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Vaughn has been solid for San Antonio. His defense is great and he can make the open shots. Much needed against the great point guards in the league. Billups, Nash, Harris, and etc.
Both the Bulls and the Warriors are going to have someone on the block IMO.
The Bulls have too...they actually have chemistry issues due to their glut at SF(Kryhapa isn't happy and has made no secret of it).
Vaughn has been solid for San Antonio. His defense is great and he can make the open shots. Much needed against the great point guards in the league. Billups, Nash, Harris, and etc.
Vaughn has had his moments, but the guy is a huge liability on offense, cant hit jumpers consistently, and his d isnt that great. He will be gone and Im hoping the SPurs look to spend half the MLE on a guy like Atkins, Knight, or even Steve Blake
I'd be fine with that. Your talk about the logjam at our swing spots reminds me that a tall SF would really have to be, well, better than one of Bowen/Finley/Manu to get appreciable minutes next year. Given the learning curve for the average new Spur, it might be difficult to expect a Hedo-type stepping right in next season if those three are still here, even moreso if Barry is here too.Both the Bulls and the Warriors are going to have someone on the block IMO.
The Bulls have too...they actually have chemistry issues due to their glut at SF(Kryhapa isn't happy and has made no secret of it).
Get Slokar. Slokar > Bonner.
Beno, Barry, Elson/Butler for Ron Artest
No telling what the SF solution is. To get an obvious solution, the Spurs will have to trade up in the draft, but even then only Thaddeus Young would be at the extend of their range. Dominic McGuire has the size and athleticism they need and might be in the early 2nd round and will be worth a shot, but the Spurs might as soon pass him by.
If they keep their 1st rounder, I think Gabe Pruitt might still be around, who is a combo guard/point guard. That might as well be the priority in the draft, unless a talented swingman like Rudy Fernandez or Brandon Rush drops a few picks to them.
It looks like Horry is back. Oberto has earned his stripes, but Elson might get shopped, but more than likely he'll stay. I don't know how much roster change will happen. There will have to be a dicision made whether the end of the bench will be blown up or kept around. Barry will be shopped, I think Udrih will be traded away for another negligible player. Whether Butler or White is worth a damn is uncertain at this point, so they'll be kept. I can't imagine the Spurs giving them up - they're a more 'a bird in the hand' team no matter how pretty the birds in the bush.
That was the case in the regular season. In the post season he's sucked and his defense has been horrible. The next time he stays in front of a driving player will be the first time in the playoffs. I don't know if he's hurt or he just gets slower in the playoffs, but the Spurs have to at least bring in a young PG in the draft.
The Spurs have to either dedicate themselves to James White or bring in another young swingman. The perimeter players are too old to try to go through another year with them as is.
@ whottt saying Elson is a bargain. Would you rather have Elson with $6M guaranteed or someone like Justin Williams for less than 20 times that? Elson hasn't done much more than a bigman out of the D-League could do. I would advocate trading him, but unless you throw in draft picks, no one is going to take him.
I'd bring over Mahinmi and probably pick between Scola and Bonner, whichever is cheaper. The mistake I worry the Spurs doing is trading Butler before they ever give him a chance.
That would be nice if McGuire is still around at 28; if not one of those tall young point guards might be a good choice. Of course that Finnish kid would be left overseas.
Since when...have you seen him on the sidelines? If he is in shape, can we wait this long every year for him to get there? Everyone was expecting him to come into training camp and win the starting job eventually. The guy does not take basketball serious enough and he will never crack our rotation...I want guys for the next 3 years that will be able to our 3 headed monster win more championships while they can.
I really think McGuire will still be there. He may blow up in the camps, though. Same with Pruitt: he may be there. Koponen may be there.
Spurs can get something with the 28 that is decent, but it depends what shakes out.
Ford's mock has us taking Pruitt and Fernandez going the pick after us
yeah, it's not certain who will be there, but if we keep the pick, we'll get somebody pretty good, be it Byars, Rush, Fernandez, McGuire, Pruitt, etc. In my mock I have us taking Pruitt (in part because Detroit takes Stuckey in the mid-round).
I do agree that Elson is a relative bargain for what he is doing as a vet big man. Sure he is replaceable, but the corporate knowledge seemed to be seeping at the end of the regular season. If the staff thinks he isn't going to get any better in the defense, he can be dealt.
If the Spurs would have brought in a younger big able to play right away for cheap, I'd think the same corporate knowledge would be there by now. But yeah, as it is, Elson has more value on the team going forward than in a trade since you'd be lucky to get more than a second round pick for him.
He lost 25-30 pounds in his first four months when he arrived here. The Spurs always considered him a cheap project. Fans expected him to win the starting job.
I'm not saying that the Spurs are even going to keep him. But he's not the fat ass that you made him out to be in your original post.
Depends on the player, but I get your point.If the Spurs would have brought in a younger big able to play right away for cheap, I'd think the same corporate knowledge would be there by now.Eh, if it's a luxury tax issue, you might pull the trigger -- in that case bring in Ian/2nd rounder/D-Leaguer. Elson might be one of the most moveable deals for an injury exception next year that I could think of.But yeah, as it is, Elson has more value on the team going forward than in a trade since you'd be lucky to get more than a second round pick for him.
The hard thing about Butler and James White is that they didn't get much PT this year, so we don't know what we're giving up if we trade any of them. But I think there are other players on the roster right now who are higher than they are on the trade bait foot chain, so I doubt they'll be traded this offseason. Beno, Ely and Barry are probably more likely to go. I doubt Beno stays after being in the doghouse for pretty much the entire season. His bags have probably been packed since December.
1. Either trade Scola for a need or higher draft pick or try to bring him over on a reasonable contract that gives the Spurs Bird rights.
2. Finally solve the backup PG problem. Ideally get a combo guard with the ability to defend the larger, stronger PGs, good half-court distributor and has a good outside shot. This kid Koponen sounds interesting. He, on paper, has the above tools, and one comment made about him form the Nike Summit was he's fearless setting picks in the John Stockton mode. He's 6'5" and maybe still gorwing a bit. If he stays in the draft something is up with somebody about a commitment.
3. Get that long needed long SF. Have to be by trade or with MLE because nobody will come in the draft at that position of immediatel help, particularly where the Spurs can draft from.
4. Hope something comes from White, Butler or be more effective/aggressive picking up SL talent than they've been in the past.
I've said all along that point guard should be the position of emphasis in the draft. It's the easiest position to draft and a lot of times, good point guard prospects drop to the end of the first round.
I don't trust the Spurs' scouts enough to draft an American swingman or bigman in the draft. Stick to a domestic point guard and play him in summer league to start the developmental process.
Rudy Fernandez? the spanish player?
The way this draft looks to be shaping up, we should pick up a point guard with our first rounder (unless McGuire falls to us), a big man with #33 and best available talent at #58.
Or just trade them all for nothing.
I'm not sold on the PG in the draft idea...
PG is the hardest position to learn, takes the longest to learn, and what happened with Beno will most likely happen again...
You can get pissed off at a young player for losing confidence...but that isn't going to make them confident...neither is benching them.
I prefer vet back up PG and use this deep draft to try and get the SF(SF are usually the best all around athletes and that is the key to the position)...to me that's a need more easily filled in the draft. And it's also an easier position for a young player to master. PG is the toughest.
I mean I've seen a lot of SF we could have drafted or signed undrafted...I haven't seen many PG's we missed on.
And I do think if the Spurs weren't a le contender Beno would be better developed...Pop can't waste the minutes...
Parker got into the lineup because we literally had no alternative true PG, and because he was extremely talented. We probably aren't going to get another Parker...and if we do, he won't get the time and minutes to develop like Parker...
And you know, it's taken Tony a long time and he's still not quite got it mastered yet. How can we excpect some rookie to contribute?
Would you be opposed to the idea of taking a combo guard? A guy like Belinelli is projected around late 1st, and coulde handle minutes at the point and sg. Or do you think it has to be a fulltime backup point?
Without caring who will drop where, I think it makes the most financial sense to pick a foreign prospect at 28 who can be stashed and a point guard ready to compete for a backup job at 33.
It's always easier to bring over a first round pick than a second round pick, as the Spurs have found out recently. Picking a point guard at 33 gives the Spurs a chance to make sure he's actually better than Beno before giving him a multi-year contract. At 58, it'd be nice to find another sucker team like the Bucks last year who get desperate to jump back into the action and rip them off.
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