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To me, it's like Pop always has an answer for whatever other coaches throw at him. But against Phil he just has no answers. I was listening to the postgame interview, and he was saying that coming into the series he wanted to keep the Lakers under 95 points, keep Kobe off the free throw line, etc. All things we did, yet we still came up short. Does anybody else notices the coaching edge there?
coaches dont shoot baskets
I don't know outside of game 1 what else you wanted the guy to do.
His team ran out of gas. WTF do you want? He can only do so freakin much.
Yeah, I know. It seems like Pop really had no answer for Phil's decision to have Kobe Bryant on his team.Quote:
Originally Posted by ElNono
I don't know about that.
If Phil was coaching SA and Pop was coaching LA, I think the result would have been the same honestly.
He had less to work with. Did all he could.
No.
One team was old, the other team was not.
Asking this team to play 48 hard minutes every other night, with all of the miles they've got, with the tough series they finished against the Hornets five minutes before playing this one - it's too much.
I don't know what more Pop could have done to improve our chances, other than flying Michael Finley down into the heart of a rainforest and leaving him there.
Exactly i mean a couple of issues i had with him but he can;t make Manu healthy or get us to make anyone one of the 8 million open shots to go downQuote:
Originally Posted by T Park
I guess I got the wrong impression then. Thanks for the comments.
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Originally Posted by greyforest
No, I think Pop did a good job with what he had. It's not like he had a lot of options with the motley bunch he was trotting out there every night!
If Pop had L.A.'s, roster, they'd win 70 games and cruise to the title!
Eating lunches is so '80s - a three-martini lunch, a lunch-club aristocrat, box lunch at the Y.
Phil drank Pop's milkshake. He drank it up and sucked it down.
Pop did a great job this year and in the playoffs. Like the others have said, he couldn't shoot for the team and he couldn't pull a Mr. Miagi (Karate Kid) on Manu's injuries.
If Manu's healthy I think we win this. I said all year we would only go as far as Manu could take us.
The Lakers are the only real rival the Spurs have. They've eliminated the Spurs 4-1 this decade. Spurs still hold their ankles to the Lake Show.
All those other teams like the Mavs, Suns and rival du jour, the Hornets are just wannabees.
Phil owns Pop.
Kobe was far and away the best player in the series, Manu was about as good as Daequan Cook. That's hard to overcome.
I dont agree.
Were 3 pts shots the key of this series?
When we had a good % (w/ Manu getting 5/7 in the 3r game for example) with got the game.
What you think?
Yeah a healthy Ginobili makes things alot different.
Its just another season of what ifs.
Not Pop's fault ...Phil didnt win the last 2 years and the Spurs won a title one of those same years ...
To be honest I think this was HIS GREATEST coaching job ...the Hack a Shaq ...Playing [email protected], Playing KT tonight, putting Tim on David West, Telling horry to hurt West's back... jk...but I thought he played all his cards he just had no aces left ...
3 pts = energyQuote:
Originally Posted by OldSilentHill
they hit them well in the first half when the had it, second half when they were tired, they couldn't make one.
Coincidence? I think not.
Forget about comparing him to PJ. Pop's a great coach and will go down as one of the best of all time. He's got the rings and the scoreboard to prove it. That's the bottom line in my book.:toastQuote:
Originally Posted by ElNono
Well, I do question Pop's decision to hurt Ginobili. I think that came back to haunt him as the series progressed.Quote:
Originally Posted by gameFACE
Yeah, game 1 you could easily say he fucked up.,Quote:
Originally Posted by Killakobe81
Other than that, he pulled every stunt, every play, everything.
If Bynum gets healthy next year, the Lakers will win 70 anyway and cruise to the title.Quote:
Originally Posted by Don Quixote
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Originally Posted by gameFACE
I don;t know about that one. They look for real.
Phil still >> Pop
Fact.
With the roster he had, he did a great job. With Ginobili playing injured (probably 50-60% efficiency) the Spurs did not have a very good chance.
A healthy Ginobili (the one that won the 6th man award) would have enabled SA to take this series the distance. Didn't happen.
Laker fans better remember that basketball chemistry is fragile and elusive.
Offense carnal, ain't got nothin to do with coaching if yo boys hesitate and don't go killa, pass the ball off to Timmy and you can't see him to see if yo pass was made, cause of all the purple and gold sticking to him like hounds to tha fox.........Quote:
Originally Posted by ElNono
Coach of #4 seed did fine. Coach of #1 seed did fine, also. Next.
It was Jerry West who has outdone POP - he's the person most responsible for putting the LaKer team together that just two years ago seemed to be collapsing around Kobe...meanwhile POP has let valuable players like Scola and Jackson walk away without getting anything in return really....don't get me wrong when it comes to scouting foreign talent POP is world class, but he also doesn't pull the trade finger when he should sometimes....and that's a shame.....
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Originally Posted by Solid D
Sloan and Phil did fine?
Oops, I meant 3 seed. :)
game 1and 5 may be a good supporting cases for you assertion. I mean to blow 20pts in 3rd and 4th quarters, and tonight, blowing 17 pts lead may have something with coaching adjustment.Quote:
Originally Posted by ElNono
Jerry West is retired, I thought. Kupchak is the GM. West may have had something to do with the Gasol "Donation", though.Quote:
Originally Posted by Nbadan
God, are spurs fans still giving excuses? Kobe, Gasol, and Fisher are all injured, two of them need SURGERY. And we're without Andrew Bynum. Theres no excuses.
Why are you here, clip? Gino's had a SERIOUS injury to his foot/ankle. As a basketball player, you must have your legs to be effective. MG could barely run out there tonight. If Bryant's ankle was in that shape and Manu was healthy, the Lakers would be the ones packing their lockers. That's a fact.Quote:
Originally Posted by Bandwagon Fan
A finger injury is not nearly as critical like the one Kobe had. He could move and do his thing.
yes. the worse strategies that Pop used were to tell manu to play like shit and to tell Tim to shoot at 42 % and to tell any big man to let Tim alone doing everything on the frontcourt. bad choices Pop.
oh and Phil had a very good strategy saying KB to take the ball and score. very smart.
i dont like to play the "what if" game, if ur not healthy or dont have the players...and end up playing on the court, you play with what you got......no need for excuses...
hey hows the diarrhea ginoboli...
Phil Jackson has Kobe Bryant
Pop has an injured Manu, inconsistent as usual Tony, and a Tim Duncan who ran into a shooting slump at the worst possible time.
When you have a guy like Kobe on your team it's not too damn difficult.
The Lakers were the better team this year, not by as much as the 4-1 series indicates, but they were better.
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Originally Posted by TDfan2007
:lol
Inconsistent as usual.
Fuck you.
If Phil Jackson had to coach a team that didn't have a Kobe or a Michael, he doesn't win 40 games.
And if Pop coaches the same team in the same scenario, he probably would win less than Phil.Quote:
Originally Posted by Flex9050
you guys are missing the point. its about overall including previous series how phil>pop
I'm sorry, correct me if I'm wrong , but the Spurs had the best winning percentage of any professional sports team the last decade. Lakes included.
He could move and do his thing because he's Kobe Bryant and not some wimp. Fisher also has an injury in his foot and needs surgery, you don't see him crying about it. Yeah, if manu was healthy/if bryant was healthy/if bynum was healthy/if fisher was healthy. Lots of what ifs huh?Quote:
Originally Posted by Harry Callahan
And the Clippers didnt make the playoffs this year.
The Lakers have the best winning percentage in the history of the NBA. Period.Quote:
Originally Posted by Flex9050
And Phil coached 'em all, is that it?
Also, a decade is 10 years. Not all time.
If you want to take PJ's record vs Pop's he still wins. If you want to exclude it to specific dates or teams, thats stupid.
stupid!! coaches arent witchdoctors!! Pop is AMAZING but he cant heal the injured! if he could,we'd have won plenty of back to backs by now!Quote:
Originally Posted by ElNono
Hey, what do you think of all of the "excuses" these Spurs fans are trying to make? They shouldn't be doing that, right? I mean, the Lakers had their own injuries that they overcame, don't you agree? I'd really like to know your take on this issue.:wakeupQuote:
Originally Posted by Bandwagon Fan
pop is aces in my book.
I don't know, Pop shares some of the blame.
I mean, we lost Game 1 and Game 4 by a few points... a different sub here or there makes a difference.
That said, the Spurs did a good job against a better TEAM... and that includes Phil Jackson.
Why should you even care clip. You are irrelevant. Fisher is slower than molasses and a jump shooter who barely gets off the ground.Quote:
Originally Posted by Bandwagon Fan
If you think Manu is a wimp, then you are proving your ignorance. Go watch Chris Kaman take a dump instead of wasting our time here.
You're not going to win a series when your top scorer and clutch performer averages 9 ppg in 4 losses. You're not going to win a series when your team can't buy a basket for 7-8 minute streches in a game. You're not going to win a series when you can't stop the opposing team's best player in the 4th quarter from making (sometimes impossible) shots. And you're certainly not going to win against a team that is deep 1-9 when you only have 2-3 players show up offensively for you.
That's nothing on Pop. Spurs did all they could, but they were outmatched and clearly ran out of gas at a bad time. You need lucky breaks and bounces to go your way in a championship run and Spurs didn't have that in this series.
Pop is the best coach in the NBA.
But I do question some of his substitution/rotation moves in this series, and in the NO series.
Kurt Thomas didn't play at all in Game 4 when we got killed on the glass, and barely at all before that, but last night he played a lot.......and played pretty well.
Udoka and Horry didn't even play last night after playing the whole series.
Barry played a lot the last two games, and obviously played well, but where's he been? I know he was hurt during the regular season, but seems like he was fine during the whole playoffs.
I can see rotations changing on a nightly basis during the regular season, but when you are in a playoff series against the same team every game, how can the rotation change that drastically? I like the idea of having more players that can adapt to different schemes, instead of having these "parts" to swap in and out as the game plan changes, because then you start to limit yourself. I guess we have too many "specialists".
pop's a great coach and its easy to do the armchair coach thing, especially after the series is over.
but i do feel that LA was able to shut down the paint, and a lot of that was X's and O's, because they didnt have great shotblockers nor great defenders in general. When that happened in 04, it was "acceptable" because you had shaq and malone doing whatever they wanted inside. now, gasol and odom? yes, manu, tony and (to a lesser extent) timmy never got it going inside, but i feel that pop didnt put them in a position to succeed, and i feel that phil recognized the spurs were relying on 3pt shooting more than ever and cornered them into that.
we lost games 1, 4 and 5 by so little, and never really established our inside game, i think there comes a point where its not the players but the coaching staff that have to adjust. anyways, this isnt a fire pop! post, but i do hope both the coaching staff and players learned some lessons from the series
Yeah, could've playing Barry more in game 4 and game 1 helped? Yeah.Quote:
Originally Posted by 1Parker1
Playing Bowen more in game 1 helped? Maybe.
When it comes down to it, I think it still ends the same. The team had nothing left. The regular season flurry, along with the matchups of New Orleans and Phoenix killed them.
BINGO!!!! :toast:toast:toastQuote:
Originally Posted by Robinzine
POP=THE GODFATHER!!Quote:
Originally Posted by TwinFlowers