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this is more evidence of the nba's anti-spurs conspiracy. first they let the little hornets take us to seven, then make our plane get stuck, then make us gag up a 20 point lead in game one, make us forget to show up in game two, then forget to rebound in game four. now they make a rule against flopping. it is so obvious.
You're right, it is a judgement call. That's a part of every game. My concern is that they are bringing in yet another layer of judgement calls into the mix. One that, if applied more harshly to some players than others (as is inevitable), will make the league look more and more rigged. In the age of DVR and youtube I think they are opening themselves up to a big problem. For every fine they hand down, some homer with too much time on his hands will probably be able to find ten instances in game film that are overlooked.Quote:
Originally Posted by Cry Havoc
If they want to cut down on flopping they need to take a long look at what offensive players are doing these days as well. IMO flopping has become more prevalent because defenders are left with little legal means of combatting the off arm clear outs and moving screens that happen practically every possession.
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Originally Posted by urunobili
I am a legendary Laker poster and probably the most knowledgeable guy on basketball here.
How can you not already know who LakerLanny is?
The real question is are teams going to try and use this as a strategic weapon? Are they going to start sending tapes into the league office showing flops to be reviewed, or is it just the league itself doing the reviewing. There are going to be a LOT of fines if teams start sending in tapes; because everybody flops especially superstars. Also, who's definition of flop are they going to use? Does Kobe's (for example, he's not the only one) scream upon minimal contact (the "verbal" flop) count? Or do you actually have to fall down/start acting?
Think of the five worst flops you've seen in the last three years and those are the ones that will be fined.
Agreed. Offensive players are given WAY too much leniency with what constitutes controlled contact. Basketball should not dissolve into "If you can run over the guy because he's out of position, do so because you'll get the call".Quote:
Originally Posted by spurs_fan_in_exile
Perhaps if the flopping is a little less though, it will remove the ability of an official to say, "I didn't call an offensive foul because it looked like a flop." Or at least think it in their minds.
Something has to be done though. Since Shaq's arrival into the league, scorers are given the leeway to do whatever they want, and as long as they don't extend a forearm or their defender isn't set, they get the call every time. I doubt that it's Shaq's fault as much as the league wanting to up the scoring in the NBA, but offenses don't flow as smoothly when they're looking to create contact instead of move the ball and score.
If by "legendary" you mean "no-life-having one-trick-pony hardheaded" and by "knowledgeable" you mean "borderline paranoid schizophrenic", then I agree.Quote:
Originally Posted by LakerLanny
Not only that, but there is an offensive equivalent of flopping, which no one seems to care about. It is the one practiced by Kobe Bryant ad nauseum. It consists of leaning in, flinging yourself at the defendant and sort of the basket, flinging the ball upwards as if you'd been shot in midair, then cursing at the ref if he doesn't blow the whistle.Quote:
Originally Posted by spurs_fan_in_exile
Why isn't THAT being fined? That's not basketball. It's just begging for free throws.
That actually is a good point.Quote:
Originally Posted by YoMamaIsCallin
But it is what Barry could have done if he'd wanted to get the call.
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Originally Posted by Zero Point Four
Yes that is in the same ballpark as what Barry could have done, but a bit different. It's the offensive ploy where you ball-fake the defender and get him up in the air, then go up and make contact while shooting. IMO this is usually a legit offensive play, because the defender is generally not jumping straight up, so the principle of verticality does not apply.
If the defender does jump straight up, and the offensive player jumps into him, it should be an offensive foul. But, usually, they no-call it.
That is not what Fisher did -- he was flying sideways through the air and was wide open for a shooting foul to be called on him, if Barry had just attempted a shot.