Trade Ginobili for the right piece to the puzzle

I know this isn't going to go over well with the Church of Manu, but I think we saw a glimpse into his future this postseason. Sure, he was banged up and only a shell of himself, but he relies so much on his athleticism. He is going to start losing that in the next couple of years and I think the Spurs need to start exploring the option of trading him while he still has some value.

Obviously, we would have to get the right fit in here to make any kind of move for a player like Manu and it couldn't be a prospect. I think a lot of teams would be interested in having him as a leader and helping them get over the hump.

Here are a few ideas:

Andre Iguodala - He would be awesome. He is 24 years old, plays great defense and has an all-around great game and will continue to improve.

Jason Richardson - 27 years old, great offensive game and would fit nicely as the 3rd piece. Also, Larry Brown loves vets and would love to have Ginobili.

Brandon Roy - 24, doubtful Portland would bite with their young base team, but maybe they want a leader like Manu.


Regardless, I think it's time to look at options. His game is going to decline in the next few years and he will become another version of Brent Barry once it happens.

Trading Ginobili is just crazy talk.

Guy was hurt, he couldn't put any weight on his ankle, he had no balance or explosiveness because of it.

I don't agree.

I am sorry, but the thought of trading Ginobili is just plain stupid.

keep in mind, that not only was he hurt, but he also had Kobe guarding him most of the series, and whether you want to admit it or not, Kobe is an outstanding defensive player.

Now on the other end of the spectrum........your signature images are brilliant !

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Originally Posted by Tyler_Durden

Trading Ginobili is just crazy talk.

Guy was hurt, he couldn't put any weight on his ankle, he had no balance or explosiveness because of it.

I don't agree.

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It's not crazy talk. You guys need to try look at this objectively. Was Manu hurt? Of course he was, but this is just a perfect glimpse of what he will be in about 2-3 years when he loses a step.

Manu has taken a beating because of his style of play (which is awesome), but it puts more wear on players like him than a fundamental guy like Duncan.

Parker is still very young and improving so trading him is out of the question.

If we want to compete with LA, New Orleans, and Portland for the next 3 years while Duncan is still in his prime, we need more athleticism and I just don't think a 33 year old beat up Ginobili is the answer.

I love Ginobili and everything he has done for the franchise, but I want to squeeze 1 or 2 more Championships out of Duncan's career and the only way we are going to do that is by making a move to keep up with the Joneses. The only logical option for doing so is moving Manu for the right player.

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Originally Posted by 50 cent

It's not crazy talk. You guys need to try look at this objectively. Was Manu hurt? Of course he was, but this is just a perfect glimpse of what he will be in about 2-3 years when he loses a step.

Manu has taken a beating because of his style of play (which is awesome), but it puts more wear on players like him than a fundamental guy like Duncan.

Parker is still very young and improving so trading him is out of the question.

If we want to compete with LA, New Orleans, and Portland for the next 3 years while Duncan is still in his prime, we need more athleticism and I just don't think a 33 year old beat up Ginobili is the answer.

I love Ginobili and everything he has done for the franchise, but I want to squeeze 1 or 2 more Championships out of Duncan's career and the only way we are going to do that is by making a move to keep up with the Joneses. The only logical option for doing so is moving Manu for the right player.

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Actually, no. Not gonna happen. NEXT!

Naw, I wouldn't trade him. But next season the Spurs need to find a way to save him for the playoffs. As I said in another thread, playing him 20 minutes a game and in only 40 games is the type of strategy I'm thinking about.

Ginobili's athleticism this year peaked in December and his performance peaked in February. Part of the performance part of that equation is related to injuries .... but a majority of the reason Ginobili's athleticism and performance declined was due to fatigue. Drastic measures have to be taken to make sure that doesn't happen next year in the playoffs ........ especially considering he'll be playing in the Olympics this summer.

I don't want to trade Manu but I also don't want to ignore the reality and have the Spurs go into next year without an active gameplan regarding how to save Manu for the postseason.

I see what you're saying, but the Spurs are not going to deal Ginobili. I see him getting more rest durng the season to insure he isnt hurt and/or fatigued in the playoffs.
He simply is too valuable to the core of the team and has been a MAJOR contributor in 2, if not 3 championship runs. He still has a lot left in his tank.

Manu for Tmac....

:D

DD

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Originally Posted by 50 cent

I know this isn't going to go over well with the Church of Manu, but I think we saw a glimpse into his future this postseason. Sure, he was banged up and only a shell of himself, but he relies so much on his athleticism. He is going to start losing that in the next couple of years and I think the Spurs need to start exploring the option of trading him while he still has some value.

Obviously, we would have to get the right fit in here to make any kind of move for a player like Manu and it couldn't be a prospect. I think a lot of teams would be interested in having him as a leader and helping them get over the hump.

Here are a few ideas:

Andre Iguodala - He would be awesome. He is 24 years old, plays great defense and has an all-around great game and will continue to improve.

Jason Richardson - 27 years old, great offensive game and would fit nicely as the 3rd piece. Also, Larry Brown loves vets and would love to have Ginobili.

Brandon Roy - 24, doubtful Portland would bite with their young base team, but maybe they want a leader like Manu.


Regardless, I think it's time to look at options. His game is going to decline in the next few years and he will become another version of Brent Barry once it happens.

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LMAO!!! Keep dreaming!! GiNOSEbili has been EXPOSED!

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Originally Posted by timvp

Naw, I wouldn't trade him. But next season the Spurs need to find a way to save him for the playoffs. As I said in another thread, playing him 20 minutes a game and in only 40 games is the type of strategy I'm thinking about.

Ginobili's athleticism this year peaked in December and his performance peaked in February. Part of the performance part of that equation is related to injuries .... but a majority of the reason Ginobili's athleticism and performance declined was due to fatigue. Drastic measures have to be taken to make sure that doesn't happen next year in the playoffs ........ especially considering he'll be playing in the Olympics this summer.

I don't want to trade Manu but I also don't want to ignore the reality and have the Spurs go into next year without an active gameplan regarding how to save Manu for the postseason.

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If we're even thinking of doing that, we need a 50x better bench than what we currently have. Fact is, the West is loaded right now. Nobody knew the seeds until the last few days of the season. You can't coast anymore. That's the whole reason Pop couldn't rest any of the big 3 much anymore. Next season you need to add Portland to the mix too.
You know, we can't have the luxury of not having our top scorer out there for long stretches anymore. So either Manu learns how to pace himself better, or we basically get another two all-stars to cover for the other 3 that need the rest.

I would rather have Manu over Richardson.

No way either team moves Andre or Brandon for Manu.

To move Manu you'd have to take a loss and at this point I see no reason to take a loss. He's far from being done. He's only 30 and coming off his most productive season ever. I think you get 3 more good years out of him before the decline sets in.

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Originally Posted by timvp

Naw, I wouldn't trade him. But next season the Spurs need to find a way to save him for the playoffs. As I said in another thread, playing him 20 minutes a game and in only 40 games is the type of strategy I'm thinking about.

Ginobili's athleticism this year peaked in December and his performance peaked in February. Part of the performance part of that equation is related to injuries .... but a majority of the reason Ginobili's athleticism and performance declined was due to fatigue. Drastic measures have to be taken to make sure that doesn't happen next year in the playoffs ........ especially considering he'll be playing in the Olympics this summer.

I don't want to trade Manu but I also don't want to ignore the reality and have the Spurs go into next year without an active gameplan regarding how to save Manu for the postseason.

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But can the Spurs afford to only play him 20 minutes a game during the regular season? I think they need a bigger contributer than that. As we saw this postseason, home court advantage is no joke anymore. No longer can you coast through the regular season with no care if you are a #1 or #5 seed. We were lucky to scrape by New Orleans and it's not going to get any easier.

I know Manu is beloved by the Hispanic community and I think there is probably little chance that he will be traded, but I think if any of those 3 teams above would listen, we have to consider it.

I know his performance this Playoffs was based on his fatigue and injuries, but I just think this should set off a light bulb to the fans and the front office that this is what Manu's game is going to look like in a couple of years when, because of his style of play, from playing 100+ NBA games per season plus the Olympics takes a permanent toll on his body.

It would be entirely different if he were 27 or 28.

Iguodala and Roy are far better players and worth more than Manu is right now.

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Originally Posted by 50 cent

Andre Iguodala - He would be awesome. He is 24 years old, plays great defense and has an all-around great game and will continue to improve.

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The kid is a young stud. No way they trade for an aging Manu, who has a history of injuries and breaking down.

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Jason Richardson - 27 years old, great offensive game and would fit nicely as the 3rd piece. Also, Larry Brown loves vets and would love to have Ginobili.

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No way. JRich is a nice player, but his head is not always screwed on straight.

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Brandon Roy - 24, doubtful Portland would bite with their young base team, but maybe they want a leader like Manu.

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Huh? Why would Portland want to trade a very young stud player for an older stud who is beginning to break down?

Regardless....
Trading Manu is not in the Spurs best interests. You could not get equal value for him. His age and injuries are going to hurt his value. So you'd be downgrading if you were to trade Manu.
Not an option.

What are the chances of the Spurs getting the #2 pick in the draft? Sources are saying that Miami is looking into shopping the pick....

You don't trade the heart and soul of your team.

You trade Ginobili, you flush any chances of winning a ring.

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Originally Posted by Mr. Body

Iguodala and Roy are far better players and worth more than Manu is right now.

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Far better players?

At their best, Manu still has an edge over both of them. I saw Iguodala in the playoffs. He doesn't know how to win. Several times in the clutch he drove right into a herd of defenders and screwed up the play. He's athletic but a dumb player. I don't think he will win us games in the playoffs. He's a third banana on a bad team trying to be their leader.

Roy is better rounded and will be a good player but hasn't even been in the playoffs. Ginobili is one of the best clutch players in the league. Yes, his health is a concern but when he's on he's in a different league then all but about 10 players in the league. He's a weapon that we should utilize, not wear down into dust, which is what happened this year when he valiantly played hard and kept the team going when Tony was injured.

Ginobili is probably going to play in the Olympics and come into camp even more beat. We do need to severely adjust his minutes as timvp suggested. But trading Manu would take months for the team to recover from. Many fans would never come back. I can't see Pop ever going for that trade. It would have to be a steal for us, and those two players are not steals.

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Originally Posted by T Park

You don't trade the heart and soul of your team.

You trade Ginobili, you flush any chances of winning a ring.

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+1

Lame thread.

enough with this crap, duncan, ginobili and parker are not going anywhere, we live and die with tham.

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Originally Posted by timvp

Naw, I wouldn't trade him. But next season the Spurs need to find a way to save him for the playoffs. As I said in another thread, playing him 20 minutes a game and in only 40 games is the type of strategy I'm thinking about.

Ginobili's athleticism this year peaked in December and his performance peaked in February. Part of the performance part of that equation is related to injuries .... but a majority of the reason Ginobili's athleticism and performance declined was due to fatigue. Drastic measures have to be taken to make sure that doesn't happen next year in the playoffs ........ especially considering he'll be playing in the Olympics this summer.

I don't want to trade Manu but I also don't want to ignore the reality and have the Spurs go into next year without an active gameplan regarding how to save Manu for the postseason.

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Those measures are way too drastic and neither he nor the coaching staff would ever go that far. I think 28 mins and 60 games is more realistic. I think Manu's biggest problem was that he suffered that groin injury in April, right before the playoffs, came back right before they started, and overcompensated for the groin and hurt the ankle. In past seasons the Spurs had such a cushion that they gradually slowed down the minutes for the big three in the last month or sat them some games altogether. This year with the standings being what they were and the conference so competitive, everyone had to play harder and couldn't take games off.

For Manu (as well as Tim and Tony) to take most of April off and get fresh for the playoffs, the cast around them will have to be much better for the first 75 RS games next year.

Is Spurs under the NBA salary caps or are they still bother by this?

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Originally Posted by timvp

Naw, I wouldn't trade him. But next season the Spurs need to find a way to save him for the playoffs. As I said in another thread, playing him 20 minutes a game and in only 40 games is the type of strategy I'm thinking about.

Ginobili's athleticism this year peaked in December and his performance peaked in February. Part of the performance part of that equation is related to injuries .... but a majority of the reason Ginobili's athleticism and performance declined was due to fatigue. Drastic measures have to be taken to make sure that doesn't happen next year in the playoffs ........ especially considering he'll be playing in the Olympics this summer.

I don't want to trade Manu but I also don't want to ignore the reality and have the Spurs go into next year without an active gameplan regarding how to save Manu for the postseason.

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Unbelievable. You have to baby the guy by playing him only 20 min a game and only 40 games. You do that and the spurs don't make the playoffs.

If thats the case then trade him for a younger player who can play the entire season and the playoffs.

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Originally Posted by Spurs16212

What are the chances of the Spurs getting the #2 pick in the draft? Sources are saying that Miami is looking into shopping the pick....

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You don´t trade a player after his best season just because he "might" decline.

TD has 2-3 (and maybe 4) more years in him and Manu does have 2-3 (maybe 4), you can have brandon roy all you want but that would be idiotic because once duncan is gone say bye bye to any championship hopes for a while.

Also Manu was injured because A. He had to carry the team to make the PO (yes if Manu doesn´t go all out during that spurt during the regular season we are out of the playoff picture) and B. Pop choose to rest TD and then TP altogether while Manu, also needing rest, was the one who took the burden.

This is not to blame pop, he could have bet to rest Manu and try get the 8th seed (i have no doubt that we can beat the Lakers when healthy and even more in the first round of PO) but if this move failed then Pop was going to be really blamed.

On a side note i think if you trade Manu for Roy and the blazers get an average PG, you are boosting the Blazers into borderline contenders because Manu will be better than Roy next year and he will make that team grow faster.

i wouldnt say any of the players said in this thread are better or worse then manu....i do know this.....it would take sometime and some getting yelled at by pop before they would be ready to play team ball.......go spurs go

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Originally Posted by T Park

You don't trade the heart and soul of your team.

You trade Ginobili, you flush any chances of winning a ring.

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depends who you get
spurs still have duncan
I do not want to trade him though

it is like saying spurs would never win another title without david robinson

Iguodala is a dime-a-dozen dunker whose defense is outlandishly overrated. Roy is Portland's franchise player and they'd laugh at San Antonio if anything short of Tim Duncan were offered.

J-Rich is really interesting. I don't know if it would make the Spurs a lot better or a lot worse, but it's interesting. But a starting lineup that averages 65% from the free throw line at ALL FIVE POSITIONS can't be healthy.

spurs do not have new york payroll
manu makes alot close to 10 million
if he can only play 40 games and less then half the minutes in them
spurs have to trade him
if he can play 25-30 minutes and miss 10 games and be ok for playoffs you keep him

Agree with 50 cent.

Few in here want to trade anyone. They get married to the players but if a good offer is available Manu would be the best player to trade since he has some value and is more likely to decline faster than Duncan or Parker.

if spurs trade any one the big three
you trade manu


if melo was a better player
I might even offer manu for him

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Originally Posted by ducks

depends who you get
spurs still have duncan
I do not want to trade him though

it is like saying spurs would never win another title without david robinson

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Exactly. T Park just looks at what the spurs will lose . Not even considering what the spurs may gain.

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Originally Posted by rascal

Agree with 50 cent.

Few in here want to trade anyone. They get married to the players but if a good offer is available Manu would be the best player to trade since he has some value and is more likely to decline faster than Duncan or Parker.

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Why wouldn't you get married to 3 players that gave you 3 championships in 6 years, and took you to the WCF this last year?
Plus you cannot get equal value in return, period.

If Manu could fetch you fair value, it would be great. It's not happening though. Manu playing this Summer defnitely isn't going to help things either. Catch 22.

LOL

What a stupid fucking thread.

Y'all have a very short memory of what a healthy Manu brings to the table.

You don't buy high and sell low and a poor finals series on a bad ankle didn't exactly help Manu's value.

Yeah, Spurs need some youth. They know it. They knew three years ago that was a question and their contracts are staged to reload this summer and next summer.

Spurs can still be competitive with the big three and a newer and younger set of role players.

You know why? Spurs have a system that works. if they get the new players to buy into the defensive mindset they can be successful in our system. The players that the Spurs pick up will probably make you scratch your head and go HUH?, but the fact is, with our big three role players a lot of the new guys will get open looks at the basket they only dreamed about on their previous teams. Lock down defense, good unselfish ball rotation in the half court...you will be surprised how no-name role players can flourish in that kind of system even if they can't create their own shot off the dribble...

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Originally Posted by kaji157

You don´t trade a player after his best season just because he "might" decline.

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There is no "might" about it. Ginobili IS going to start declining and probably very soon based on his style of play. It's not like there is a chance he might be great for the next 10 years.

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Originally Posted by CosmicCowboy

LOL

What a stupid fucking thread.

Y'all have a very short memory of what a healthy Manu brings to the table.

You don't buy high and sell low and a poor finals series on a bad ankle didn't exactly help Manu's value.

Yeah, Spurs need some youth. They know it. They knew three years ago that was a question and their contracts are staged to reload this summer and next summer.

Spurs can still be competitive with the big three and a newer and younger set of role players.

You know why? Spurs have a system that works. if they get the new players to buy into the defensive mindset they can be successful in our system. The players that the Spurs pick up will probably make you scratch your head and go HUH?, but the fact is, with our big three role players a lot of the new guys will get open looks at the basket they only dreamed about on their previous teams. Lock down defense, good unselfish ball rotation in the half court...you will be surprised how no-name role players can flourish in that kind of system even if they can't create their own shot off the dribble...

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Indeed.

BTW, Spurs struggled in these playoffs and ultimately lost because:

1) They got out rebounded and out hustled to loose balls

and

2) They missed wide open shots

was it age and fatigue?

probably...

On #1 a young no-name that buys into our system can bring that hustle better than an aging vet with creaky knees.

On #2 he will get open looks. Will he knock them down? Hey...thats why we watch...

Oh geez! The guy wasn't 100% and you want to ship him off. Ridiculous!

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Originally Posted by 50 cent

There is no "might" about it. Ginobili IS going to start declining and probably very soon based on his style of play. It's not like there is a chance he might be great for the next 10 years.

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Because all the indicators are there, right? Like he had his best season in the NBA yet. Sure, he will decline sooner or later, but right now there's no indication that the guy that took us to the playoffs in the first place is on the decline.

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Originally Posted by 50 cent

There is no "might" about it. Ginobili IS going to start declining and probably very soon based on his style of play. It's not like there is a chance he might be great for the next 10 years.

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Go read ESPN´s Hollinger then, Manu is developing a very reliable 3pt shoot that will keep him valuable until his contract expires to say the least.
He has also improved his midrange J and will likely continue to improve it.
His penetration will decline, but if he completes the transition into a JS the lanes may be more open to him balancing his drop in speed.

Of course you can continue with your opinion but what i said are just facts.

The Spurs only need TP to step up in the RS a lil bit more so that Manu don´t need to carry the team all by himself, this is also necessary for Tony if he is interested on becoming the cornerstone for the post Duncan era.

No. Won't/can't happen.

I hate seeing any player traded off the Lakers so I get your loyalty but I think you have to trade Manu for the betterment of the team.

Manu has high value so you can get 2 good players for 1 very good player. Spurs can pick up a scoring small forward and shooting guard at the same time.

You say that Manu's great and that he's the heart of this team. But then again, you have to wonder why he's the sixth man instead of a starter. It comes down to his being fragile, that's the knock on him.

You have an old team and you are spending $10 million on a guy who can't play more than 30 minutes a game. That is and will be the Spurs weakness, star players who can't play big minutes.

Manu averaged only 31 minutes this year and ran out of gas in the Playoffs. Pop will probably have to reduce him down to 25 minutes to make sure he's rested. Hell, Timmy will have to play more minutes because Manu needs more rest.

Manu is shortening the careers of either Timmy or Tony because he needs rest and you gotta play Timmy or Tony more. Tony and Timmy already play 34 minutes a game, how much more will they have to play to give Manu even more rest next year?

25 minutes per game for your $10 million 3rd star player while forcing your Superstar to play more minutes to compensate for Manu's rest time.

Then you look at the Lakers and every single one of them top to bottom can run for 40 minutes except for Fish.

I'm not sure how this is good for the Spurs.

He hasn't even played 28 minutes per game in his career, the guy is overrated.

It's not a bad idea! I think they shop him around to see what teams offer! He's got arthrities in his ankle, he's been banged up all year and then he wants to play in the summer!!! He's gonna break his body down!! With all that and the summer I really don't think he'll be productive next year, unless coach Pop plays him 20 mins. a game!
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Originally Posted by Allanon

I hate seeing any player off the Lakers as well but I think you have to trade Manu.

Manu has high value so you can get 2 good players for 1 very good player. Spurs can pick up a scoring small forward and shooting guard at the same time.

You say that Manu's great and that he's the heart of this team. But then again, you have to wonder why he's the sixth man instead of a starter. It comes down to his being fragile, that's the knock on him.

You have an old team and you are spending $10 million on a guy who can't play more than 30 minutes a game. That is and will be the Spurs weakness, star players who can't play big minutes.

Manu averaged only 31 minutes this year and ran out of gas in the Playoffs. Pop will probably have to reduce him down to 25 minutes to make sure he's rested. Hell, Timmy will have to play more minutes because Manu needs more rest.

Manu is shortening the careers of either Timmy or Tony because he needs rest and you gotta play Timmy or Tony more. Tony and Timmy already play 34 minutes a game, how much more will they have to play to give Manu even more rest next year?

25 minutes per game for your $10 million 3rd star player while forcing your Superstar to play more minutes to compensate for Manu's rest time.

Then you look at the Lakers and every single one of them top to bottom can run for 40 minutes except for Fish.

I'm not sure how this is good for the Spurs.

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That's why you're a Laker fan. Ginobili is not going anywhere.

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Originally Posted by Allanon

I hate seeing any player off the Lakers as well but I think you have to trade Manu.

Manu has high value so you can get 2 good players for 1 very good player. Spurs can pick up a scoring small forward and shooting guard at the same time.

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The Spurs wouldn't get 2 good players for Manu right now. Most good players make as much as Manu does. So I don't know how you think the Spurs will get two of them. Teams aren't giving up the likes of Brandon Roy (or Carmelo Anthony like you mentioned in the other thread) for Manu.

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You say that Manu's great and that he's the heart of this team. But then again, you have to wonder why he's the sixth man instead of a starter.

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Whether he starts or comes off the bench, he always plays 27-31 mpg. The reason he has been moved to the bench regularly is a) the bench had no scoring punch b) it's easier for him to score when he doesn't have to share the ball with Tim/Tony and c) because other Spurs have sucked in the bench role (i.e. Finley) and the Spurs try to get these players involved earlier in the offense. Manu starting or not starting doesn't have anything to do with him being "fragile."

The reason Manu got worn out this season was because Tony was hurt for over 2 months (off the court for a month of that) and Manu had to carry much more the load than in previous seasons.

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Manu averaged only 31 minutes this year and ran out of gas in the Playoffs. Pop will probably have to reduce him down to 25 minutes to make sure he's rested. Hell, Timmy will have to play more minutes because Manu needs more rest.

25 minutes per game for your $10 million 3rd star player while forcing your Superstar to play more minutes to compensate for Manu's rest time. I'm not sure how this is good for the Spurs.

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Cutting Manu from 30 to 25 minutes won't increase Timmy's minutes, it will increase the load of the other Spurs wings. Manu can give you 18/4/4 in 25 minutes a game when rested, plus he is clutch and has an incredible will to win. I'll take that every day of the week for $10 million.

19.5 ppg in the regular season. Highest points, rebounds, assists and 3 point percentage in his career.

18 ppg vs Suns
21, 6 and 5 vs the Hornets

Just because he was banged up/worn down against the Lakers doesn't mean he's fragile or finished.

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Originally Posted by Allanon

you have to wonder why he's the sixth man instead of a starter.

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actually i don't think too many people wonder about that anymore.

i don't even think argentina wonders about this.

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Originally Posted by Kori Ellis

19.5 ppg in the regular season. Highest points, rebounds, assists and 3 point percentage in his career.

18 ppg vs Suns
21, 6 and 5 vs the Hornets

Just because he was banged up/worn down against the Lakers doesn't mean he's fragile or finished.

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It really doesn't mean that he can be productive after competing this summer! Besides he turns 31 & hes got an arthritic ankle! I'm just say lets see what teams might offer or what he can get, It doesn't mean we have to!

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Originally Posted by Kori Ellis

The Spurs wouldn't get 2 good players for Manu right now. Most good players make as much as Manu does. So I don't know how you think the Spurs will get two of them. Teams aren't giving up the likes of Brandon Roy (or Carmelo Anthony like you mentioned in the other thread) for Manu.

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Carmelo is getting traded and he is the one who won't get equal value. Why not for Manu. Brandon Roy I agree is not obtainable.

As for 2 good players, there are a bunch of up and coming players that would fit that I mentioned earlier. They aren't each as good as Manu right now but they have potential and they aren't chopped liver right now either:

Travis Outlaw + Martell
Luol Deng + somebody
Jamal Crawford with David Lee or Nate Robinson or that wierd named dude

By trading in Manu for these young up and coming players, they get max value on Manu while also being good for the next 4 years.

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Manu starting or not starting doesn't have anything to do with him being "fragile."

The reason Manu got worn out this season was because Tony was hurt for over 2 months (off the court for a month of that) and Manu had to carry much more the load than in previous seasons.

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When Manu is playing "too many minutes" at 31 minutes, I think that is fragile for such a relatively young player.

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Cutting Manu from 30 to 25 minutes won't increase Timmy's minutes, it will increase the load of the other Spurs wings.

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Timmy or Tony or Manu has to be on the floor at all times for the Spurs to go. So with Manu sitting, that leaves either Tony or Timmy on the floor to make up for those that Manu should be.

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Manu can give you 18/4/4 in 25 minutes a game when rested, plus he is clutch and has an incredible will to win. I'll take that every day of the week for $10 million.

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Yes I agree, that's why the Nuggets would consider dumping Carmelo for Manu. They get a talented veteran without losing much in points. The Spurs get one of the best shooters in the game.

This is a ridiculous thread. Not only the church of manu is telling you that.

I can't believe you are the same guy who puts manu in a pedestal when he has a good game and throw him under the bus when he's down.

The problem with this season was the bench and Finley. They couldn't hit a shot all season long. Parker and Duncan were injured for weeks so all the load was on Manu.

How many weeks was Finley playing like garbage?

How many shots did Horry hit?

Barry was out for months

JV? the mighty mouse?

Who was hitting the damn shots?

All this that happened was a carry over from the entire season. The guy was wasted, it has nothing to do with "a glimpse" into the future or what the guy can give you.

Also you can't just hope to "save" him for the playoffs if the rest of the team is injured/plays like garbage. Manu was basically the main reason the spurs got into the playoff and that had its price.

To summarize - most of the team played like garbage all season long or was out injured.

many fucking idiots posting in this thread. very short memory, very weak insight. only thinking about last night.

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Timmy or Tony or Manu has to be on the floor at all times for the Spurs to go. So with Manu sitting, that leaves either Tony or Timmy on the floor to make up for those that Manu should be.

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There's only 48 minutes in a basketball game. Tim and Tony can each play 32 and Manu play 25. One or two of them will be on the floor at all times. That's how it was all last year (06-07) when Manu played 27 mpg. Manu getting his minutes reduced to 25 doesn't effect Tony/Tim's minutes at all.

Oh ... and the Nuggets will get a lot more for Carmelo than Manu.

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There's only 48 minutes in a basketball game. Tim and Tony can each play 32 and Manu play 25. One or two of them be on the floor at all times. That's how it was all last year (06-07) when Manu played 27 mpg. Manu getting his minutes reduced to 25 doesn't effect Tony/Tim's minutes at all.

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I disagree on this but we can leave it at that and see if Tony and Tim play more minutes with Manu playing less next year.

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I don't think the Nuggets can get much more than Manu for Crymelo.

Melo's one of those star crossed stars. He's wildly talented but you take a risk when you have him on your team. Just like that DUI he got during the Playoffs this year. And his infamous "Don't Snitch" video. All that devalues him....he won't be traded for Wade, more likely a Manu level player or parleyed into 2-3 solid players.

I don't think Manu + filler for Carmelo is far-fetched at all.

Why Ginobili!! Is he an all star that had to put up a great out there..Infact trade parker he really fuked up settling for jump shots,not penetrating the basket,causing turnover after turn over..yeah he got lucky with sum shots but to be a finals mvp and an allstar and a seven year veteran with experience cmon man..Dont be silly ..How can you expect ginobili to have a great game if hes a bench player..Another fact...! Finley is a starter he shouldve had made half of his shots but nah he was a brick a fukng old brik ass fkr..Ginobili deserves all the credit in the world and brent barry too cause hes just amazing even when his hurt he tried his best..I kno his gonna get better and he'll be ready for another ring next season..Trade horry finley vauhn fabricio stoudamire and parker Its all about barry + ginobili.+Duncan and bowen now! makes sumthing happen!

Anyway, the Spurs aren't considering offers for Tony, Tim and Manu this summer. But everyone can continue to pipe dream all they want.

The Spurs will just get an MLE level player in free agency. Try to package the end of the bench players with picks and see if anyone bites, round out the roster and then just call it an offseason. They aren't going to do any major deals.

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Why Ginobili!! Is he an all star that had to put up a great out there..Infact trade parker he really fuked up settling for jump shots,not penetrating the basket,causing turnover after turn over..yeah he got lucky with sum shots but to be a finals mvp and an allstar and a seven year veteran with experience cmon man..Dont be silly ..How can you expect ginobili to have a great game if hes a bench player..Another fact...! Finley is a starter he shouldve had made half of his shots but nah he was a brick a fukng old brik ass fkr..Ginobili deserves all the credit in the world and brent barry too cause hes just amazing even when his hurt he tried his best..I kno his gonna get better and he'll be ready for another ring next season..Trade horry finley vauhn fabricio stoudamire and parker Its all about barry + ginobili.+Duncan and bowen now! makes sumthing happen!

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Calm down on your ridiculous Parker hate. It's getting fucking annoying in every thread. Give the Lakers D some credit on stopping the Spurs penetration.

And learn how to spell and punctuate to make your sentences readable, freak.

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I disagree on this but we can leave it at that and see if Tony and Tim play more minutes with Manu playing less next year.


I don't think the Nuggets can get much more than Manu for Crymelo.

Melo's one of those star crossed stars. He's wildly talented but you take a risk when you have him on your team. Just like that DUI he got during the Playoffs this year. And his infamous "Don't Snitch" video. All that devalues him....he won't be traded for Wade, more likely a Manu level player or parleyed into 2-3 solid players.

I don't think Manu + filler for Carmelo is far-fetched at all.

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First of all, we would need to want Carmelo.
An extremely talented me-first, unclutch, living the life dude that can't defend anybody.
Second of all, because it seems it can't get through your thick head, Manu isn't going anywhere.
I'm sure you want Manu traded, and I'm sure you want to see us implode like the Mavs. It just not going to happen.

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Calm down on your ridiculous Parker hate. It's getting fucking annoying in every thread. Give the Lakers D some credit on stopping the Spurs penetration.

And learn how to spell and punctuate to make your sentences readable, freak.

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who gives a fuk about the punctuation fool..I just wanted to get my point across and thats wat i did ....
parker fuked up in new orleans and in lakers series..thats a fact and fuk wat you have to say ..I have my own opinion Aight..:ihit:lol

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who gives a fuk about the punctuation fool..I just wanted to get my point across and thats wat i did ....
parker fuked up in new orleans and in lakers series..thats a fact and fuk wat you have to say ..I have my own opinion Aight..:ihit:lol

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Sure, you just won't have your opinion here.

Good night.

aight.

:lmao I love it here.

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Anyway, the Spurs aren't considering offers for Tony, Tim and Manu this summer. But everyone can continue to pipe dream all they want.

The Spurs will just get an MLE level player in free agency. Try to package the end of the bench players with picks and see if anyone bites, round out the roster and then just call it an offseason. They aren't going to do any major deals.

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I know, it just a topic of disscussion! :wakeup
I'd really hate to lose 1 of the big three but, sometimes change is a good thing!

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I know this isn't going to go over well with the Church of Manu, but I think we saw a glimpse into his future this postseason. Sure, he was banged up and only a shell of himself, but he relies so much on his athleticism. He is going to start losing that in the next couple of years and I think the Spurs need to start exploring the option of trading him while he still has some value.

Obviously, we would have to get the right fit in here to make any kind of move for a player like Manu and it couldn't be a prospect. I think a lot of teams would be interested in having him as a leader and helping them get over the hump.

Here are a few ideas:

Andre Iguodala - He would be awesome. He is 24 years old, plays great defense and has an all-around great game and will continue to improve.

Jason Richardson - 27 years old, great offensive game and would fit nicely as the 3rd piece. Also, Larry Brown loves vets and would love to have Ginobili.

Brandon Roy - 24, doubtful Portland would bite with their young base team, but maybe they want a leader like Manu.


Regardless, I think it's time to look at options. His game is going to decline in the next few years and he will become another version of Brent Barry once it happens.

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maybe for j-rich. no way the other 2 are giving up potential future hall of famers for one that is on the down slope. i think the spurs would be fools to trade Manu. trade Oberto, he looked like youre weak link in these playoffs. he's as soft as well conditioned hair.

I wouldn't shop Manu, but I would listen if the right offer came around. Same with Tony

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First of all, we would need to want Carmelo.
An extremely talented me-first, unclutch, living the life dude that can't defend anybody.
Second of all, because it seems it can't get through your thick head, Manu isn't going anywhere.
I'm sure you want Manu traded, and I'm sure you want to see us implode like the Mavs. It just not going to happen.

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There are lots of bad things about Carmelo, but he's still probably the best pure shooter in the league and I think Pop and Tim can set him straight.

Nope. I don't want to see the Spurs implode, I would hate to see Tim Duncan's career end like Kobe's last 3 years, just churning the wheels.

I'd hate to see the big 3 get broken up, I just think Spurs FO retooling these last few years have left them with an untradeable roster outside of the Big 3. They've let go of all their young talent that could have been traded in exchange for 30+ year old players and that well has run dry. They have totally forgotten to develop young players except for Ian but he's been in the NBDL which is entirely different than the NBA.

Now Splitter says he can't join til possibly 2009 if ever at all.

It's possible that a late first rounder or 2nd rounder might improve the team but that's pretty rare. Free Agents haven't been clamoring to come to San Antonio.

The Spurs can't improve without a major trade and if it doesn't happen, I don't see the Spurs in the Finals for years to come.

Just my humble opinion, I know it's blasphemy in the Church of Manu.

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Nope. I don't want to see the Spurs implode, I would hate to see Tim Duncan's career end like Kobe's last 3 years, just churning the wheels.

I'd hate to see the big 3 get broken up, I just think Spurs FO retooling these last few years have left them with an untradeable roster outside of the Big 3. They've let go of all their young talent that could have been traded in exchange for 30+ year old players and that well has run dry. They have totally forgotten to develop young players except for Ian but he's been in the NBDL which is entirely different than the NBA.

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I'm not necessarily a huge fan of our FO, but for the most part the retooling gave us a title last year. You can't do better than that. Now, normally the Spurs will retool even after winning a championship, but this time around they decided to 'experiment' by bringing back most of the same guys. The experiment wasn't that bad, considering we made it further than ever trying to repeat. But, ultimately it didn't work. So now we're going to dump some salary, and go after some guys that want to win a title. There's plenty of near 30 guys in the league that have made their money and just want a shot at a title. I wouldn't mind also going for something a little younger, like Azubuike (sp?) if he can be had without breaking the bank.

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It's possible that a late first rounder or 2nd rounder might improve the team but that's pretty rare.

The Spurs can't improve without a major trade and if it doesn't happen, I don't see the Spurs in the Finals for years to come.

Just my humble opinion, I know it's blasphemy in the Church of Manu.

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I agree the draft is not going to give us any ready-now talent. But I don't think we're so far off as to need a 'major trade' to get us over the hump.

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There are lots of bad things about Carmelo, but he's still probably the best pure shooter in the league and I think Pop and Tim can set him straight.

Nope. I don't want to see the Spurs implode, I would hate to see Tim Duncan's career end like Kobe's last 3 years, just churning the wheels.

I'd hate to see the big 3 get broken up, I just think Spurs FO retooling these last few years have left them with an untradeable roster outside of the Big 3. They've let go of all their young talent that could have been traded in exchange for 30+ year old players and that well has run dry. They have totally forgotten to develop young players except for Ian but he's been in the NBDL which is entirely different than the NBA.

Now Splitter says he can't join til possibly 2009 if ever at all.

It's possible that a late first rounder or 2nd rounder might improve the team but that's pretty rare. Free Agents haven't been clamoring to come to San Antonio.

The Spurs can't improve without a major trade and if it doesn't happen, I don't see the Spurs in the Finals for years to come.

Just my humble opinion, I know it's blasphemy in the Church of Manu.

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Not from the church of manu but i don't get it why your post would piss them off - i think this was a very decent post.

If you read the articles, then you know that this whole series, Manu has been playing on a really bad ankle. There is no way that he has been "just inconsistent or tired." He got an MRI done on that ankle.

To trade a guy for being hurt is ridiculous? Plus, thanks to his career season year, the Spurs were in the position to win anyway. He held the team together while Tim and Tony were injured.

Anyway, the core four, Tim/Manu/Tony/Bruce, is what gave the Spurs the championships. They all deserve the respect and the admiration of their fans. These guys basically lead the Spurs to the finals with "so-so" role players.

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Why wouldn't you get married to 3 players that gave you 3 championships in 6 years, and took you to the WCF this last year?
Plus you cannot get equal value in return, period.

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You don't build a team on what a player has given you in the past you build on what a player will give you in the future. Building on the past is a recipe for failure. If you can improve the team by trading Manu for a younger future star or a couple of young good players then its not a bad trade.


Who says you can't get equal value back?


Quit being so damn conservative.

Move Manu now because in two years he will not be worth much with his game on decline.

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If Manu were to be traded, you know how much crying the city of San Antonio would have? Manu blogging, "no hard feelings guys, it's a business, we didn't win our repeat..so they traded me. I would have liked to retire a Spur, but I feel ever indebted to San Antonio, Coach Pop, my teammates, for giving me the opportunity to win. I will miss them. "

Also trading a unique competitor like Manu for some steady production might end up biting the Spurs in the ass, should Manu get on a good enough squad. Which definitely be part of the risk.

I'd hate to see Timmy Tony and Pop not play along aside Manu, because they all go together other so well.

Then again Manu might be a non-threat, if he got a bad coach who used his skills poorly, (D'antoni like treatment) so if you were being practical as the FO, trade Manu to the East Coast maybe.

I'd have to change my name to ManuTim_Wohst_Emenies!

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I hate these worst case scenarios offseason speculations during the offseason...this year, it might not be that farfetched where it wouldn't be a fanciful consideration. :( :vomit:

Especially with the league getting better and younger and more competitive(Chris Paul, Lebron, Kobe + good team, Portland, the East getting better) Timmy needs to catch up. :depressed :depressed

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You don't build a team on what a player has given you in the past you build on what a player will give you in the future. Building on the past is a recipe for failure. If you can improve the team by trading Manu for a younger future star or a couple of young good players then its not a bad trade.


Who says you can't get equal value back?


Quit being so damn conservative.

Move Manu now because in two years he will not be worth much with his game on decline.

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First of all, it was only last year that the Spurs won a championship.

Secondly, this was Manu best season in his career. He had career highs in assits, points, steals, etc...Why would you trade a player when he just had the best season of his career?

Not to mention the best streak of games in his career when he was getting 30 pts, 40 pts during a stretch of time.

Why trade him over one series when he was clearly injured?

Then again, I know you can't stand Manu.

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Sure, you just won't have your opinion here.

Good night.

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Did you ban the princess?

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If Manu were to be traded, you know how much crying the city of San Antonio would have? Manu blogging, "no hard feelings guys, it's a business, we didn't win our repeat..so they traded me. I would have liked to retire a Spur, but I feel ever indebted to San Antonio, Coach Pop, my teammates, for giving me the opportunity to win. I will miss them. "


I'd hate to see Timmy Tony and Pop not play along aside Manu, because they all go together other so well.

Especially with the league getting better and younger and more competitive(Chris Paul, Lebron, Kobe + good team, Portland, the East getting better) Timmy needs to catch up. :depressed :depressed

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I love the Spurs. I really do, but mainly because of the core players, Tim/Manu/Tony/Bruce. I live in LA. So I like the Spurs not because I live in San Antonio. Just because I really like the above four players.

Honestly, if one of them were to be traded, I won't be able to be a Spurs fan. Just because I think it would be cruel to do that to one of them after each of them has done so much for the Spurs organization. It would be unfair. I know that the NBA is just a business, but these guys are like a family.

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I love the Spurs. I really do, but mainly because of the core players, Tim/Manu/Tony/Bruce. I live in LA. So I like the Spurs not because I live in San Antonio. Just because I really like the above four players.

Honestly, if one of them were to be traded, I won't be able to be a Spurs fan. Just because I think it would be cruel to do that to one of them after each of them has done so much for the Spurs organization. It would be unfair. I know that the NBA is just a business, but these guys are like a family.

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I'd still be a Spurs fan. But a pretty angry one for a little bit. Usually most NBA championship teams aren't fortunate enough to have a charismatic squad like these guys that only come around every decade to fifteen years or so.

I know most of the NBA don't recognize it, but this team, if they win their fifth ship', with this squad, could be a team for the ages if they're not already that (I still see them being successful in the postseason for a few more years to come. Given the Timmy factor)

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Anyway, the Spurs aren't considering offers for Tony, Tim and Manu this summer. But everyone can continue to pipe dream all they want.

The Spurs will just get an MLE level player in free agency. Try to package the end of the bench players with picks and see if anyone bites, round out the roster and then just call it an offseason. They aren't going to do any major deals.

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No doubt the spurs won't trade Manu Parker Duncan or Bowen. Pop and RC haven't made a major player trade ever. The spurs do not get better through trades.

But I'll tell you right now they will not win another title with those guys as their top 4 players.

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Who says you can't get equal value back?

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No doubt the spurs won't trade Manu Parker Duncan or Bowen. Pop and RC haven't made a major player trade ever. The spurs do not get better through trades.

But I'll tell you right now they will not win another title with those guys as their top 4 players.

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I'll quote you on this.

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No doubt the spurs won't trade Manu Parker Duncan or Bowen. Pop and RC haven't made a major player trade ever. The spurs do not get better through trades.

But I'll tell you right now they will not win another title with those guys as their top 4 players.

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:lol, all Timmy needs is a bench that isn't washed up.

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No doubt the spurs won't trade Manu Parker Duncan or Bowen. Pop and RC haven't made a major player trade ever. The spurs do not get better through trades.

But I'll tell you right now they will not win another title with those guys as their top 4 players.

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ginoboli needs to go with the rest...

his the one that cost us a repeat in 06 against the mavs

and now in 08 against the lakers.....

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I'd still be a Spurs fan. But a pretty angry one for a little bit. Usually most NBA championship teams aren't fortunate enough to have a charismatic squad like these guys that only come around every decade to fifteen years or so.

I know most of the NBA don't recognize it, but this team, if they win their fifth ship', with this squad, could be a team for the ages if they're not already that (I still see them being successful in the postseason for a few more years to come. Given the Timmy factor)

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I don't know. I think the cour players deserve to retire as Spurs. They gave their all to win those championships. It would be disservice to trade any of them. Plus, other than Timmy, none of them make a ton of money compared to other players. Manu's salary is a joke. So these guys play for less money in order to make the team better.

I wouldn't be able to root for the Spurs if they seperate them.

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ginoboli needs to go with the rest...

his the one that cost us a repeat in 06 against the mavs

and now in 08 against the lakers.....

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http://www.twistedtopics.com/vb/images/smilies/a1.gif.. You can't blame it all on him, Spurs just didn't make shots down the stretch!

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:lol, all Timmy needs is a bench that isn't washed up.

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That's the point, without trading a Big 3 player, how do you replace 5 bench players with 5 good younger ones. If the Spurs were in a position to do this, they would have done so this year instead of picking up Mighty Mouse.

They got KT in exchange for their 2009 #1 pick which might be a good pick.

This isn't about blaming Manu, it's just that he's the most logical trade choice of the Big 3.

You can't trade Duncan and Tony is actually young.

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ginoboli needs to go with the rest...

his the one that cost us a repeat in 06 against the mavs

and now in 08 against the lakers.....

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I think people forget that it was his 3 that gave the Spurs the lead in the first place. Then they still had a full 5 minutes in overtime to win the game.

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I love the Spurs. I really do, but mainly because of the core players, Tim/Manu/Tony/Bruce. I live in LA. So I like the Spurs not because I live in San Antonio. Just because I really like the above four players.

Honestly, if one of them were to be traded, I won't be able to be a Spurs fan. Just because I think it would be cruel to do that to one of them after each of them has done so much for the Spurs organization. It would be unfair. I know that the NBA is just a business, but these guys are like a family.

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This type of sentimental thinking will lead you to failure. You don't trade a hall of fame player like Duncan because if your lucky enough to land one you keep him and build around him but anyone else is tradeable if the deal can improve the team.

It makes no sense hanging onto players out of some type of loyalty or what they did in the past.

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That's the point, without trading a Big 3 player, how do you replace 5 bench players with 5 good younger ones. If the Spurs were in a position to do this, they would have done so this year instead of picking up Mighty Mouse.

They got KT in exchange for their 2009 #1 pick which might be a good pick.

This isn't about blaming Manu, it's just that he's the most logical trade choice of the Big 3.

You can't trade Duncan and Tony is actually young.

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Totally agree. Your a logical poster.

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you don't trade any of the big 3 period you build around them..why is this so difficult for you to understand?

I really love these arm chair general managers here:lmao

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That is normally the case but how do you build around the core with no tradeable assets, no good picks (unless it's 2010) and free agents generally not attracted to SA?

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That is normally the case but how do you build around the core with no tradeable assets, no good picks (unless it's 2010) and free agents generally not attracted to SA?

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Tony and Manu don't make a lot of money actually. Manu's salary is like 9 million. Tony makes 10 million.

So they aren't expensive to keep.

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That is normally the case but how do you build around the core with no tradeable assets, no good picks (unless it's 2010) and free agents generally not attracted to SA?

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FA will always be attracted to SA because we got Duncan, and they have enough pride in themselves to think they can help put us over the top. (WCF ain't to shabby)

That's how we've been winning three ships' in the last five years.
No major trades needed.

One or two acquisitions will help our bench enough. Finley in 2006,2007, helped a lot. The only area where the FO dropped the ball which is open to valid criticism was the Scola debacle. We got nothing from Bonner, and Scola would have made a difference for our offensive droughts.

With Mahnhimi developing, we will have a least an option in infusing our bench for 2009. I dont' know about Splitter. But it's not about replacing five players with five good players. Two or three pick ups would be good enough. Plus, Spurs never excelled by being the most talented team, they excelled by being the most disciplined.

But if the Spurs wanted to deviate from their conservative style, it wouldn't be impractical to trade Manu. But I doubt the Spurs org. would do it.

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But if the Spurs wanted to deviate from their conservative style, it wouldn't be impractical to trade Manu. But I doubt the Spurs org. would do it.

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But that conservative style has helped the Spurs win 4 championships. Why change something that has worked before, even recently in 2007?

Do you think the Spurs would actually consider trading Manu? I honestly think Tim and Tony would have a big problem with that. I also don't think Pop would be okay with such a trade.

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But that conservative style has helped the Spurs win 4 championships. Why change something that has worked before, even recently in 2007?

Do you think the Spurs would actually consider trading Manu? I honestly think Tim and Tony would have a big problem with that. I also don't think Pop would be okay with such a trade.

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No. I'm just saying hypothetically, a team in this situation would consider it.

But in our case they're likely not gonna trade Manu. Another team would , but the Spurs org. wouldn't because they're smart enough not to knee jerk. Plus the problem was our offensive production from the bench.

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The Spurs will just get an MLE level player in free agency. Try to package the end of the bench players with picks and see if anyone bites, round out the roster and then just call it an offseason. They aren't going to do any major deals.

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In other words, the same team that was too old this year will be a year older.