleology or "design" in the universe, for, as it says, on the 6th day God created the Spurs. And he saw that they were perfect. How can the existence of basketball perfection happen in a non-teleological universe?
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he worships himself, for he is God
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duncan228
I'm keeping it a secret with his son's name. :)
I think it's the only 2 things I don't know about him.
We should guess Tim's son's name. I have my guesses. I actually knew about Sydney's name way before they said it in the news.
Also, I think Tim's Episcopalian. The majority of St. Croix's population is Christian, mostly protestants and he went to St. Dunstan's Episcopal High School, so it would make sense. Also when he got married I was pretty sure they said the name of the place where he got married in St. Croix.
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I don't know if this counts for anything but he used to wear that ying/yang thing when he was younger.
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i think he is a deist. he just believes in a God but doesnt know who this God is....im sure David tried his best to make him see that Jesus is Lord.....
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Trainwreck2100
he worships himself, as he is God
That raises questions, too. Lots of questions ...
Has he ever answered your prayers? (Um, yes he has. Next question.)
What has he ever created?
And, even though Tim is great, he still appears to be a finite being that exists inside the universe. How, then, can a finite being exercise infinite power, as God does? To have infinite power is necessarily dependent upon him residing outside of space and time. Yet, here he is, among us.
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I dont know what religion Timmy is but I know who his minister is.
http://www.cbc.ca/gfx/topstory/sport...regg030428.jpg
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ClingingMars
obviously not a Christian then.
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No, not necessarily. That was a big assumption on your part.
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I think Deist is the closest you are going to get to the right answer without asking the man himself.
I will say this though in the '99 championship video; there is a scene with him on the bus and he is wearing a religious necklace. Any guesses as to what it was?
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Avitus1
Yes, a man with a minister that we can believe in!
Great choice, Timmy, for your spiritual mentor.
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TD's religion??? BASKETBALL!!!
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DespЏrado
I think Deist is the closest you are going to get to the right answer without asking the man himself.
I will say this though in the '99 championship video; there is a scene with him on the bus and he is wearing a religious necklace. Any guesses as to what it was?
Well, in America, religious necklaces mean nothing. In China or Saudi Arabia, on the other hand, they mean a whole lot. Since a cross will likely get your thrown in prison in Saudi, you'll never see one there.
Deism is not a popular position in the schoolhouse, hasn't been since the 19th century. Are they still around?
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Don Quixote
Well, in America, religious necklaces mean nothing. In China or Saudi Arabia, on the other hand, they mean a whole lot. Since a cross will likely get your thrown in prison in Saudi, you'll never see one there.
Deism is not a popular position in the schoolhouse, hasn't been since the 19th century. Are they still around?
I would say they are making a comeback as a politically moderate position more than anything actually practiced, for people who accept God but not necessarily the biblical version of it.
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duncan228, I'm sure you have this picture. I used to have it on my wall but he's holding a bowling ball and you can see the ying/yang necklace a lot clearer.
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Not the one I remember seeing. But I can hardly see what that actually is.
Anyways the answer was that he was wearing a Yin Yang pendant irc. Not much of a statement of to his actual religious beliefs but it fits his low key personality and a deist like belief system.
I hope no one takes this too seriously. People are entitled to their own beliefs and practices. And Duncan is entitled to some privacy.
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DespЏrado
I would say they are making a comeback as a politically moderate position more than anything actually practiced, for people who accept God but not necessarily the biblical version of it.
Yes, deism was popular during the Enlightenment for those who were fine with his existence and the doctrine of creation, but rejected the doctrines of providence and revelation. They seemed to have an a priori objection to the supernatural; viz., Thomas Jefferson's famous Bible that had every miracle cut out of it. What were his reasons? Were they based on textual or manuscript evidence? No. It was a naturalistic bias, that's all.
I wouldn't say, though, that Tim is a deist. Clearly, God has provided for the Spurs.
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ClingingMars
obviously not a Christian then.
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Not really. My parents are very devout Christians and I consider myself a Christian yet we have different beliefs on certain issues and it's caused conflict before. So maybe Tim just has different Christian beliefs than David.
I've wondered this too. I always wondered if maybe the reason he was good friends with DRob was because maybe they shared similar beliefs. Who knows. I can see him being Christian and I could also see him being agnostic/athiest. He's a good guy either way so it doesn't really matter to me. Just a sheer curiosity thing.
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makedamnsure
duncan228, I'm sure you have this picture. I used to have it on my wall but he's holding a bowling ball and you can see the ying/yang necklace a lot clearer.
Correct answer!
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td4mvp21
Not really. My parents are very devout Christians and I consider myself a Christian yet we have different beliefs on certain issues and it's caused conflict before. So maybe Tim just has different Christian beliefs than David.
I take it you are a Calvinist, then, and your parents are Arminian. Those devils!
Or is it that they prefer the old hymns, and you like contemporary stuff. Those old farts!
Big differences indeed. :bking
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Don Quixote
Yes, deism was popular during the Enlightenment for those who were fine with his existence and the doctrine of creation, but rejected the doctrines of providence and revelation. They seemed to have an a priori objection to the supernatural; viz., Thomas Jefferson's famous Bible that had every miracle cut out of it. What were his reasons? Were they based on textual or manuscript evidence? No. It was a naturalistic bias, that's all.
I wouldn't say, though, that Tim is a deist. Clearly, God has provided for the Spurs.
Deism doesn't have to mean specifically for Duncan what it meant for Jefferson. But I just wanted to point out that I don't think Duncan is adverse to a belief in God. But he is not an outspoken advocate for it either. So I think classifying him as a deist is the closest to what you are going to get to the truth.
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Don Quixote
I take it you are a Calvinist, then, and your parents are Arminian. Those devils!
Or is it that they prefer the old hymns, and you like contemporary stuff. Those old farts!
Big differences indeed. :bking
Uh, no.
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No ... I think what you mean to say is that WE are agnostic about what he believes. Deism is not agnosticism -- it is a religious and metaphysical belief that God created the world, and then abandoned it. But we don't know that Tim believes (a) in God, (b) that He created the world, or (c) that God abandoned it.
We are reasonably sure about (a) and (b) -- they seem to go together. But we don't know at all about (c).
Of course, Tim is entitled to his privacy. You won't see me outside his front door, or calling his cell phone to ask him. But I do care about him as a person, so I guess that's why I care about his religion.
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td4mvp21
Uh, no.
I see. Your parents are dispensational pre-trib premillenials, and you are amillennial. Those demons.
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I'm as curious about everything Duncan as anyone. One of the hard things about being a fan of his is trying to respect the privacy lines he's drawn. There are things I'd like to know but he obviously doesn't want the information out. I try my best to respect his wish for privacy.
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He is whipped hardcore. So I assume whatever his wife is? I think TD is a free spirit.
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duncan228
I'm as curious about everything Duncan as anyone. One of the hard things about being a fan of his is trying to respect the privacy lines he's drawn. There are things I'd like to know but he obviously doesn't want the information out. I try my best to respect his wish for privacy.
Like I said, you won't see sticking a mic in his face, asking, "So, Tim, what's your religion!?"
On the other hand, religion is not strictly a private thing. It has a public component, no?
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Don Quixote
No ... I think what you mean to say is that WE are agnostic about what he believes. Deism is not agnosticism -- it is a religious and metaphysical belief that God created the world, and then abandoned it. But we don't know that Tim believes (a) in God, (b) that He created the world, or (c) that God abandoned it.
We are reasonably sure about (a) and (b) -- they seem to go together. But we don't know at all about (c).
Of course, Tim is entitled to his privacy. You won't see me outside his front door, or calling his cell phone to ask him. But I do care about him as a person, so I guess that's why I care about his religion.
:lol I didn't mean to get into a debate about the nature of God and our beliefs in God. I didn't mean to ascribe to Duncan the moral certainty that God abandoned the world, and nor do I think Deism has to mean one thing for all people. What you are describing is historically accurate, but as with anything in history symbols change as people and culture change around it.
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DespЏrado
:lol nor do I think Deism has to mean one thing for all people. What you are describing is historically accurate, but as with anything in history symbols change as people and culture change around it.
Let's not get postmodern here! Words mean things! :lol Deism is deism. If there's another definition, I'm all ears.
That said, I'm with the guy who suggested he's Episcopal, like much of St. Croix.
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Don Quixote
On the other hand, religion is not strictly a private thing. It has a public component, no?
Only if he makes it public. If he chooses to show up at a church or other religious house, he's making it public. If he keeps it within his family and friends, he's keeping it private. We can't know what he doesn't let out.
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Quite right. Even then, though, his religion is public with the ones he knows.
Religion has almost always had a public component, going back to the beginnings of civilization. We in the West seem to be the exception in this regard.
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Well according to two myspace fansites he's catholic, though i can't find that anywhere else. Most Virgin islanders are either Baptist, catholic, or epicopalian. I'm guessing Duncan practiceses in the church of indifference.
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Don Quixote
Let's not get postmodern here! Words mean things! :lol Deism is deism. If there's another definition, I'm all ears.
That said, I'm with the guy who suggested he's Episcopal, like much of St. Croix.
I use deism over agnosticism because agnosticism never has been a belief system that can be attributed to somebody, rather it serves our language as a negating descriptor only. IE- "I do not believe in <insert organized religions offending characteristic here.>" Deism while historically has meant one thing it has at it's very core that which agnosticism does not, a central theme of beliefs that are tenants of faith.
Therefore I called Duncan a deist. Someone who at his very core probably believes in God, but not one that is necessarily described by the biblical account. He was most likely raised to be an episcopal church member, but I am not so quick to attribute a fully Christian world view to Duncan when he wore a yin yang pendant.
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If he is Catholic that would be totally cool cos I am one too! I never really thought I'd ever find people who are bigger fans of Tim than I am! And thats saying a lot cos I really think I am his biggest fan here where Im from
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nikegirl
I never really thought I'd ever find people who are bigger fans of Tim than I am! And thats saying a lot cos I really think I am his biggest fan here where Im from
Welcome to the forum. I think you'll find a couple of big Duncan fans here. :)
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Yeah which is good to know coz there are people who understand how much I love him! And my friends here dont like him cos he keeps on killing their teams (most current one, Suns). Hey duncan228 maybe you got some really interesting stuff you can send to me about him? I really wanna see and read all the stuff casual fans do not know about him! Like that awesome pic of him with his wife, baby and Bateer! :)
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nikegirl
Like that awesome pic of him with his wife, baby and Bateer! :)
Here's the pic.
http://i182.photobucket.com/albums/x...ily/family.jpg
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anyone know?
Church of XBOX
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Don Quixote
Well, the problem of suffering sometimes leads people to disbelieve altogether. But it's an awful big leap to say that because bad things happened, then therefore there is no God, or that Tim disbelieves. We don't know this. Indeed, I know quite a few people whose faith was quickened or strengthened because of suffering and bad things happening. So it goes both ways.
I would, however, like to know where Tim stands.
BTW ... I never thought David was that outspoken about his faith. I've always found him honest and transparent, very well-mannered, and hardly controversial at all in public.
its one of the sublte and yet most profound moment in a person's life when a belief is either strengthened or dismantled e.g. when a child finally learns that there is no santa (laugh if you will, but that is profound).
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Tek_XX
Well according to two myspace fansites he's catholic, though i can't find that anywhere else. Most Virgin islanders are either Baptist, catholic, or epicopalian. I'm guessing Duncan practiceses in the church of indifference.
If he's from the islands, you forgot one other religion possibility. The Rastafarians. Duncan could be right there with Bob Marley but isn't as stupid as Josh Howard in admitting pot use. Hallie Selassie baby!!
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Los Spurs
He's a Jehovah's Witness
Robert Pack became one not too long ago. Seriously too. He lives over near the Hebron/Carrolton area. On the side, I work under him as a travel agent and play basketball with him from time to time. The dude is still in amazing shape and can still jump out of this world. It's really not even fun to play with him because he makes everyone else look so bad.
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Tek_XX
Well according to two myspace fansites he's catholic, though i can't find that anywhere else. Most Virgin islanders are either Baptist, catholic, or epicopalian. I'm guessing Duncan practiceses in the church of indifference.
I can create a myspace right now and say it's Tony Parker's..............Bad source
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m33p0
its one of the sublte and yet most profound moment in a person's life when a belief is either strengthened or dismantled e.g. when a child finally learns that there is no santa (laugh if you will, but that is profound).
So true in my case. when I found this out, it was the 1st day of the rest of my life. The true wake up call. It cause me to question EVERYTHING that I have been told ever since. I trust no ones statements with proof period. The santa bullshit needs to be rework at the very least. BAH humbug, thus the phase "Happy Holidays".
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Tim is a child of the universe
no less than the trees and the stars;
He has a right to be here.
And whether or not it is clear to you,
no doubt the universe is unfolding as it should.
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Is he a druid, a pagan? j/k
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inagra
she a hottie
The Chinese person in the middle is not a lesbian.
He's a former Spur.
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He's a fundamentalist, obviously.
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Timmy has his own religion....rub his belly or go fuck yourselves
http://www.danwashburn.com/blogger/buddhaduncan.gif
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stretch
Robert Pack became [a Jehovah's Witness] not too long ago. Seriously too.
Yikes! What was he thinking?
Did his wife drag him in? Was he raised a JW? Or did he not do too much research?
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Tim used to be a Branch Davidian, but gave that up after God struck down Mt. Carmal.
Now Tim is a Christian disciple of Origen Adamantius of Alexandria:
Origen
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Origen