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Fines will be imposed for clear cases of flopping
http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/news/story?id=3416579
Fines will be imposed for clear cases of flopping
By Marc Stein
ESPN.com
The NBA announced to its teams this week at its annual pre-draft camp that fines will be imposed on players starting next season for clear cases of "flopping," ESPN.com has learned.
The league office has yet to determine exact fine amounts for offending flops and how fines might escalate for repeat offenders, but in-game arena observers and video reviewers will be instructed to report instances of theatrical flopping for potential punishment as part of postgame reports on officiating and other matters.
The league's pledge to crack down on flopping was conveyed to team representatives at Tuesday's competition committee meeting in Orlando.
NBA executive vice president of basketball operations Stu Jackson confirmed the new policy Wednesday night saying: "What was clearly expressed to the committee is that we would begin imposing fines next season for the most egregious type of flops. When players are taking a dive, for lack of a better term."
Because a precise penalty system has not yet been structured, it is not yet known whether serial floppers will be subject to possible suspensions after a certain number of fines for flopping, as seen with the league's protocol on technical fouls. Players who accrue 16 technicals during the regular season are hit with a one-game suspension when they get to No. 16 -- the limit is seven technicals during the playoffs -- and receive one-game suspensions for every other technical thereafter (No. 18, 20, etc.).
Detroit's Rasheed Wallace, a player who has 15 technicals this season and has been suspended in the past for being over the limit for technicals, gave his opinion of floppers after the Pistons' 106-102 loss to the Boston Celtics in Game 5 of the Eastern Conference finals on Wednesday.
"All that bull(bleep)-ass calls they had out there. With Mike [Callahan] and Kenny [Mauer] -- you've all seen that (bleep). You saw them calls. The cats are flopping all over the floor and they're calling that (bleep). That (bleep) ain't basketball out there. It's all (bleeping) entertainment. You all should know that (bleep). It's all (bleeping) entertainment."
In other Orlando business:
• The competition committee considered changes to both the current playoff seeding format as well as the format for the draft lottery but ruled against recommending alterations to either.
Both subjects will be discussed again at the next Board of Governors meeting in October, but changes typically aren't made by team owners at those meetings without a prior recommendation from the competition committee.
After another season of great imbalance between teams in the West and East, league officials agreed in April to consider changes that could be implemented in time for next season's playoffs. But NBA commissioner David Stern said from the start that "it's unlikely anything will happen."
The current system sends the top eight teams in each conference to the postseason. That excluded No. 9 Golden State in the West in spite of the Warriors' 48-win season and forced two 55-win perennial powers -- San Antonio and Phoenix -- to meet in the first round.
The West's dominance -- and the fact that only three teams in the East (Boston, Detroit and Orlando) had a higher win total than Golden State -- led to a new round of calls for re-seeding after each round of the playoffs as seen in other major professional team sports, or even sending the teams with the best 16 records to the playoffs irrespective of conference.
But Stern has long maintained that re-seeding is "very difficult when you have the television obligations that we have" because the league's TV partners (ESPN and TNT) would then be required "to wait for every series that can affect the re-seeding to be over." The commissioner has also said that he's comfortable with the idea of a lower seed inheriting the playoff path of a higher seed if it can win a seven-game series.
There is also naturally considerable opposition from teams in the East to sending the clubs with the 16 best records to the playoffs. The current format enabled several sub-.500 teams this season -- such as Indiana, New Jersey and Chicago -- to stay in playoff contention well into April, giving them something to sell to their fan bases in spite of sub-par records and constant reminders from the media about the West's superior depth.
Making overall record its primary playoff consideration would also likely force the league to change the format of its entire regular-season schedule. West teams would have a valid complaint if the 16-team playoff field was determined strictly by record and East teams retained the advantage of playing 52 games against other East teams and only 30 against West teams.
There was likewise no consensus reached by committee members on tweaking the draft lottery. Grumblings about the current system have grown louder with Chicago (ninth-worst record in the league) and Portland (sixth-worst record in 2006-07) winning the past two lotteries, but Stern is said to be strongly against any lottery changes.
• As Stern promised earlier this month, changes were considered by the committee to the league's rules regarding intentional fouling away from the ball, which is more commonly known as the Hack-A-Shaq strategy.
Yet it appears that Hack-A-Shaq will be back next season, too.
Stern himself has said he doesn't like "the idea that [players can say], 'Hey, look at me, I'm going to hit this guy as soon as the ball goes into play, even though he's standing under the other basket.' "
San Antonio made extensive use of the Hack-A-Shaq tactic in its first-round series with Phoenix after Spurs coach Gregg Popovich had shunned the strategy for years. The Suns later conceded that the strategy not only took advantage of Shaquille O'Neal's poor foul shooting -- he missed half of his 64 free-throw attempts in the series -- but also frequently interrupted their offensive flow.
Such intentional fouling is legal until the final two minutes of regulation or any overtime, when intentional fouls result in one free throw and the team whose player was fouled retaining possession.
"We had a pretty spirited discussion on the subject and we talked prospectively about how we might change it," Jackson said, declining to elaborate on the potential alterations.
"But in the end, there wasn't enough support to change it. ... There was a feeling that by changing the rule you would be essentially rewarding a player for a lack of skill by allowing him to stay in the game."
• The committee had extensive discussions about expanding the use of instant replay for next season and voted to recommend a proposal which calls for the use of replay to assist referees in determining whether a basket or a shot on which a player is fouled is taken from behind the 3-point line.
The committee, as expected, is also backing the league's wish to use instant replay to resolve discrepancies on clock malfunctions, after a major clock issue during the Detroit-Orlando series in the second round.
The league was forced to admit earlier this month that a 3-pointer made by the Pistons' Chauncey Billups at the end of the third quarter of Game 2 against Orlando should not have counted. There were 5.1 seconds remaining in the quarter when the ball was inbounded, but the clock froze at 4.8 seconds as Billups dribbled into the frontcourt. The whole play actually consumed 5.7 seconds, meaning that the buzzer should have sounded before Billups' shot went up, but the play was not reviewable under current rules. Referees are presently allowed to use instant replay only to rule whether a shot goes in before the end-of-quarter clock expires.
"We still need to refine the procedures involved, but it's expected that Board of Governors will vote on those proposals [in October]," Jackson said.
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Hmm , i dont see the suns making the playoffs anymore , matter fact i dont see them winning a single game anymore
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How the NBA became the WWE-- Chapter 2...
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Dang, Barry should of SOLD HIS FOUL while it was still allowed
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Even more bad news? :pctoss
The Spurs are going to have some broke ass players next year.
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jmill
LOL
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Hmmm, that's the rule in soccer (if you fake a foul, that's itself a foul).
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This will hurt all teams the same.
The NBA needs less judment calls and they are adding more.
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lakaluva
Manu might as well go back to where ever the fuck he came from
France
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Originally Posted by
Russ
Hmmm, that's the rule in soccer (if you fake a foul, that's itself a foul).
and there still is a lot of flopping in soccer:lol
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Originally Posted by
lakaluva
Manu might as well go back to where ever the fuck he came from
Manu hasnt flopped in a while u punk ass bitch.
And if he does, he's so good at it that cameras wont get it done you fucking bitch. Laker fag.
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They need to get rid of hack-a-shaq too. It downright bores me to tears.
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Originally Posted by
lakaluva
Manu might as well go back to where ever the fuck he came from
Could you take the same hint. :)
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Originally Posted by
~~~~~~
Offensive foul noob.
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Originally Posted by
Typhoon
Offensive foul noob.
WOW YOU MUST BE BLIND.
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Originally Posted by
nomine
WOW YOU MUST BE BLIND.
No u
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Originally Posted by
~~~~~~
that's a clear offensive foul. walton just bulls into manu and knocks him over.
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so the lakers doesnt have anyone who flops? self righteous sons of bitches, every NBA team flops.
cue: not as much as Spurs players do response
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Originally Posted by
Typhoon
Offensive foul noob.
Because when the player on offense propels his entire body towards the basket, the defensive player positioned from behind gets projected farther behind. Gotcha. Must be the new Laws of Newtonian Mechanics :rolleyes
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Originally Posted by
Typhoon
Offensive foul noob.
What is so funny is I think you really believe that!
The *purs have flopped for so long their own fans can't even recognize it.
Please tell me you are kidding, please.
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Originally Posted by
peskypesky
that's a clear offensive foul. walton just bulls into manu and knocks him over.
Congratulations!
You have just won the Most Moronic Poster at SpursTalk award.
:toast
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The Lakers have a bunch of Europeans on their team, let's not act like they don't flop. Vujacic, Gasol, Fisher, and even Bryant sometimes flop.
Every team does, no team is a team of "floppers" or else every team is.
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Originally Posted by
~~~~~~
that's an offensive foul on the first contact when Walton bulldozed his way into Manu's oh so gentle body. Manu just fell down when their legs got tangled.
:lol @ lakerfan trying to say that manu flopped when he fell - look at their feet mr ambassador for clear eyesight
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Originally Posted by
peskypesky
that's a clear offensive foul. walton just bulls into manu and knocks him over.
Clearly it was. Because the ensuing free throw that Walton made, clearly completed a 3 point play.
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Originally Posted by
pawe
that's an offensive foul on the first contact when Walton bulldozed his way into Manu's oh so gentle body. Manu just fell down when their legs got tangled.
:lol @ lakerfan trying to say that manu flopped when he fell - look at their feet mr ambassador for clear eyesight
good eye
didn't see their feet get tangled together
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"All that bull(bleep)-ass calls they had out there. With Mike [Callahan] and Kenny [Mauer] -- you've all seen that (bleep). You saw them calls. The cats are flopping all over the floor and they're calling that (bleep). That (bleep) ain't basketball out there. It's all (bleeping) entertainment. You all should know that (bleep). It's all (bleeping) entertainment."
:lmao :rollin
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Lame. If the refs are worth the money they're being paid, flopping wouldn't be a problem because they'd know when to call a foul and when not to.
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Originally Posted by
carina_gino20
Lame. If the refs are worth the money they're being paid, flopping wouldn't be a problem because they'd know when to call a foul and when not to.
That would not be good for your team.
Come on man, Horry/Duncan/Ginobili/Oberto/Barry....they all flop relentlessly.
Parker of course takes it to a new level by flopping on every offensive drive also.
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Originally Posted by
LakerLanny
That would not be good for your team.
Come on man, Horry/Duncan/Ginobili/Oberto/Barry....they all flop relentlessly.
Parker of course takes it to a new level by flopping on every offensive drive also.
Tell me you're kidding when you said this. He falls on the floor so much when he drives to the basket because of the way he extends or hangs for a layup. Not all plays that result to players being on the ground is called flopping junior.
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Originally Posted by
pawe
that's an offensive foul on the first contact when Walton bulldozed his way into Manu's oh so gentle body. Manu just fell down when their legs got tangled.
:lol @ lakerfan trying to say that manu flopped when he fell - look at their feet mr ambassador for clear eyesight
Spur fan must not read very well or is the mind reading Karnac the Magnificent. Only words on the original post are game and May, with no other words giving an explanation of the play on the .gif.
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~~~~~~
Spur fan must not read very well or is the mind reading Karnac the Magnificent. Only words on the original post are game and May, with no other words giving an explanation of the play on the .gif.
:lol @ lakerfan trying to cock his way out of a self ownage clip he posted
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And that counts for which category? The normal one or the one which includes Chris Paul?
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Originally Posted by
~~~~~~
No doubt about that flop.
Manu gets bumped the first time, stays up.
Gets touched second time, polishes the floor.
Paycheck deduction.
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Manu and Oberto will be losing alot of money next year. I just hope Oberto will be losing that money with another team.
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Originally Posted by
pawe
:lol @ lakerfan trying to cock his way out of a self ownage clip he posted
Spurs fan must be frustrated this is about to happen to 2007-08 Spurs team.
http://img153.imageshack.us/img153/9...s200801ym7.jpg
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Lakers Dynasty
No doubt about that flop.
Manu gets bumped the first time, stays up.
Gets touched second time, polishes the floor.
Paycheck deduction.
again, look the their feet getting tangled up thus resulting on the manu fall. These lakerfans are blind homer idiots.
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pawe
again, look the their feet getting tangled up thus resulting on the manu fall. These lakerfans are blind homer idiots.
Nah. Manu's foot is on TOP of Walton's.
Nice try.
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Lakers Dynasty
Nah. Manu's foot is on TOP of Walton's.
Nice try.
yup, try doing that and staying up spiderman
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pawe
yup, try doing that and staying up spiderman
Walton = Spiderman
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Originally Posted by
gospursgojas
This will hurt all teams the same.
The NBA needs less judment calls and they are adding more.
Bingo
talk about ways to affect the game without it showing in the box score
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Originally Posted by
bigdog
Manu and Oberto will be losing alot of money next year. I just hope Oberto will be losing that money with another team.
But Chrissiey Paul is ganna have to talk to Spreewell about how to deal with being poverty stricken
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ok if this is true than spurs are over as a team... They will need to give all their money away they have
flopping team number 1 of the nba history
plus the dirtiest as well
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Originally Posted by
pawe
that's an offensive foul on the first contact when Walton bulldozed his way into Manu's oh so gentle body. Manu just fell down when their legs got tangled.
:lol @ lakerfan trying to say that manu flopped when he fell - look at their feet mr ambassador for clear eyesight
No, as much as I hate the Lakers, that's not an offensive foul at all. At the first bump of bodies, both players were still moving towards the impact spot. Yet, both hit the brake right there. At the second bump, Manu flopped after realizing he was beat. Technically, a no-call would be the correct one. But if the clash were as strong as the flop was suggesting, it could be ruled a blocking foul.
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Originally Posted by
pawe
again, look the their feet getting tangled up thus resulting on the manu fall. These lakerfans are blind homer idiots.
Yet, there is no denying that Manu spiced in some special acting effect to make it look like a charge, instead of following on the more natural motion sequence for feet tangles. So, that's by definition FLOP. :lol
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~~~~~~
Clearly it was. Because the ensuing free throw that Walton made, clearly completed a 3 point play.
Did the call it blocking foul on Manu? That's the just call, forced by the flop. :lmao
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Manu and Bruce Bowen better save their pennies - flopping asses.
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Peja
ok if this is true than spurs are over as a team... They will need to give all their money away they have
flopping team number 1 of the nba history
plus the dirtiest as well
:troll
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Great. More bad news for the Spurs. :bang:depressed
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Fuck me, when's it all gonna stop.....
Joey Crawford game 4
No Foul on Barry
Splitter stays with Tau...
AND NOW
They fine players for flopping!
What next? Duncan demands a trade?
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Here goes our Defense
Fuck
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How quickly Laker fans forgot about the Fisher flop that potential costs the Warriors their playoff berth.
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Originally Posted by
LakerLanny
Congratulations!
You have just won the Most Moronic Poster at SpursTalk award.
:toast
and who are you to be awarding poster on a Spurs board suck up?
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Good. Now we'll be able to quantify whether the Spurs actually flop more than any other team, and fans will also finally learn the difference between flopping and drawing a charge.
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lakaluva
Manu might as well go back to where ever the fuck he came from
Fish might as well just retire.
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jmill
:rollin
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Banzai
:rollin
that's just awesome
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Nice move NBA. Now when you fine a guy for flopping its gonna create a domino effect that will result in more thinking your game is rigged.
Fuck this league.
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We're talking fines not suspensions. How is a fine evidence of a conspiracy? Unless the conspiracy theory involves the league being hard-up for money.
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You fine a guy for flopping, hes less agressive on defense. If you fine teams for flopping after playing said teams?
It goes so many different ways. Alot of things people have told me about the league being crooked are slowly becoming right.
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reviewing plays that people call flopping fans etc... they gonna end up suspending refs for non called fouls as well...
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Fines would only be imposed on blatant cases of flopping. You're not going to see fines imposed when a player does a little extra to "sell" a charge. It's going to be on crap like Chris Paul walking up to Bowen between plays and pretending to get hip checked. That's not a bad thing.
And it shouldn't cause anyone to be less agressive on defense either. If anything, it should cause them to focus on actually guarding their man instead of trying to fool the officials. Also not a bad thing.
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I'm not sure how the league is going to be able to enforce this and make consistent calls on this.
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Fucking terrible. Putting more arbitrary power in the hands of the league, whether they abuse it or not, will only fuel more talk of conspiracies. If you have a problem with guys getting away with something on the court take it up with the refs.
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spurs_fan_in_exile
Fucking terrible. Putting more arbitrary power in the hands of the league, whether they abuse it or not, will only fuel more talk of conspiracies. If you have a problem with guys getting away with something on the court take it up with the refs.
Yes, but you can't have it both ways. Unless you have robots as the officials, these kind of plays are always going to be judgment calls.
This isn't going to change the outcome of any game. If a player flops so much that he's worried about it affecting his pocketbook, perhaps he should learn how to play some actual defense.
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Here's what I don't understand, why is it even needed?
If the refs can see "clear cases for flopping" they aren't going to blow their whistle. Isn't not getting the call enough? Why would a fine help? It's the players risk to take to flop or not to flop, they may get the call, they may not.
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Guys like Raja Bell, the Utah Jazz, and many others are getting a nice kick in the crotch after this as well.
Arbitrary power in sports sucks.
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Sometimes they don't see clear cases of flopping. And even if they do, and they don't make the call, it's still something that should be discouraged.
I think you guys are overestimating the effects of this rule though. My guess is you'll see less than ten fines handed down next season for flopping, and even less than that in future seasons. This is really about the NBA addressing something that has been bugging fans, but I don't think there's going to be much of a difference.
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Chris Paul is going to be a broke ass mofo.
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Aggie Hoopsfan
Chris Paul is going to be a broke ass mofo.
:lmao :lmao :lmao
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this is more evidence of the nba's anti-spurs conspiracy. first they let the little hornets take us to seven, then make our plane get stuck, then make us gag up a 20 point lead in game one, make us forget to show up in game two, then forget to rebound in game four. now they make a rule against flopping. it is so obvious.
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Cry Havoc
Yes, but you can't have it both ways. Unless you have robots as the officials, these kind of plays are always going to be judgment calls.
This isn't going to change the outcome of any game. If a player flops so much that he's worried about it affecting his pocketbook, perhaps he should learn how to play some actual defense.
You're right, it is a judgement call. That's a part of every game. My concern is that they are bringing in yet another layer of judgement calls into the mix. One that, if applied more harshly to some players than others (as is inevitable), will make the league look more and more rigged. In the age of DVR and youtube I think they are opening themselves up to a big problem. For every fine they hand down, some homer with too much time on his hands will probably be able to find ten instances in game film that are overlooked.
If they want to cut down on flopping they need to take a long look at what offensive players are doing these days as well. IMO flopping has become more prevalent because defenders are left with little legal means of combatting the off arm clear outs and moving screens that happen practically every possession.
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Originally Posted by
urunobili
and who are you to be awarding poster on a Spurs board suck up?
I am a legendary Laker poster and probably the most knowledgeable guy on basketball here.
How can you not already know who LakerLanny is?
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The real question is are teams going to try and use this as a strategic weapon? Are they going to start sending tapes into the league office showing flops to be reviewed, or is it just the league itself doing the reviewing. There are going to be a LOT of fines if teams start sending in tapes; because everybody flops especially superstars. Also, who's definition of flop are they going to use? Does Kobe's (for example, he's not the only one) scream upon minimal contact (the "verbal" flop) count? Or do you actually have to fall down/start acting?
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Think of the five worst flops you've seen in the last three years and those are the ones that will be fined.
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Originally Posted by
spurs_fan_in_exile
If they want to cut down on flopping they need to take a long look at what offensive players are doing these days as well. IMO flopping has become more prevalent because defenders are left with little legal means of combatting the off arm clear outs and moving screens that happen practically every possession.
Agreed. Offensive players are given WAY too much leniency with what constitutes controlled contact. Basketball should not dissolve into "If you can run over the guy because he's out of position, do so because you'll get the call".
Perhaps if the flopping is a little less though, it will remove the ability of an official to say, "I didn't call an offensive foul because it looked like a flop." Or at least think it in their minds.
Something has to be done though. Since Shaq's arrival into the league, scorers are given the leeway to do whatever they want, and as long as they don't extend a forearm or their defender isn't set, they get the call every time. I doubt that it's Shaq's fault as much as the league wanting to up the scoring in the NBA, but offenses don't flow as smoothly when they're looking to create contact instead of move the ball and score.
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Originally Posted by
LakerLanny
I am a legendary Laker poster and probably the most knowledgeable guy on basketball here.
How can you not already know who LakerLanny is?
If by "legendary" you mean "no-life-having one-trick-pony hardheaded" and by "knowledgeable" you mean "borderline paranoid schizophrenic", then I agree.
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spurs_fan_in_exile
IMO flopping has become more prevalent because defenders are left with little legal means of combatting the off arm clear outs and moving screens that happen practically every possession.
Not only that, but there is an offensive equivalent of flopping, which no one seems to care about. It is the one practiced by Kobe Bryant ad nauseum. It consists of leaning in, flinging yourself at the defendant and sort of the basket, flinging the ball upwards as if you'd been shot in midair, then cursing at the ref if he doesn't blow the whistle.
Why isn't THAT being fined? That's not basketball. It's just begging for free throws.
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Originally Posted by
YoMamaIsCallin
Not only that, but there is an offensive equivalent of flopping, which no one seems to care about. It is the one practiced by Kobe Bryant ad nauseum. It consists of leaning in, flinging yourself at the defendant and sort of the basket, flinging the ball upwards as if you'd been shot in midair, then cursing at the ref if he doesn't blow the whistle.
Why isn't THAT being fined? That's not basketball. It's just begging for free throws.
That actually is a good point.
But it is what Barry could have done if he'd wanted to get the call.
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Re: Fines will be imposed for clear cases of flopping
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Originally Posted by
Zero Point Four
That actually is a good point.
But it is what Barry could have done if he'd wanted to get the call.
Thanks!
Yes that is in the same ballpark as what Barry could have done, but a bit different. It's the offensive ploy where you ball-fake the defender and get him up in the air, then go up and make contact while shooting. IMO this is usually a legit offensive play, because the defender is generally not jumping straight up, so the principle of verticality does not apply.
If the defender does jump straight up, and the offensive player jumps into him, it should be an offensive foul. But, usually, they no-call it.
That is not what Fisher did -- he was flying sideways through the air and was wide open for a shooting foul to be called on him, if Barry had just attempted a shot.
