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05-30-2008
rascal

Re: Trade Ginobili for the right piece to the puzzle

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Originally Posted by Kori Ellis

Sure, you just won't have your opinion here.

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05-30-2008
greens

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Originally Posted by ManuTim_best of Fwiendz

If Manu were to be traded, you know how much crying the city of San Antonio would have? Manu blogging, "no hard feelings guys, it's a business, we didn't win our repeat..so they traded me. I would have liked to retire a Spur, but I feel ever indebted to San Antonio, Coach Pop, my teammates, for giving me the opportunity to win. I will miss them. "

I'd hate to see Timmy Tony and Pop not play along aside Manu, because they all go together other so well.

Especially with the league getting better and younger and more competitive(Chris Paul, Lebron, Kobe + good team, Portland, the East getting better) Timmy needs to catch up. :depressed :depressed

I love the Spurs. I really do, but mainly because of the core players, Tim/Manu/Tony/Bruce. I live in LA. So I like the Spurs not because I live in San Antonio. Just because I really like the above four players.

Honestly, if one of them were to be traded, I won't be able to be a Spurs fan. Just because I think it would be cruel to do that to one of them after each of them has done so much for the Spurs organization. It would be unfair. I know that the NBA is just a business, but these guys are like a family.
05-30-2008
ManuTim_best of Fwiendz

Re: Trade Ginobili for the right piece to the puzzle

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Originally Posted by greens

I love the Spurs. I really do, but mainly because of the core players, Tim/Manu/Tony/Bruce. I live in LA. So I like the Spurs not because I live in San Antonio. Just because I really like the above four players.

Honestly, if one of them were to be traded, I won't be able to be a Spurs fan. Just because I think it would be cruel to do that to one of them after each of them has done so much for the Spurs organization. It would be unfair. I know that the NBA is just a business, but these guys are like a family.

I'd still be a Spurs fan. But a pretty angry one for a little bit. Usually most NBA championship teams aren't fortunate enough to have a charismatic squad like these guys that only come around every decade to fifteen years or so.

I know most of the NBA don't recognize it, but this team, if they win their fifth ship', with this squad, could be a team for the ages if they're not already that (I still see them being successful in the postseason for a few more years to come. Given the Timmy factor)
05-30-2008
rascal

Re: Trade Ginobili for the right piece to the puzzle

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Originally Posted by Kori Ellis

Anyway, the Spurs aren't considering offers for Tony, Tim and Manu this summer. But everyone can continue to pipe dream all they want.

The Spurs will just get an MLE level player in free agency. Try to package the end of the bench players with picks and see if anyone bites, round out the roster and then just call it an offseason. They aren't going to do any major deals.

No doubt the spurs won't trade Manu Parker Duncan or Bowen. Pop and RC haven't made a major player trade ever. The spurs do not get better through trades.

But I'll tell you right now they will not win another title with those guys as their top 4 players.
05-30-2008
ChumpDumper

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Who says you can't get equal value back?

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05-30-2008
LakerHater

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05-30-2008
E20

Re: Trade Ginobili for the right piece to the puzzle

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Originally Posted by rascal

No doubt the spurs won't trade Manu Parker Duncan or Bowen. Pop and RC haven't made a major player trade ever. The spurs do not get better through trades.

But I'll tell you right now they will not win another title with those guys as their top 4 players.

I'll quote you on this.
05-30-2008
ManuTim_best of Fwiendz

Re: Trade Ginobili for the right piece to the puzzle

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Originally Posted by rascal

No doubt the spurs won't trade Manu Parker Duncan or Bowen. Pop and RC haven't made a major player trade ever. The spurs do not get better through trades.

But I'll tell you right now they will not win another title with those guys as their top 4 players.

:lol, all Timmy needs is a bench that isn't washed up.
05-30-2008
LakerHater

Re: Trade Ginobili for the right piece to the puzzle

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Originally Posted by rascal

No doubt the spurs won't trade Manu Parker Duncan or Bowen. Pop and RC haven't made a major player trade ever. The spurs do not get better through trades.

But I'll tell you right now they will not win another title with those guys as their top 4 players.

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05-30-2008
TDMVPDPOY

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ginoboli needs to go with the rest...

his the one that cost us a repeat in 06 against the mavs

and now in 08 against the lakers.....
05-30-2008
greens

Re: Trade Ginobili for the right piece to the puzzle

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Originally Posted by ManuTim_best of Fwiendz

I'd still be a Spurs fan. But a pretty angry one for a little bit. Usually most NBA championship teams aren't fortunate enough to have a charismatic squad like these guys that only come around every decade to fifteen years or so.

I know most of the NBA don't recognize it, but this team, if they win their fifth ship', with this squad, could be a team for the ages if they're not already that (I still see them being successful in the postseason for a few more years to come. Given the Timmy factor)

I don't know. I think the cour players deserve to retire as Spurs. They gave their all to win those championships. It would be disservice to trade any of them. Plus, other than Timmy, none of them make a ton of money compared to other players. Manu's salary is a joke. So these guys play for less money in order to make the team better.

I wouldn't be able to root for the Spurs if they seperate them.
05-30-2008
LakerHater

Re: Trade Ginobili for the right piece to the puzzle

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Originally Posted by TDMVPDPOY

ginoboli needs to go with the rest...

his the one that cost us a repeat in 06 against the mavs

and now in 08 against the lakers.....

http://www.twistedtopics.com/vb/images/smilies/a1.gif.. You can't blame it all on him, Spurs just didn't make shots down the stretch!
05-30-2008
Allanon

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Originally Posted by ManuTim_best of Fwiendz

:lol, all Timmy needs is a bench that isn't washed up.

That's the point, without trading a Big 3 player, how do you replace 5 bench players with 5 good younger ones. If the Spurs were in a position to do this, they would have done so this year instead of picking up Mighty Mouse.

They got KT in exchange for their 2009 #1 pick which might be a good pick.

This isn't about blaming Manu, it's just that he's the most logical trade choice of the Big 3.

You can't trade Duncan and Tony is actually young.
05-30-2008
greens

Re: Trade Ginobili for the right piece to the puzzle

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Originally Posted by TDMVPDPOY

ginoboli needs to go with the rest...

his the one that cost us a repeat in 06 against the mavs

and now in 08 against the lakers.....

I think people forget that it was his 3 that gave the Spurs the lead in the first place. Then they still had a full 5 minutes in overtime to win the game.
05-30-2008
rascal

Re: Trade Ginobili for the right piece to the puzzle

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Originally Posted by greens

I love the Spurs. I really do, but mainly because of the core players, Tim/Manu/Tony/Bruce. I live in LA. So I like the Spurs not because I live in San Antonio. Just because I really like the above four players.

Honestly, if one of them were to be traded, I won't be able to be a Spurs fan. Just because I think it would be cruel to do that to one of them after each of them has done so much for the Spurs organization. It would be unfair. I know that the NBA is just a business, but these guys are like a family.

This type of sentimental thinking will lead you to failure. You don't trade a hall of fame player like Duncan because if your lucky enough to land one you keep him and build around him but anyone else is tradeable if the deal can improve the team.

It makes no sense hanging onto players out of some type of loyalty or what they did in the past.
05-30-2008
rascal

Re: Trade Ginobili for the right piece to the puzzle

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Originally Posted by Allanon

That's the point, without trading a Big 3 player, how do you replace 5 bench players with 5 good younger ones. If the Spurs were in a position to do this, they would have done so this year instead of picking up Mighty Mouse.

They got KT in exchange for their 2009 #1 pick which might be a good pick.

This isn't about blaming Manu, it's just that he's the most logical trade choice of the Big 3.

You can't trade Duncan and Tony is actually young.

Totally agree. Your a logical poster.
05-30-2008
Allanon

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Originally Posted by adam8065

you don't trade any of the big 3 period you build around them..why is this so difficult for you to understand?

I really love these arm chair general managers here:lmao

That is normally the case but how do you build around the core with no tradeable assets, no good picks (unless it's 2010) and free agents generally not attracted to SA?
05-30-2008
greens

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Originally Posted by Allanon

That is normally the case but how do you build around the core with no tradeable assets, no good picks (unless it's 2010) and free agents generally not attracted to SA?

Tony and Manu don't make a lot of money actually. Manu's salary is like 9 million. Tony makes 10 million.

So they aren't expensive to keep.
05-30-2008
ManuTim_best of Fwiendz

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Originally Posted by Allanon

That is normally the case but how do you build around the core with no tradeable assets, no good picks (unless it's 2010) and free agents generally not attracted to SA?

FA will always be attracted to SA because we got Duncan, and they have enough pride in themselves to think they can help put us over the top. (WCF ain't to shabby)

That's how we've been winning three ships' in the last five years.
No major trades needed.

One or two acquisitions will help our bench enough. Finley in 2006,2007, helped a lot. The only area where the FO dropped the ball which is open to valid criticism was the Scola debacle. We got nothing from Bonner, and Scola would have made a difference for our offensive droughts.

With Mahnhimi developing, we will have a least an option in infusing our bench for 2009. I dont' know about Splitter. But it's not about replacing five players with five good players. Two or three pick ups would be good enough. Plus, Spurs never excelled by being the most talented team, they excelled by being the most disciplined.

But if the Spurs wanted to deviate from their conservative style, it wouldn't be impractical to trade Manu. But I doubt the Spurs org. would do it.
05-30-2008
greens

Re: Trade Ginobili for the right piece to the puzzle

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Originally Posted by ManuTim_best of Fwiendz

But if the Spurs wanted to deviate from their conservative style, it wouldn't be impractical to trade Manu. But I doubt the Spurs org. would do it.

But that conservative style has helped the Spurs win 4 championships. Why change something that has worked before, even recently in 2007?

Do you think the Spurs would actually consider trading Manu? I honestly think Tim and Tony would have a big problem with that. I also don't think Pop would be okay with such a trade.
05-30-2008
ManuTim_best of Fwiendz

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Originally Posted by greens

But that conservative style has helped the Spurs win 4 championships. Why change something that has worked before, even recently in 2007?

Do you think the Spurs would actually consider trading Manu? I honestly think Tim and Tony would have a big problem with that. I also don't think Pop would be okay with such a trade.

No. I'm just saying hypothetically, a team in this situation would consider it.

But in our case they're likely not gonna trade Manu. Another team would , but the Spurs org. wouldn't because they're smart enough not to knee jerk. Plus the problem was our offensive production from the bench.
05-30-2008
SRJ

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The Spurs will just get an MLE level player in free agency. Try to package the end of the bench players with picks and see if anyone bites, round out the roster and then just call it an offseason. They aren't going to do any major deals.

In other words, the same team that was too old this year will be a year older.

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