Stein: League acknowledges Spurs' Barry was fouled

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League acknowledges Spurs' Barry was fouled
By Marc Stein
ESPN.com

The league office on Wednesday reviewed the final play of the San Antonio Spurs' 93-91 home loss to the Los Angeles Lakers in Game 4 of the Western Conference finals and acknowledged that a two-shot foul should have been called on Derek Fisher for impeding Brent Barry.

After falling behind by seven points in the final minute, San Antonio sliced the deficit to two and regained possession with 2.1 seconds to play.

Barry then wound up with the ball in the center of the floor on a play called for Manu Ginobili and faked Fisher in the air but struggled to get off a 3-point heave at the buzzer after Fisher came down and bumped Barry.

"With the benefit of instant replay, it appears a foul call should have been made," league spokesman Tim Frank said Wednesday.

The miss sealed an L.A. victory that moved the Lakers into a commanding 3-1 series lead entering Thursday's Game 5 at Staples Center.

But the Spurs did not protest the non-call afterward, even though a foul called before the shot would have sent Barry to the line for two free throws and a chance to force overtime.

The non-call nonetheless generated more than the usual scrutiny because the closest referee to the play was Joey Crawford, with whom San Antonio has a contentious recent history.

"That play," Barry said, "was not where the game was lost."

The Spurs, in truth, wouldn't have had a chance to tie or win the game in the final two seconds if not for a fortuitous non-call on the previous possession.

Television replays indicated that Fisher's shot with 6.9 seconds to go grazed the rim before bouncing out of bounds off of Robert Horry's leg, meaning that the Lakers should have had a new shot clock instead of asking Kobe Bryant to hurry a fadeaway jumper after the ensuing timeout.

The new shot clock likely would have forced San Antonio to foul Bryant as opposed to getting the ball back off Bryant's miss to draw up a potential game-winning play.

"It wasn't a foul. ... I think it was a proper no-call from what I saw," Spurs coach Gregg Popovich said of Fisher bumping Barry.

Added Spurs forward Tim Duncan: "You're not going to get that call. They're not going to make that call."

The Lakers were likewise adamant that no foul should have been called on Fisher, pointing at least in part to the fact that they didn't get a new shot clock on the Fisher miss -- and that Bryant didn't earn a single trip to the free-throw line despite attempting 29 shots from the field.

"Yeah, he bumped him," Lakers coach Phil Jackson said of Fisher landing on Barry. "You know, games go like that."

Marc Stein is the senior NBA writer for ESPN.com. To e-mail him, click here.

Rofl. Roflrorlfofofrorlrorlllroflfo

WTF


So can we do a replay with free throw a la' Hawks/Heat?


jk, but still.

Duh. Does a lot of good now. Thanks NBA. Keep your official with an axe to grind at home next time.

Thanks for twisting the knife, NBA :tu

After all that bullshit from Laker fans

How many times will the league publicly slap Joey's wrist before they stop assigning him to Spurs games?:depressed

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WTF


So can we do a replay with free throw a la' Hawks/Heat?


jk, but still.

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Yeah, that would be funny as hell... :lol

Thank you Joey! Thank you Stern!
You sure want us to go on vacation sooner than planned!

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Thanks for twisting the knife, NBA :tu

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+1

What a laughingstock this league has become.

[QUOTE=Spurs Brazil;2554348]http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/playof...ory?id=3416412

[B]League acknowledges Spurs' Barry was fouled
By Marc Stein[/B]ESPN.com

The league office on Wednesday reviewed the final play of the San Antonio Spurs' 93-91 home loss to the Los Angeles Lakers in Game 4 of the Western Conference finals and acknowledged that a two-shot foul should have been called on Derek Fisher for impeding Brent Barry.

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hahahahahahahaha

Your own coach said he wouldnt have called it...

aside from that, why dont you ponder this MYOPIAN...

Kobe never reached the charity stripe!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Not once..

Duncan took 27 steps on that one play......

Fish's shot did hit the rim, which would have given them the ball back and a 2 point lead...

U see dipsh!t it all evens out in the end, nut up and accept...

What a tool:king

Wow! So when does Barry get to shoot the FTs?

What? He doesn't?

it says with the benfits of instant replay?
but don't buzzer beating shots auto have instant reply in the nba now

Foul or no foul, the Spurs played like shit in Game 4 and deserved to lose...now they have to win 3 in a row to advance to the Finals...not an impossible task, but still a very difficult one.

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http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/playof...ory?id=3416412

[B]League acknowledges Spurs' Barry was fouled
By Marc Stein[/B]ESPN.com

The league office on Wednesday reviewed the final play of the San Antonio Spurs' 93-91 home loss to the Los Angeles Lakers in Game 4 of the Western Conference finals and acknowledged that a two-shot foul should have been called on Derek Fisher for impeding Brent Barry.

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hahahahahahahaha

Your own coach said he wouldnt have called it...

aside from that, why dont you ponder this MYOPIAN...

Kobe never reached the charity stripe!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Not once..

Duncan took 27 steps on that one play......

Fish's shot did hit the rim, which would have given them the ball back and a 2 point lead...

U see dipsh!t it all evens out in the end, nut up and accept...

What a tool:king

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Not the point, there a bizzilion page thread on Laker fans saying there wasn't a foul when the OFFICIAL RULING is that there was.

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Ironically, this may damage what small chance the Spurs have of winning Game 5 (by causing the Game 5 refs to "rally round" the refs who were chastized for screwing the Spurs).

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it says with the benfits of instant replay?
but don't buzzer beating shots auto have instant reply in the nba now

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The only thing they can review with the instant replay is whether or not a buzzer beater left the shooters' hand in time. They cannot review calls or non-calls by the refs.

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Not the point, there a bizzilion page thread on Laker fans saying there wasn't a foul when the OFFICIAL RULING is that there was.

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The point is from my post even if there was(and your own coach said there wasnt) that Timmy traveled on that shot, Fish's shot did hit the rim and Kobe didint jack one ball from the charity stripe......

That is the POINT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Eat it, enjoy it, know it!:lobt2:

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The point is from my post even if there was(and your own coach said there wasnt) that Timmy traveled on that shot, Fish's shot did hit the rim and Kobe didint jack one ball from the charity stripe......

That is the POINT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Eat it, enjoy it, know it!:lobt2:

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And after all that, the league only acknowledges that Barry was fouled. :downspin:

Shit happens :grim:

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Shit happens :grim:

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but but he traveled???

What Lakers fan is saying there wasn't contact? There was contact, but no foul was called. No one expected a foul to be called. No one.

The last thing any referee wants to do is decide the game on a last second foul call. No one is disputing that unwritten rule. Not even your own players. You can go through the annals of time and recollect numerous plays where the offensive player drives through the lane in the last second, gets his wrist slapped or his head knocked and no foul is called. It happens to Lebron James, Kobe Bryant and Tim Duncan.

Well, maybe not Tim Duncan. They should've thrown it in to him. They would've called a handchecking foul or something.

Well, I guess it's a step in the right direction that they at least acknowledged it.

I am tired of the bullshit surrounding 99% of the media however on ESPN/TNT, etc proclaiming it was the right call, when they know full well that if that happened to Kobe Bryant their viewpoint would have changed dramatically. But I guess you can't really control the media.

Looks like the groundwork has been laid for a new instant replay rule.

Huzzah.

The possesion before that shouldve been laker ball with 24 on the shot clock regardless. There's not many people who deny that it wasn't a foul.

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What Lakers fan is saying there wasn't contact? There was contact, but no foul was called. No one expected a foul to be called. No one.

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So if the situation were reversed and that same exact play happened to Kobe or Fisher, Laker fans wouldn't have expected a foul to be called? :lmao

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Well, I guess it's a step in the right direction that they at least acknowledged it.

I am tired of the bullshit surrounding 99% of the media however on ESPN/TNT, etc proclaiming it was the right call, when they know full well that if that happened to Kobe Bryant their viewpoint would have changed dramatically. But I guess you can't really control the media.

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For sure Kobe, at the Staples Center, would get the call.

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Looks like the groundwork has been laid for a new instant replay rule.

Huzzah.

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The first implementation of which will be to screw the Spurs. :lol :lol

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The possesion before that shouldve been laker ball with 24 on the shot clock regardless. There's not many people who deny that it wasn't a foul.

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Missed calls are part of the course of the game. It's not the referrees jobs to have "make up calls" for previous missed calls. If you go play by play throughout the entire course of the game for 48 minutes, I bet you'll find that more often than not those types of missed calls essentially balance out.

This thing has nothing to do with previous plays and everything to do with the absolute final play. Spurs did not deserve to win, Lakers definitely outplayed them for 48 minutes. But don't tell me that defenders can now pump fake and jump on a jumpshooter in the final seconds of a game and expect to not be called for a foul. I've seen plenty of worse ticky-tack fouls called in the final minutes of games (2006 vs Mavs comes to mind).

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The possesion before that shouldve been laker ball with 24 on the shot clock regardless. There's not many people who deny that it wasn't a foul.

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show me the link where the league acknowledges that

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The possesion before that shouldve been laker ball with 24 on the shot clock regardless. There's not many people who deny that it wasn't a foul.

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from the Laker fans' biased, blindsided, point of view.

whatever.

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Wow! So when does Barry get to shoot the FTs?

What? He doesn't?

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Right after L.A. takes the ball in with :05.2 and the shot clock turned off. Then you commit an intentional foul to stop the clock; the Lakers attempt two free throws, then you call time out and get the ball at mid-court.

Then you can have the two free throws.:rollin

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Originally Posted by PwrGetter

The possesion before that shouldve been laker ball with 24 on the shot clock regardless. There's not many people who deny that it wasn't a foul.

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Exactly. All the media assholes conveniently aren't discussing Fisher's shot hitting the rim because they wanna drive the point home of a conspiracy that puts the Celtics and Lakers in the Finals. And honestly, Kobe has been hacked worse than what happened to Barry and it hasn't been called. Kobe would not have gotten that call. Now, a flopper like Ginobili would have sold it better and perhaps would have gotten the whistle. Most Laker fans know Fisher fouled Barry, much like we know, we should have not been put in that position because the three blind mice failed to see a shot hit the rim. Game 4 was by far the worst officiated game of the series which the vast majority of the calls going in San Antonio's favor.

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show me the link where the league acknowledges that

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It's interesting that the league didn't look into that....I would imagine Laker folks are going to send that into the office to have them take a look at it. It clearly grazed the front of the rim, it went straight down right off of Horry's foot. Also, the Lakers should ask for the league to take a look at Manu's "3 point basket" which was clearly a 2 point shot.

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Originally Posted by Commissioner Stern

What Lakers fan is saying there wasn't contact? There was contact, but no foul was called. No one expected a foul to be called. No one.

The last thing any referee wants to do is decide the game on a last second foul call. No one is disputing that unwritten rule. Not even your own players. You can go through the annals of time and recollect numerous plays where the offensive player drives through the lane in the last second, gets his wrist slapped or his head knocked and no foul is called. It happens to Lebron James, Kobe Bryant and Tim Duncan.

Well, maybe not Tim Duncan. They should've thrown it in to him. They would've called a handchecking foul or something.

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The problem with your idea in bold is the referee still decided the game, by not calling a foul. So your logic of that the referee does not want to decide the game is impossible. IF he does blow the whistle one team benifits and if he does not the other team benifits.

I am not saying that it is right or wrong, but don't say the refs don't want to decide the game, because they still do.

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So if the situation were reversed and that same exact play happened to Kobe or Fisher, Laker fans wouldn't have expected a foul to be called? :lmao

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I'm sure a lot would. I for one, wouldn't. I also would have acknowledged Fish or Kobe traveling before the contact.

Fuck Stern (see my Sig)

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Originally Posted by Mamba24

Exactly. All the media assholes conveniently aren't discussing Fisher's shot hitting the rim because they wanna drive the point home of a conspiracy that puts the Celtics and Lakers in the Finals. And honestly, Kobe has been hacked worse than what happened to Barry and it hasn't been called. Kobe would not have gotten that call. Now, a flopper like Ginobili would have sold it better and perhaps would have gotten the whistle. Most Laker fans know Fisher fouled Barry, much like we know, we should have not been put in that position because the three blind mice failed to see a shot hit the rim. Game 4 was by far the worst officiated game of the series which the vast majority of the calls going in San Antonio's favor.

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Says the guy who didn't read the article.

If the roles were reversed and someone on the Lakers got fouled at the buzzer, Laker Fan would be crying uncontrollably. Laker Fan would be throw ever asterisk in the known universe at the Spurs win while their moms wiped away tears.

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They just verified what any reasonable person thought about the sequence.

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Originally Posted by Mamba24

It's interesting that the league didn't look into that....I would imagine Laker folks are going to send that into the office to have them take a look at it. It clearly grazed the front of the rim, it went straight down right off of Horry's foot. Also, the Lakers should ask for the league to take a look at Manu's "3 point basket" which was clearly a 2 point shot.

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Yes, it was so "clearly a 2" that it was called a three

The worst thing about that game last night is despite the Lakers playing brilliant basketball for 47 minutes all that will be remembered in the game is that last fucking call.

I can honestly say that was the best game the Lakers have played all season long and it's a shame the refs had to be so shitty on both ends of the floor. Both teams got screwed by the refs last night and if the NBA has learned anything it's that Joey Crawford should never ref another NBA game in his life. That man is a disaster and drama always seems to follow his bald head.

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If the roles were reversed and someone on the Lakers got fouled at the buzzer, Laker Fan would be crying uncontrollably. Laker Fan would be throw ever asterisk in the known universe at the Spurs win while their moms wiped away tears.

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TRAVEL!!!! He traveled i have video evidence.

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Says the guy who didn't read the article.

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Not once have I heard the media (except Inside the NBA) acknowledge that the Spurs were given a gift by the refs for even having the opportunity to win the game.

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Originally Posted by timvp

If the roles were reversed and someone on the Lakers got fouled at the buzzer, Laker Fan would be crying uncontrollably. Laker Fan would be throw ever asterisk in the known universe at the Spurs win while their moms wiped away tears.

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I thought about this today and I can't say I would disagree with you. I can't even say the Lakers have been on the receiving end of a bad call at the end of the game this entire season. Conspiracy, coincidence, I don't know. But I would probably be pissed off if the game ended like that, I can't deny it.

That being said, I felt the refs also a very big part of the reason the Spurs were even competitive in the game last night. They benefited from some serious home cookin' in that 1st quarter and whatever pts lost by that no-call would have been made up 10 fold by the Lakers if the game was officiated properly.

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The worst thing about that game last night is despite the Lakers playing brilliant basketball for 47 minutes all that will be remembered in the game is that last fucking call.

I can honestly say that was the best game the Lakers have played all season long and it's a shame the refs had to be so shitty on both ends of the floor. Both teams got screwed by the refs last night and if the NBA has learned anything it's that Joey Crawford should never ref another NBA game in his life. That man is a disaster and drama always seems to follow his bald head.

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Yea its a shame that didnt see Timmys travel, Fish's shot hit the rim or the 20 hacks that Kobe got and ZERO trips to the FT line.....your right....

As ROME SAYS>>>>>>>

The Scoreboard never lies.......:lol

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Yes, it was so "clearly a 2" that it was called a three

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Yeah, just like Fisher clearly fouled Barry, and it wasn't called. Karma, bitch.

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That being said, I felt the refs also a very big part of the reason the Spurs were even competitive in the game last night. They benefited from some serious home cookin' in that 1st quarter and whatever pts lost by that no-call would have been made up 10 fold by the Lakers if the game was officiated properly.

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QFT!

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The worst thing about that game last night is despite the Lakers playing brilliant basketball for 47 minutes all that will be remembered in the game is that last fucking call.

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:hat

I'm still amazed that such a play did not cause the ref to blow his whistle.

All the other controversial missed calls were because of human fallability, and they happen all of the time.

The last sequence, though, is a foul 99% of the time, and they didn't call it. The refs saw it. Everybody saw it. It was obvious. Yet, the call wasn't made, and so:

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Crawford should never ref another game.

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And after all that, the league only acknowledges that Barry was fouled. :downspin:

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They don't even know their own rules, no surprise.

I guess it is OK to run with the ball now before you shoot. Barry did it, Duncan did it and no call.

How come no acknowledgement from the league that Parker's layin was NOT a goaltend, that Manu's 3 was NOT a 3 and that Fisher's shot DID hit the rim?

I think we all know the answer to those questions.

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If the roles were reversed and someone on the Lakers got fouled at the buzzer, Laker Fan would be crying uncontrollably. Laker Fan would be throw ever asterisk in the known universe at the Spurs win while their moms wiped away tears.

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Oh hell yeah. We'd be bitching and moaning about it too. We bitch and moan now about every missed call that occurs throughout the game. Every call which gives Odom or Fisher his 5th foul and sends them to the bench, unable to contribute. It's your right as a fan.

It doesn't change the fact that on those last second plays, the whistles rarely go off. You can argue that by not making the call, the refs are also deciding the game. Theoretically, yes. But in application, the league would much rather have the team design a play which releases a player for an opening, as opposed to putting the onus on the referees to bail anyone out.

A few years ago, Kobe Bryant drove through the lane with approximately 6 seconds left against Sacramento. There was contact and he missed the shot. Shaq followed up his shot and appeared to have been fouled by Divac, and also missed. The ball was then slapped back to the outside where Horry drained the last second, wide open 3. The league would rather see plays like that than to have Kobe and Shaq go to the free throw line with no time left.

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I'm still amazed that such a play did not cause the ref to blow his whistle.

All the other controversial missed calls were because of human fallability, and they happen all of the time.

The last sequence, though, is a foul 99% of the time, and they didn't call it. The refs saw it. Everybody saw it. It was obvious. Yet, the call wasn't made, and so:

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You mean to tell me Duncan's blatant travel that Stevie Wonder could have seen was because of human fallability? Are you kidding me?
How quickly Spurs fans forget the exact same play happened last year in the Finals when Bowen blatantly pushed LeBron James in the back on the last play and it wasn't called.

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Not once have I heard the media (except Inside the NBA) acknowledge that the Spurs were given a gift by the refs for even having the opportunity to win the game.

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Did you read the article, like this part

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The Spurs, in truth, wouldn't have had a chance to tie or win the game in the final two seconds if not for a fortuitous non-call on the previous possession.

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That's a guy in the media acknowledging it so what are you bitching about that only the inside the NBA guys said something. Unless Mark Stein is Ernies's stunt double.

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I'm still amazed that such a play did not cause the ref to blow his whistle.

All the other controversial missed calls were because of human fallability, and they happen all of the time.

The last sequence, though, is a foul 99% of the time, and they didn't call it. the refs saw it. Everybody saw it. It was obvious. Yet, the call wasn't made, and so:

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Honestly, I think it was a borderline call.

(That said, the Lakers would get it every day of the week, especially at home. And if it were our Kobe, oh be steady my heart.) :lol :lol

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Honestly, I think it was a borderline call.

(That said, the Lakers would get it every day of the week, especially at home. And if it were our Kobe, oh be steady my heart.) :lol :lol

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Yeah, because Kobe is getting so many calls in this series. Right.

Do you even believe your own Bullshit?

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Originally Posted by Trainwreck2100

They don't even know their own rules, no surprise.

I guess it is OK to run with the ball now before you shoot. Barry did it, Duncan did it and no call.

How come no acknowledgement from the league that Parker's layin was NOT a goaltend, that Manu's 3 was NOT a 3 and that Fisher's shot DID hit the rim?

I think we all know the answer to those questions.

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Because you can only use instant replay to review the final play. And Barry didn't travel the NBA said so.

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Yeah, because Kobe is getting so many calls in this series. Right.

Do you even believe your own Bullshit?

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Cursing is a poor substitute for cleverness. :)

I'm watching the Celtics play the Pistons as we discuss this. They just had a bad non-call against the Celtics.

Should they put an asterisk if the Celtics win it all this season?

Dumbass.

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Oh hell yeah. We'd be bitching and moaning about it too. We bitch and moan now about every missed call that occurs throughout the game. Every call which gives Odom or Fisher his 5th foul and sends them to the bench, unable to contribute. It's your right as a fan.

It doesn't change the fact that on those last second plays, the whistles rarely go off. You can argue that by not making the call, the refs are also deciding the game. Theoretically, yes. But in application, the league would much rather have the team design a play which releases a player for an opening, as opposed to putting the onus on the referees to bail anyone out.

A few years ago, Kobe Bryant drove through the lane with approximately 6 seconds left against Sacramento. There was contact and he missed the shot. Shaq followed up his shot and appeared to have been fouled by Divac, and also missed. The ball was then slapped back to the outside where Horry drained the last second, wide open 3. The league would rather see plays like that than to have Kobe and Shaq go to the free throw line with no time left.

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Are you talking about the series where on game 7 LA shot something like 40 freethrows in the 4th.

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I'm watching the Celtics play the Pistons as we discuss this. They just had a bad non-call against the Celtics.

Should they put an asterisk if the Celtics win it all this season?

Dumbass.

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:lol if ya'll win, who cares if the they discredit it because of the Barry no call. I wouldn't care at all. Are you that insecure?

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Ironically, this may damage what small chance the Spurs have of winning Game 5 (by causing the Game 5 refs to "rally round" the refs who were chastized for screwing the Spurs).

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If anything I could see the refs having marching orders for game 5 to make it up to the Spurs.

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You mean to tell me Duncan's blatant travel that Stevie Wonder could have seen was because of human fallability? Are you kidding me?
How quickly Spurs fans forget the exact same play happened last year in the Finals when Bowen blatantly pushed LeBron James in the back on the last play and it wasn't called.

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Duncan did not travel. He took two giant steps. It's an awkward play that you never see and so it may have seemed like a walk. But Look at it a second time. You are misinterpreting the play.

As for the Lebron play - no similarity between that and this. You're blind if you're confusing the two. The fact that you are tells me I shouldn't even be havingthis debate with you - you're eyesight is clearly impaired.

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:lol if ya'll win, who cares if the they discredit it because of the Barry no call. I wouldn't care at all. Are you that insecure?

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It was a commentary on the rationale being applied by someone in this thread. Not about the legitimacy of any win.

But I'm sure you knew that.

Your sight is impaired. You are seeing things through Spur colored glasses. Duncan took three steps to geto the the basket. I am not misinterpreting shit. How can you honestly sit there and say that Bowen didn't foul James? Go look at the youtube clip of Bowen nearly shoving James to the floor.

This is gonna come full fucking circle when Manu drills a game winner in Game 7 in LA over Derek Fisher with .3 on the clock.

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Because you can only use instant replay to review the final play. And Barry didn't travel the NBA said so.

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I saw nothing in that article where the NBA rep said Barry didn't travel.

They also said nothing about Duncan's travel.

Nor the moon landing in 1969.

Using your logic, those events didn't happen either, because NBA said so:lol

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Are you talking about the series where on game 7 LA shot something like 40 freethrows in the 4th.

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I'm not sure if it was the year before or the year after - or even that year. It's those damn back to back to backs.

You're lucky you don't have that problem.

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Originally Posted by Commissioner Stern

I'm watching the Celtics play the Pistons as we discuss this. They just had a bad non-call against the Celtics.

Should they put an asterisk if the Celtics win it all this season?

Dumbass.

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No, because bad non-calls throughout the course of the game are going to be made. No game is perfect. If you go through one by one by one every foul that is called in a playoff game, in the end it usually balances out.

But to not call a very blatant non foul at the END OF A GAME is absolutely unheard of. Even the league went on record to say it should have been a 2 shot foul. I can't understand why people are still arguing this? You CANNOT jump on a player as he attempts a shot. Period.

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Your sight is impaired. You are seeing things through Spur colored glasses. Duncan took three steps to geto the the basket. I am not misinterpreting shit. How can you honestly sit there and say that Bowen didn't foul James? Go look at the youtube clip of Bowen nearly shoving James to the floor.

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You're blind. I'm done with you. The fact that you'e bringing the Lebron play into the equation and think that Duncan traveled is retarded.

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Originally Posted by Trainwreck2100

I saw nothing in that article where the NBA rep said Barry didn't travel.

They also said nothing about Duncan's travel.

Nor the moon landing in 1969.

Using your logic, those events didn't happen either, because NBA said so:lol

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If you read up on your history here, Laker Lanny believes that Barry traveled so there was no foul because he traveled before the foul. So if there was a foul, that means there was no traveling violation. When did the nba say anything about the moon landing?

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If anything I could see the refs having marching orders for game 5 to make it up to the Spurs.

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As soon as Pop came out yesterday and was so calm saying "it wasn't a foul", I was thinking that he had probably already had a call with Stern and Stern probably promised it would be made up in LA.

Hell, Pop was even out late to the press conference.

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Originally Posted by 1Parker1

No, because bad non-calls throughout the course of the game are going to be made. No game is perfect. If you go through one by one by one every foul that is called in a playoff game, in the end it usually balances out.

But to not call a very blatant non foul at the END OF A GAME is absolutely unheard of. Even the league went on record to say it should have been a 2 shot foul. I can't understand why people are still arguing this? You CANNOT jump on a player as he attempts a shot. Period.

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And yet no player says it should've been called. There's a disconnect between you and reality.

It's funny to hear people say that Kobe would have gotten that call because he gets sooooo many calls ... how many free throws has he shot in this series??

Flagrant two and a replay if it was Kobe shooting that shit.

You can't jump on a player.

Lebron's situation was MUCH MUCH less blatant. Stuff like that we see all of the time, yes or no? YES.

But, how often do you see a dude get jumped on and no call?

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You can't jump on a player.

Lebron's situation was MUCH MUCH less blatant. Stuff like that we see all of the time, yes or no? YES.

But, how often do you see a dude get jumped on and no call?

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How often do you see the NBA come out and refute the call?

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It's funny to hear people say that Kobe would have gotten that call because he gets sooooo many calls ... how many free throws has he shot in this series??

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You're forgetting he's guarded by one of the best defensive players the league has ever seen.

And, in game 3 he was given an and 1 off of a 3 make towards the end of the game - a tic tac foul (if there even was one) that nowhere near compares to the one we all saw yesterday.

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How often do you see the NBA come out and refute the call?

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And yet no player says it should've been called. There's a disconnect between you and reality.

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What fuckin player are you talking about? You think a Laker player is going to say, "Yea that's a call that should have been made"

And you're nuts and obviously no NOTHING about the Spurs organization if you think they will EVER come out in public and bitch about this non call.

I am completely over this. Laker fans and non-Spurs fans would be pissed off mightily if this had happened to their team and they know it.

As for those Lakerfans bemoaning the missed calls previously made; All I have to tell this is this, Big deal. Missed calls are part of the game both ways, but does this mean it's ok for defenders to foul and jump on players at the end of games and expect a noncall everytime because refs can now "makeup" previously missed calls this way?

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You're forgetting he's guarded by one of the best defensive players the league has ever seen.

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No, I'm not. I know what a great defensive player Bowen is, but just pointing out that Kobe isn't D-Wade. Players don't get called for fouls just by looking at him, he earns the foul calls.

Anyways, to get back on topic, I am surprised and content that the League actually had the balls to come out in public, on record and admit a mistake was made.

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It's funny to hear people say that Kobe would have gotten that call because he gets sooooo many calls ... how many free throws has he shot in this series??

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The Spurs are consciously backing off him -- like they did with CP3 in the last series. Let him get his, they say.

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No, I'm not. I know what a great defensive player Bowen is, but just pointing out that Kobe isn't D-Wade. Players don't get called for fouls just by looking at him, he earns the foul calls.

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And Brent Barry didn't earn the foul call at the end of the game?

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Anyways, to get back on topic, I am surprised and content that the League actually had the balls to come out in public, on record and admit a mistake was made.

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Same here.

One * deserves another.

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I am completely over this. Laker fans and non-Spurs fans would be pissed off mightily if this had happened to their team and they know it.

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If the situation were reversed, you're right and every Laker fan would be furious. However, if Barry had gotten the foul and made the free throws and won the game, every Laker fan would be in an uproar about the missed call on the previous play. Laker fans have a right to be upset about that missed call, Spurs fans have a right to be upset about their missed call. Just because the Lakers managed to come out with the W, doesn't mean that it wasn't a legitimately missed call. We just aren't complaining because the Lakers did get the win.

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And Brent Barry didn't earn the foul call at the end of the game?

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No, he did. Just saying it wouldn't have been called differently had that been Kobe instead of Barry.

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No, he did. Just saying it wouldn't have been called differently had that been Kobe instead of Barry.

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I'm almost 99% sure if that had been Kobe, that foul would have been called. Hell, if it had been Ginobili, that foul would have been called.

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If the situation were reversed, you're right and every Laker fan would be furious. However, if Barry had gotten the foul and made the free throws and won the game, every Laker fan would be in an uproar about the missed call on the previous play. Laker fans have a right to be upset about that missed call, Spurs fans have a right to be upset about their missed call. Just because the Lakers managed to come out with the W, doesn't mean that it wasn't a legitimately missed call. We just aren't complaining because the Lakers did get the win.

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A missed call (which happen on hard to see plays that you really can't blame the refs for as they're only human) is totally different from a bad call (which basically happen when a blatant play is made and the refs fell to make the appropriate call ie. last play)

Well, one bad non-call deserves another. Let's focus on Game 5 now.

Joey Crawford should never be permitted to referee another Spurs' game if the NBA had any integrity.

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It's funny to hear people say that Kobe would have gotten that call because he gets sooooo many calls ... how many free throws has he shot in this series??

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Nobody actually said that -- just that Kobe would have got that call at Staples in that situation in the WCF. (Which, in any event, I think was borderline at best). :)

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Joey Crawford should never be permitted to referee another Spurs' game if the NBA had any integrity.

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How about no more NBA games, period? He fucked the Lakers out of a number of calls last night as well.

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Well, one bad non-call deserves another. Let's focus on Game 5 now.

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Don't forget to take this along with you:

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What Lakers fan is saying there wasn't contact? There was contact, but no foul was called. No one expected a foul to be called. No one.

The last thing any referee wants to do is decide the game on a last second foul call. No one is disputing that unwritten rule. Not even your own players. You can go through the annals of time and recollect numerous plays where the offensive player drives through the lane in the last second, gets his wrist slapped or his head knocked and no foul is called. It happens to Lebron James, Kobe Bryant and Tim Duncan.

Well, maybe not Tim Duncan. They should've thrown it in to him. They would've called a handchecking foul or something.

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No one wants a game decided by a foul call. But since players know that the refs are going to lay off, it gives players the red light to foul in the closing minutes of games, doesnt it.

I can think of one no-call that probably cost a team a championship. When Chicago-Utah played the 7th game, M. Jordan (the Messiah) pushed the Utah defender (Russell) out of the way so hard with his off hand that the guy stumbled backward. Jordan made a last second jump shot for the win.

Jordan knew he'd get away with it because he knew the 'unwritten rule'--and he had something else going for him--he was a superstar. Was it fair for the refs to lay off making that call?

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Nobody actually said that -- just that Kobe would have got that call at Staples in that situation in the WCF. (Which, in any event, I think was borderline at best). :)

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Kobe?

Sure he would have gotten the call.

Ginobili?

Yep.


Would a Sasha or a Farmar have gotten that call?

I doubt it.

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Originally Posted by Mamba24

How about no more NBA games, period? He fucked the Lakers out of a number of calls last night as well.

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Want to compare records of playoff games hat Joey Crawford has refed of Lakers and Spurs?