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Anyone that says Manu was not the reason Spurs lost this series should go watch the tape.
Was he hurt? Certainly. Was he out of gas? Of course. But not acknowledging the fact that with Regular Season Manu Spurs would be in the NBA Finals is just blind.
Unfortunately for us, fatigue and injury kicked in at the worst possible time.
On the other hand stating that Manu is a choker is plain retarded.
I think Manu's health was a huge reason the Spurs lost the series. However, the Spurs and Manu should have come up with a way to adjust. They didn't. No excuses. The Lakers took advantage of the Spurs weaknesses and capitalized. They were the better team and mostly because the Spurs had 1/4 of Manu. Someone on the Spurs should have stepped up. Barry did a good job of that in game four, but others should have chipped in too.
I would agree but I think it was one of the reasons and probably the biggest. No one player wins or loses a series. In the Spurs title years, there were times in the playoffs where one or two of the big 3 were sputtering and someone else stepped up big. Maybe for a game or maybe two but enough to get the team through. That didn't happen in this series.Quote:
Originally Posted by T Park
Jayem is probably the worst human being currently posting on these forums. He would be better served as a bandwagon "fan" of the Lakers.
Or better yet driving off a cliff.Quote:
Originally Posted by Extra Stout
As with many on this board, I have probably seen Manu play 500 games. When he is not right physically it is very apparent. And, he was not right. Ankle, groin, finger, and general fatigue from carrying the team for a month earlier kept him from being his best. Throw in a defense designed to keep him bottled up....yes he had turnovers, but how many great passes to KT or Oberto or others that should have been assists that turned into fumbles, misses, etc. I believe Pop should have played him less or even sat him a game to try and get him back to 70-80% instead of the 50% he played at.
No 1 player wins, but Parker and Duncan did their part to a point. Had Ginobili, were talking about whos a better matchup, Boston or Detroit.Quote:
Originally Posted by samikeyp
Manu should sit out the Olympics. If he doesn't Holt ought to crucify his ass.
I also agreeQuote:
Originally Posted by Mr. Body
but to blame it all on him is wrong
however he was a main part of the problem
he was injured some and could not help with the rebounding
As someone else pointed out, Tim and Tony did their part. The one not delivering was Gino. I expected a lot more out of him and the rest of the team. I don't feel we went down swinging. I expected more fire out of these Spurs.
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Originally Posted by Jayem
If the Spurs almost get swept now, what do you think will happen when Bynum comes back? Spurs are done unless they have a miraculous offseason.
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Originally Posted by Spurminator
If you watched the games in this series and say, the previous 500 games or so of his career, you would see that Manu was playing on one leg/ankle. The "I'm fine stuff" was for the media.Quote:
Originally Posted by Jayem
Skip Bayless is a idiot. Period. End of Story. Skip also is not a fan of the ladies if you know what I mean.
Doubtful either one happens unfortunately.Quote:
Originally Posted by picnroll
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Originally Posted by Harry Callahan
Yeah typical Spur, won't make excuses.
Through out the series.. how many times did you yell to yourself or the people around you, DAMNIT Ginobili!!
I understand what he has done for the Spurs franchise, and that he was less then 100%. But if you are going to hurt the team with stupid decisions and poor effort, sit down.
Let someone else play who will dive for a loose ball. How wil put zip on their pass.
He had a stellar game 3, but the only difference was he hit those 3 pointers. For the entire series he ROUTINELY made DUMB decisions and got beat on EFFORT plays.
I recorded the series and starting from GAME 1, Ginobili was bringing the Spurs down with his mistakes.
It's like someone reversed Manu. I've seen him win games sheerly on his will. But this WCF was strange, he was a Miasma. There are stretches of the game where he is the Lakers best player.
I seriously think someone kidnapped a relative or something, because it was consistenly playing boneheaded basketball.
Ankle injury fine, but that makes you throw the same slow lazy pass? Even on the last game he was still doing that.
Make adjustments man. Everyone knows when you work the pick and roll how you pass the ball, so don't fucking throw it up for grabs. It's like he tossed it and didn't give a fuck if he turned it over.
Pop gave him way too long of a leash. A competitor like Ginobili isn't going to pull himself out.
If Manu was 100% for the Faker series...Spurs win 4-1. Bayless and the Faker toads can yak all they want, but that is the fact. However, it didn't happen, so Celtics in 6. Fakers and Hornets get to celebrate their division and conference crowns respectively, but that is all they get. :lmao
Agree with jayem. This forum pussifies Manu and over rates him. There always has to be a reason why Manu plays poorly. Mostly I hear he is too tired.
Reality is Manu is an inconsistent player with many ups and downs and in the Laker series he was on a down. Manu is just under the real all stars of the league and should be traded now while he still has value for a younger player with upside star potential. His value is likely to fall rapidly in the next year or two .
Manu was far more injured than he or anyone else in the Spurs organization cared to admit. When was the last time Manu went hard to the rack and dunked? The scoring was missed, but the assists, the rebounds, the steals- the numerous hustle plays, especially in crunch time- dude was nowhere close to the high level of play Spurs fans have come to expect. This shit could not be any more obvious. Did anyone really think that this Spurs team would win the championship with anything less than the big three playing their best? Playing well when it counts, staying healthy, sometimes being a little bit lucky...all necessary in making a championship run. It just did not happen for this year's Spurs. Bayless is a dipshit.
Bynum :lmao:lmao:lmaoQuote:
Originally Posted by Lake_show
IdiotQuote:
Originally Posted by rascal
Really? Seriously, you are a grade A jackass.Quote:
Originally Posted by rascal
Nah, Manu deserves his props.
He is one of the rare Wills that can take over a game when he is in the zone.
This hombre was born to play basketball.
It's just he doesn't seem to know how to adjust when he doesn't have it.
It's like a bird with a broken wing still trying to fly.
I never cringed so much in my life for Manu's sake this series.
It was getting to the point I was hoping the ball didn't go near him during crucial moments because it seems he was always making the wrong play.
EVERY time the spurs were just about to get over the hump, it seemed Manu would do something and the Lakers would get the momentum back. Every game except game 3.
It's uncanny. If you have such a High basketball, How do you make so many rookie type mistakes.
I mean the Spurs in general made too many mistakes to win that series, but so much stemmed from Manu and it trickled down.
Cuz Manu is the shit and you can't hold his jock.