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I'm planning a trip to the islands and found this old gem: Tim in St. Croix talking about his childhood. When his hometown pool was destroyed by Hugo, he turned to basketball.
He speaks of God at the 5:40 mark - blessings and having a plan for him.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5asWo...eature=related
Part two if you haven't seen it.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iH3C4...eature=related
We are lucky fans.
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Since no scientific explanation (in terms of physical laws) can provide a causal account of the origin of the universe, the cause must be personal (explanation is given in terms of a personal agent) - God.
Man can't provide a rational explanation, thus he shall concoct an irrational one.
Because........everything must have an explanation!!!!! :lol
sigh.
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Originally Posted by Agloco
If the universe (or megauniverse) is infinate there should be a huge amount of alien basketball teams out there, even some with Easter bunnies in them! In such a universe everything you can imagine and things you can't even imagine will happen all the time. But I think it's ok to just believe in the Spurs because we will never see the other great teams of the universe.
So let me get this straight, you think less of Duncan because he is a religious man? Those same morals have allowed him to grow into the man he is today. And I wouldn't have him any other way.Quote:
Originally Posted by hemann82
Can you conclusively demonstrate otherwise? I'm all ears.Quote:
Originally Posted by tmtcsc
I don't follow. Why is it necessary to invoke a God to fill in the gaps in our knowledge? Everything in due time. At one point in time we had no knowledge of bacteria either. At that point we had the most advanced technology and smartest scientists in the history of the world as well.Quote:
Originally Posted by tmtcsc
We now know what caused bubonic plague, etc. It wasn't a God, just as most assuredly a God isn't the cause of todays failings either.
It's the "what" part of your statement that you don't really entertain tbh.Quote:
Originally Posted by tmtcsc
:lol it's too easy ain't it Agloco? The same, rehashed, irrational arguments over and over again.
"There's no way the universe could have come into being through natural means, an infinitely powerful, infinitely complex, all knowing deity must have created it!"
Really? Cool. What created that infinitely powerful, infinitely complex, all knowing deity? If an infinitely powerful deity is required to create universes, surely a process of infinitely infinite complexity is required to create that being!
"LOL DON'T BE DUMB GOD ALWAYS EXISTED I'VE DEFINED HIM TO BE MAGICAL HE CAN DO ANYTHING HE'S ALWAYS EXISTED"
Really? So deities can always exist but universes cannot always exist? How do you know that?
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It's like you have to spoon feed them step by step (Wait, that's an argument from ignorance! Just because you can't fathom how a universe could come into being through natural means doesn't mean you can make up your own explanation for it to assuage your own ignorance. Wait, that's special pleading - you claim the universe requires a cause but you fail to apply the same, faulty logic to your own God. Wait, that's a non-fucking-sequitur, even if I agreed that you proved that the universe has a cause, that's all you can say about it, you can't then go "oh by the way that cause is Allah, an infinitely powerful infinitely complex being who has written his law into the Q'uran), one simple idea after another, before they "get it," and inevitably like clockwork they'll throw their hands up in the air and say something along the lines of "it's my faith I've had a personal experience that proves it and nothing you say could change that."
And you're point? Why do you have a problem with people who have faith? Does it affect you in any way? You choose what you want to believe and they choose what they want to believe. Plain and simple. Look, life can be a real s.o.b. Sometimes religion can help, and if it does help and makes a person a better version of what they are, then there is nothing wrong with it.Quote:
Originally Posted by jARS mEsH sEt
Now there is no doubt that the religous bigots that enforce their faiths on to others and are a walking contradiciton for what they supposedly believe in hamper the improvement of society. But some one on the internet that has a different view on how the world is created causes you to have a problem with the person is kinda comical. What he believes has no impact on your life.
Would it upset you if he believed that a certain fruit you absolutely hate is his favorite?
Seems it is reasonable to ask why one has faith in what one believes to be true. Some people require reasonable explanations that are based on testable ideas. Others can have faith in tradition and beliefs that have come before them that are not testable. One can be proven right or wrong based on what we believe to be rigorous testing and modeling; The other is impossible to even begin to lend itself to the rigor involved in the first.Quote:
Originally Posted by SpursRock20
So imo its no big deal... Very different ways of looking at how faith in a belief is acquired. Because both are usually attempting to answer very different types of questions both of which rely on very different methods. Its when people try to mix these "ways to belief" that it gets ugly.
As far as Tim:
Church of the Flying Spaghetti Monster. That is my belief based on faith in absurd thoughts. Carry on.
Good point. There is nothing wrong with asking. But insulting another for their faith and carrying on and on does not get either of the two anywhere. Is it actually possible that one will budge on the religion that they have valued for their lifetime over an internet forum? They are just getting entrenched deeper in their ideas.Quote:
Originally Posted by pgardn
jARS mEsH sEt shitting on religites :lmao
Lol, I'll do that after you explain to me how Something can come from Nothing.Quote:
Originally Posted by Agloco
There are no gaps to be filled. My faith tells me God is the creator. The how is merely entertainment. Science will never be able to explain how the Universe was created because Science can only measure that which exists. In other words, there are no formulas to explain Nothing. Even dark matter is Something. If you believe in the Big Bang theory as the beginning of our universe, you are still stuck trying to explain who or what caused the big bang. It didn't just merely happen out of Nothing.Quote:
Originally Posted by Agloco
My faith in God wasn't the result of a search for the beginning of the Universe. In all actuality, I really don't care how it was created. That's for philosophy junkies to banter about.
Once in a very rare while, I will drop in on this thread. I don't know why. Sort of like leaning over to look at a traffic accident. But out of all the times I have scanned the posts in this thread, this is certainly the most (and perhaps the only) mature and rational comment I have ever read.Quote:
Originally Posted by SpursRock20
The one thing I can say is that the group who scream their unwavering belief in science (and our understanding of it) are acting on "faith" every bit as much as those who scream their belief in God. Our scientists are shamans of the first order, teaching of things like quantum entanglement and wave-particle duality as if they really know what the hell is going on. They don't. The sad thing is that some people simply "take them at their word", but scoff at those who do the same thing when considering the existence of God.
The only things we really know for certain are that we are desperately short on answers, and there is more here than meets the eye. I could spend another couple of pages on that, but I won't. SpursRock20 pretty much said it all: nobody's getting convinced to change their view on an Internet forum. It would give me a little extra hope for the world if a few people could at least learn to chill out and quit trying.
There's this thing called quantum physics/mechanics and even though it's not mentioned in the bible for some strange reason, you might want to read a bit about it.Quote:
Originally Posted by tmtcsc
Anyway, it's a good thing you have enough trust in science to use stuff like computers and the internet, inventions based on speculations about "electrons" and other crazy things scientists/shamans have made up... But I agree with the general idea of your post, let people believe what they want if it makes them happy :toastQuote:
Originally Posted by GSH
I'm familiar with Quantum physics/mechanics (even though its not mentioned in the bible - for a very good reason). I think you need to read about it, learn it and then come back here and explain how it answers Something coming from Nothing. It doesn't.Quote:
Originally Posted by BG_Spurs_Fan
You really aren't familiar with QM, so I've nothing further to discuss with you. I don't mind people who are genuinely truly religious, I don't like people who are obnoxious when they know fuck all. Cheers.
Weak. You've been exposed as nothing more than sarcastic and cowardly, hiding behind a Physics theory you don't understand. Therefore you are bailing on this conversation.Quote:
Originally Posted by BG_Spurs_Fan
Your big answer to how Something can come from Nothing lies in the fact that Quantum Physics describes the universe as being different then the world we see.
Contrary to the way you've entered and exited this conversation, I'll give you an answer:
1.Quantum Physics didn't exist as a subject to be studied when the Bible was written. - Pretty straight forward a not a strange reason at all for it not being in the Bible.
Even so, the authors of the Bible were wise enough to explain that God is, was and always will be.
-- God exists outside of the Time and Space continuum as we know it, and as far as science has taken us.
-- I thought you would come in here with theories of a Multiverse. Nope, you ran.
Cheers, run fast and enjoy the breeze!
Why wasn't God wise enough to give mankind something better than the Bible?Quote:
Originally Posted by tmtcsc
Is this also explained somewhere in the Bible?Quote:
-- God exists outside of the Time and Space continuum as we know it, and as far as science has taken us.
Define better, I think its pretty amazing. What did you have in mind considering the audience? Some sort of textbook filled with science that really wasn't developed as a discipline yet? The Bible wasn't meant to appease science.Quote:
Originally Posted by Blake
Would you have rather God waited until now to send Jesus or prophets to Earth?
Just trying to discuss these topics put forward by scientists, philosophers and amateurs (like me) is mind boggling. The Bible is a collection of parables and/or stories that needed to be simple, to the point and understandable.
There were collections of similar stories projecting the same code of morality long before the Bible.Quote:
Originally Posted by tmtcsc
Who is making that claim?Quote:
Originally Posted by tmtcsc
I don't believe in any of the established religions (that make no sense to me at all because they are human-centric and humanity is nothing in the universe but a grain of sand really) but I don't look down on people who do because I think it gives some kind of confidence that can really help some people. Most successful athletes believe in God. Actually even some great scientists believe in God.
That said the big bang theory and the origin of water (by extension life) that exists in several places inside the universe do present questions we are not able to answer right now. But human centric religions are most likely power tools used by human to control their peers, wives etc...
Now in the not-so-distant future there will be a cross-road and a clash between Old religions and the Technology-centered religion. Ultimately technology followers will fuse with machines to increase their abilities, life expectancy and so on (technically evolving from humanity) while God followers will resist/oppose it.
There's a good documentary that talks about that :
If the Bible was simple, there wouldn't so many different denominations.Quote:
Originally Posted by tmtcsc
It's a contradictory, mis-translated crock of shit, imo.