Trade Ginobili for the right piece to the puzzle

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Originally Posted by Kori Ellis

The Spurs wouldn't get 2 good players for Manu right now. Most good players make as much as Manu does. So I don't know how you think the Spurs will get two of them. Teams aren't giving up the likes of Brandon Roy (or Carmelo Anthony like you mentioned in the other thread) for Manu.

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Carmelo is getting traded and he is the one who won't get equal value. Why not for Manu. Brandon Roy I agree is not obtainable.

As for 2 good players, there are a bunch of up and coming players that would fit that I mentioned earlier. They aren't each as good as Manu right now but they have potential and they aren't chopped liver right now either:

Travis Outlaw + Martell
Luol Deng + somebody
Jamal Crawford with David Lee or Nate Robinson or that wierd named dude

By trading in Manu for these young up and coming players, they get max value on Manu while also being good for the next 4 years.

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Manu starting or not starting doesn't have anything to do with him being "fragile."

The reason Manu got worn out this season was because Tony was hurt for over 2 months (off the court for a month of that) and Manu had to carry much more the load than in previous seasons.

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When Manu is playing "too many minutes" at 31 minutes, I think that is fragile for such a relatively young player.

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Cutting Manu from 30 to 25 minutes won't increase Timmy's minutes, it will increase the load of the other Spurs wings.

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Timmy or Tony or Manu has to be on the floor at all times for the Spurs to go. So with Manu sitting, that leaves either Tony or Timmy on the floor to make up for those that Manu should be.

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Manu can give you 18/4/4 in 25 minutes a game when rested, plus he is clutch and has an incredible will to win. I'll take that every day of the week for $10 million.

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Yes I agree, that's why the Nuggets would consider dumping Carmelo for Manu. They get a talented veteran without losing much in points. The Spurs get one of the best shooters in the game.

This is a ridiculous thread. Not only the church of manu is telling you that.

I can't believe you are the same guy who puts manu in a pedestal when he has a good game and throw him under the bus when he's down.

The problem with this season was the bench and Finley. They couldn't hit a shot all season long. Parker and Duncan were injured for weeks so all the load was on Manu.

How many weeks was Finley playing like garbage?

How many shots did Horry hit?

Barry was out for months

JV? the mighty mouse?

Who was hitting the damn shots?

All this that happened was a carry over from the entire season. The guy was wasted, it has nothing to do with "a glimpse" into the future or what the guy can give you.

Also you can't just hope to "save" him for the playoffs if the rest of the team is injured/plays like garbage. Manu was basically the main reason the spurs got into the playoff and that had its price.

To summarize - most of the team played like garbage all season long or was out injured.

many fucking idiots posting in this thread. very short memory, very weak insight. only thinking about last night.

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Originally Posted by Allanon

Timmy or Tony or Manu has to be on the floor at all times for the Spurs to go. So with Manu sitting, that leaves either Tony or Timmy on the floor to make up for those that Manu should be.

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There's only 48 minutes in a basketball game. Tim and Tony can each play 32 and Manu play 25. One or two of them will be on the floor at all times. That's how it was all last year (06-07) when Manu played 27 mpg. Manu getting his minutes reduced to 25 doesn't effect Tony/Tim's minutes at all.

Oh ... and the Nuggets will get a lot more for Carmelo than Manu.

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Originally Posted by Kori Ellis

There's only 48 minutes in a basketball game. Tim and Tony can each play 32 and Manu play 25. One or two of them be on the floor at all times. That's how it was all last year (06-07) when Manu played 27 mpg. Manu getting his minutes reduced to 25 doesn't effect Tony/Tim's minutes at all.

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I disagree on this but we can leave it at that and see if Tony and Tim play more minutes with Manu playing less next year.

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Oh ... and the Nuggets will get a lot more for Carmelo than Manu.

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I don't think the Nuggets can get much more than Manu for Crymelo.

Melo's one of those star crossed stars. He's wildly talented but you take a risk when you have him on your team. Just like that DUI he got during the Playoffs this year. And his infamous "Don't Snitch" video. All that devalues him....he won't be traded for Wade, more likely a Manu level player or parleyed into 2-3 solid players.

I don't think Manu + filler for Carmelo is far-fetched at all.

Why Ginobili!! Is he an all star that had to put up a great out there..Infact trade parker he really fuked up settling for jump shots,not penetrating the basket,causing turnover after turn over..yeah he got lucky with sum shots but to be a finals mvp and an allstar and a seven year veteran with experience cmon man..Dont be silly ..How can you expect ginobili to have a great game if hes a bench player..Another fact...! Finley is a starter he shouldve had made half of his shots but nah he was a brick a fukng old brik ass fkr..Ginobili deserves all the credit in the world and brent barry too cause hes just amazing even when his hurt he tried his best..I kno his gonna get better and he'll be ready for another ring next season..Trade horry finley vauhn fabricio stoudamire and parker Its all about barry + ginobili.+Duncan and bowen now! makes sumthing happen!

Anyway, the Spurs aren't considering offers for Tony, Tim and Manu this summer. But everyone can continue to pipe dream all they want.

The Spurs will just get an MLE level player in free agency. Try to package the end of the bench players with picks and see if anyone bites, round out the roster and then just call it an offseason. They aren't going to do any major deals.

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Originally Posted by AztecPrincss

Why Ginobili!! Is he an all star that had to put up a great out there..Infact trade parker he really fuked up settling for jump shots,not penetrating the basket,causing turnover after turn over..yeah he got lucky with sum shots but to be a finals mvp and an allstar and a seven year veteran with experience cmon man..Dont be silly ..How can you expect ginobili to have a great game if hes a bench player..Another fact...! Finley is a starter he shouldve had made half of his shots but nah he was a brick a fukng old brik ass fkr..Ginobili deserves all the credit in the world and brent barry too cause hes just amazing even when his hurt he tried his best..I kno his gonna get better and he'll be ready for another ring next season..Trade horry finley vauhn fabricio stoudamire and parker Its all about barry + ginobili.+Duncan and bowen now! makes sumthing happen!

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Calm down on your ridiculous Parker hate. It's getting fucking annoying in every thread. Give the Lakers D some credit on stopping the Spurs penetration.

And learn how to spell and punctuate to make your sentences readable, freak.

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Originally Posted by Allanon

I disagree on this but we can leave it at that and see if Tony and Tim play more minutes with Manu playing less next year.


I don't think the Nuggets can get much more than Manu for Crymelo.

Melo's one of those star crossed stars. He's wildly talented but you take a risk when you have him on your team. Just like that DUI he got during the Playoffs this year. And his infamous "Don't Snitch" video. All that devalues him....he won't be traded for Wade, more likely a Manu level player or parleyed into 2-3 solid players.

I don't think Manu + filler for Carmelo is far-fetched at all.

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First of all, we would need to want Carmelo.
An extremely talented me-first, unclutch, living the life dude that can't defend anybody.
Second of all, because it seems it can't get through your thick head, Manu isn't going anywhere.
I'm sure you want Manu traded, and I'm sure you want to see us implode like the Mavs. It just not going to happen.

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Originally Posted by Kori Ellis

Calm down on your ridiculous Parker hate. It's getting fucking annoying in every thread. Give the Lakers D some credit on stopping the Spurs penetration.

And learn how to spell and punctuate to make your sentences readable, freak.

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who gives a fuk about the punctuation fool..I just wanted to get my point across and thats wat i did ....
parker fuked up in new orleans and in lakers series..thats a fact and fuk wat you have to say ..I have my own opinion Aight..:ihit:lol

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Originally Posted by AztecPrincss

who gives a fuk about the punctuation fool..I just wanted to get my point across and thats wat i did ....
parker fuked up in new orleans and in lakers series..thats a fact and fuk wat you have to say ..I have my own opinion Aight..:ihit:lol

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Sure, you just won't have your opinion here.

Good night.

aight.

:lmao I love it here.

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Originally Posted by Kori Ellis

Anyway, the Spurs aren't considering offers for Tony, Tim and Manu this summer. But everyone can continue to pipe dream all they want.

The Spurs will just get an MLE level player in free agency. Try to package the end of the bench players with picks and see if anyone bites, round out the roster and then just call it an offseason. They aren't going to do any major deals.

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I know, it just a topic of disscussion! :wakeup
I'd really hate to lose 1 of the big three but, sometimes change is a good thing!

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Originally Posted by 50 cent

I know this isn't going to go over well with the Church of Manu, but I think we saw a glimpse into his future this postseason. Sure, he was banged up and only a shell of himself, but he relies so much on his athleticism. He is going to start losing that in the next couple of years and I think the Spurs need to start exploring the option of trading him while he still has some value.

Obviously, we would have to get the right fit in here to make any kind of move for a player like Manu and it couldn't be a prospect. I think a lot of teams would be interested in having him as a leader and helping them get over the hump.

Here are a few ideas:

Andre Iguodala - He would be awesome. He is 24 years old, plays great defense and has an all-around great game and will continue to improve.

Jason Richardson - 27 years old, great offensive game and would fit nicely as the 3rd piece. Also, Larry Brown loves vets and would love to have Ginobili.

Brandon Roy - 24, doubtful Portland would bite with their young base team, but maybe they want a leader like Manu.


Regardless, I think it's time to look at options. His game is going to decline in the next few years and he will become another version of Brent Barry once it happens.

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maybe for j-rich. no way the other 2 are giving up potential future hall of famers for one that is on the down slope. i think the spurs would be fools to trade Manu. trade Oberto, he looked like youre weak link in these playoffs. he's as soft as well conditioned hair.

I wouldn't shop Manu, but I would listen if the right offer came around. Same with Tony

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Originally Posted by ElNono

First of all, we would need to want Carmelo.
An extremely talented me-first, unclutch, living the life dude that can't defend anybody.
Second of all, because it seems it can't get through your thick head, Manu isn't going anywhere.
I'm sure you want Manu traded, and I'm sure you want to see us implode like the Mavs. It just not going to happen.

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There are lots of bad things about Carmelo, but he's still probably the best pure shooter in the league and I think Pop and Tim can set him straight.

Nope. I don't want to see the Spurs implode, I would hate to see Tim Duncan's career end like Kobe's last 3 years, just churning the wheels.

I'd hate to see the big 3 get broken up, I just think Spurs FO retooling these last few years have left them with an untradeable roster outside of the Big 3. They've let go of all their young talent that could have been traded in exchange for 30+ year old players and that well has run dry. They have totally forgotten to develop young players except for Ian but he's been in the NBDL which is entirely different than the NBA.

Now Splitter says he can't join til possibly 2009 if ever at all.

It's possible that a late first rounder or 2nd rounder might improve the team but that's pretty rare. Free Agents haven't been clamoring to come to San Antonio.

The Spurs can't improve without a major trade and if it doesn't happen, I don't see the Spurs in the Finals for years to come.

Just my humble opinion, I know it's blasphemy in the Church of Manu.

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Originally Posted by Allanon

Nope. I don't want to see the Spurs implode, I would hate to see Tim Duncan's career end like Kobe's last 3 years, just churning the wheels.

I'd hate to see the big 3 get broken up, I just think Spurs FO retooling these last few years have left them with an untradeable roster outside of the Big 3. They've let go of all their young talent that could have been traded in exchange for 30+ year old players and that well has run dry. They have totally forgotten to develop young players except for Ian but he's been in the NBDL which is entirely different than the NBA.

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I'm not necessarily a huge fan of our FO, but for the most part the retooling gave us a title last year. You can't do better than that. Now, normally the Spurs will retool even after winning a championship, but this time around they decided to 'experiment' by bringing back most of the same guys. The experiment wasn't that bad, considering we made it further than ever trying to repeat. But, ultimately it didn't work. So now we're going to dump some salary, and go after some guys that want to win a title. There's plenty of near 30 guys in the league that have made their money and just want a shot at a title. I wouldn't mind also going for something a little younger, like Azubuike (sp?) if he can be had without breaking the bank.

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Originally Posted by Allanon

It's possible that a late first rounder or 2nd rounder might improve the team but that's pretty rare.

The Spurs can't improve without a major trade and if it doesn't happen, I don't see the Spurs in the Finals for years to come.

Just my humble opinion, I know it's blasphemy in the Church of Manu.

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I agree the draft is not going to give us any ready-now talent. But I don't think we're so far off as to need a 'major trade' to get us over the hump.

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Originally Posted by Allanon

There are lots of bad things about Carmelo, but he's still probably the best pure shooter in the league and I think Pop and Tim can set him straight.

Nope. I don't want to see the Spurs implode, I would hate to see Tim Duncan's career end like Kobe's last 3 years, just churning the wheels.

I'd hate to see the big 3 get broken up, I just think Spurs FO retooling these last few years have left them with an untradeable roster outside of the Big 3. They've let go of all their young talent that could have been traded in exchange for 30+ year old players and that well has run dry. They have totally forgotten to develop young players except for Ian but he's been in the NBDL which is entirely different than the NBA.

Now Splitter says he can't join til possibly 2009 if ever at all.

It's possible that a late first rounder or 2nd rounder might improve the team but that's pretty rare. Free Agents haven't been clamoring to come to San Antonio.

The Spurs can't improve without a major trade and if it doesn't happen, I don't see the Spurs in the Finals for years to come.

Just my humble opinion, I know it's blasphemy in the Church of Manu.

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Not from the church of manu but i don't get it why your post would piss them off - i think this was a very decent post.

If you read the articles, then you know that this whole series, Manu has been playing on a really bad ankle. There is no way that he has been "just inconsistent or tired." He got an MRI done on that ankle.

To trade a guy for being hurt is ridiculous? Plus, thanks to his career season year, the Spurs were in the position to win anyway. He held the team together while Tim and Tony were injured.

Anyway, the core four, Tim/Manu/Tony/Bruce, is what gave the Spurs the championships. They all deserve the respect and the admiration of their fans. These guys basically lead the Spurs to the finals with "so-so" role players.

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Originally Posted by ElNono

Why wouldn't you get married to 3 players that gave you 3 championships in 6 years, and took you to the WCF this last year?
Plus you cannot get equal value in return, period.

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You don't build a team on what a player has given you in the past you build on what a player will give you in the future. Building on the past is a recipe for failure. If you can improve the team by trading Manu for a younger future star or a couple of young good players then its not a bad trade.


Who says you can't get equal value back?


Quit being so damn conservative.

Move Manu now because in two years he will not be worth much with his game on decline.

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If Manu were to be traded, you know how much crying the city of San Antonio would have? Manu blogging, "no hard feelings guys, it's a business, we didn't win our repeat..so they traded me. I would have liked to retire a Spur, but I feel ever indebted to San Antonio, Coach Pop, my teammates, for giving me the opportunity to win. I will miss them. "

Also trading a unique competitor like Manu for some steady production might end up biting the Spurs in the ass, should Manu get on a good enough squad. Which definitely be part of the risk.

I'd hate to see Timmy Tony and Pop not play along aside Manu, because they all go together other so well.

Then again Manu might be a non-threat, if he got a bad coach who used his skills poorly, (D'antoni like treatment) so if you were being practical as the FO, trade Manu to the East Coast maybe.

I'd have to change my name to ManuTim_Wohst_Emenies!

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I hate these worst case scenarios offseason speculations during the offseason...this year, it might not be that farfetched where it wouldn't be a fanciful consideration. :( :vomit:

Especially with the league getting better and younger and more competitive(Chris Paul, Lebron, Kobe + good team, Portland, the East getting better) Timmy needs to catch up. :depressed :depressed

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Originally Posted by rascal

You don't build a team on what a player has given you in the past you build on what a player will give you in the future. Building on the past is a recipe for failure. If you can improve the team by trading Manu for a younger future star or a couple of young good players then its not a bad trade.


Who says you can't get equal value back?


Quit being so damn conservative.

Move Manu now because in two years he will not be worth much with his game on decline.

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First of all, it was only last year that the Spurs won a championship.

Secondly, this was Manu best season in his career. He had career highs in assits, points, steals, etc...Why would you trade a player when he just had the best season of his career?

Not to mention the best streak of games in his career when he was getting 30 pts, 40 pts during a stretch of time.

Why trade him over one series when he was clearly injured?

Then again, I know you can't stand Manu.