Ron Artest in Silver and Black

[Ghost Writer]

That's kinda the point.

timvp suggested a sign-and-trade of Artest, not letting him walk like Anderson.

Hence the term "flip."

Keep up.

[FromWayDowntown]

Pod@mn you're off.

The Spurs didn't to re-sign Derek Anderson to a long term contract so he signed a long term contract with the Blazers.

Ah, but they did in the sense that they accomodated DA through his sign-and-trade wishes. Derek Anderson was, after all, sent to Portland via a sign-and-trade.

I would imagine that in talking about a sign-and-trade with Artest, timvp is thinking about doing the same thing.

[Holt's Cat]

timvp suggested a sign-and-trade of Artest, not letting him walk like Anderson.

Hence the term "flip."

Keep up.

The Spurs sign and traded Anderson.

Next item.

[FromWayDowntown]

The Spurs sign and traded Anderson.

Next item.

My apologies for having been so off.

[Ghost Writer]

Dude, Anderson was already under contract with the Spurs and orchestrated the signing to the Blazers.

At the end of this year, how would the Spurs dupe Artest into signing with them only to ship him off in a sign-and trade?

Apples and oranges.

[Holt's Cat]

Of course, the Kings could very well do the math and realize that a sign and trade in the summer might be preferable to what they can get for Artest today.

[Holt's Cat]

Dude, Anderson was already under contract with the Spurs and orchestrated the signing to the Blazers.

Huh? He was a free agent. No different than Artest will be should he indeed opt out.

At the end of this year, how would the Spurs dupe Artest into signing with them only to ship him off in a sign-and trade?

Apples and oranges.

Apples and apples.

Oranges and oranges.

[FromWayDowntown]

Dude, Anderson was already under contract with the Spurs and orchestrated the signing to the Blazers.

At the end of this year, how would the Spurs dupe Artest into signing with them only to ship him off in a sign-and trade?

Apples and oranges.

{Buzzer} Try again.

Anderson signed a one-year deal when he joined the Spurs in the Summer of 2000. He was negotiating a new deal in the summer of 2001 when he and the Spurs reached an impasse. Portland was willing to give DA what he wanted, but DA needed to sign the deal with the Spurs to get the full benefits afforded by the CBA. The Spurs signed him and then instantaneously traded him to Portland (along with Steve Kerr) for Steve Smith.

It was a textbook sign-and-trade and exactly the same idea that timvp is proposing with Artest.

[Ghost Writer]

I am not following... if Artest can go wherever he wants at the end of the year, why would he agree to a sign and trade?

[Holt's Cat]

I am not following... if Artest can go wherever he wants at the end of the year, why would he agree to a sign and trade?

So he can go to a team that wants him, but doesn't have the cap room to pay him what he wants (ie Knicks).

[FromWayDowntown]

I am not following... if Artest can go wherever he wants at the end of the year, why would he agree to a sign and trade?

Because a player re-signing with his last team can provide substantially greater benefits than if the player signed outright with another team.

He would agree to a sign-and-trade to get another guaranteed year or to get larger year-to-year raises, among other things.

(not to mention, as Holt's Cat explained, the cap benefits for the other team in being able to ship out contracts to offset a contract that it wants to bring in).

[Ghost Writer]

{Buzzer} Try again.

Anderson signed a one-year deal when he joined the Spurs in the Summer of 2000. He was negotiating a new deal in the summer of 2001 when he and the Spurs reached an impasse. Portland was willing to give DA what he wanted, but DA needed to sign the deal with the Spurs to get the full benefits afforded by the CBA. The Spurs signed him and then instantaneously traded him to Portland (along with Steve Kerr) for Steve Smith.

It was a textbook sign-and-trade and exactly the same idea that timvp is proposing with Artest.

I remember, thanks and sorry for slamming you, but the situation is different...

Why wouldn't Artest just test the open market?

[FromWayDowntown]

I remember, thanks and sorry for slamming you, but the situation is different...

Why wouldn't Artest just test the open market?

The only difference is that the deal bringing Artest to SA would occur mid-year instead of the summer before his free agent year. In all other respects, the situation would be identical.

[Holt's Cat]

Let's see.

DA signed a two year deal with a player option after the first year. He opted out and entered free agency.

Artest holds a player option for the 2008-09 season. He is reportedly inclined to opt out and enter free agency.

How are these two situations different?

[Ghost Writer]

Didn't Anderson want to play for the Blazers all along?:

http://www.angelfire.com/dc2/derek0/index.html

Cavailers traded Anderson to the L.A Clippers which was a shock for him but he managed to make some agreements. One of the agreements was that Clippers will trade Derek to the Portland TrailBlazers which somehow didn’t worked out so he choose to take a 1 year contract with Tim There not only he got his shot at his first chance at the playoffs but also he was an NBA Champion. Without Derek heating it up from the top of the three point line Tim Duncan and David Robinson wouldn't be able to body the opponents down low. Derek was credited with being at the top of his game, being in the best shape of his whole career. The next season he lead his team in steals and ranked second in scoring with 17.8 points per game. The most impressive was his career high 40.6% from three point range connecting on 342 of 402 attempts. In the NBA finals Derek lose four games to zero to the L.A Lakers to an injury. The San Antoino Spurs weren't able to re-sign Derek Anderson to a long term contract so he signed a long term contract with the Portland TrailBlazers.

[Holt's Cat]

How did Steve Smith become a San Antonio Spur?

[FromWayDowntown]

Didn't Anderson want to play for the Blazers all along?:

http://www.angelfire.com/dc2/derek0/index.html

Cavailers traded Anderson to the L.A Clippers which was a shock for him but he managed to make some agreements. One of the agreements was that Clippers will trade Derek to the Portland TrailBlazers which somehow didn’t worked out so he choose to take a 1 year contract with Tim There not only he got his shot at his first chance at the playoffs but also he was an NBA Champion. Without Derek heating it up from the top of the three point line Tim Duncan and David Robinson wouldn't be able to body the opponents down low. Derek was credited with being at the top of his game, being in the best shape of his whole career. The next season he lead his team in steals and ranked second in scoring with 17.8 points per game. The most impressive was his career high 40.6% from three point range connecting on 342 of 402 attempts. In the NBA finals Derek lose four games to zero to the L.A Lakers to an injury. The San Antoino Spurs weren't able to re-sign Derek Anderson to a long term contract so he signed a long term contract with the Portland TrailBlazers.

He may have, but the fact of the matter was that he had to sign with the Spurs to make it possible for him to be moved to Portland.

[Holt's Cat]

Anderson was traded to the Blazers on Wednesday for Steve Smith in an exchange of shooting guards, a deal brought on when Anderson rejected a six-year, $42 million offer from the Spurs last week and immediately committed to Portland.

link

[Holt's Cat]

at the thought of having to explain this to the resident expert.

[Ghost Writer]

He may have, but the fact of the matter was that he had to sign with the Spurs to make it possible for him to be moved to Portland.

Right.

Where exactly does Artest want to go that he needs our help in a sign-and-trade at the season's end?

[T Park]

I am not following... if Artest can go wherever he wants at the end of the year, why would he agree to a sign and trade?

So he could make more money and go to the team that wants to pay him said more money than us.

[FromWayDowntown]

Just to dot the i's and cross the t's on the Anderson story:

Because of salary cap restraints, the Spurs were only able to give the 6-foot-5 Anderson the middle-class exception of $2.25 million. Anderson was counting on the fact that San Antonio would make a much larger and longer commitment this summer. However, the Spurs were caught between a rock and hard place, in this case between Anderson and veteran center David Robinson.

San Antonio elected to give Robinson the majority of its $14 million of cap room, leaving less available to Anderson than the young guard had expected. The Spurs might have been able to overcome that, however, they tried to use some strong-arm tactics to get Anderson to sign, including a 24-hour deadline in which the athletic guard had to accept or decline their offer.

All the while, Whitsitt was continuing to court Anderson, even though Portland had less to offer Anderson financially than San Antonio. Anderson proved the money wasn't the biggest criteria, and announced that he was going to become a Blazer, even if he had to sign for this year's middle-class exception, which is a first-year salary of $4.5 million.

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Anderson didn't have to settle for the middle-class exception, which would have limited him to a six-year deal for $34 million. Whitsitt and Tony Dutt, Anderson's agent, were able to work out a trade with the Spurs, who agreed to take Smith as compensation. Anderson was signed by San Antonio to a six-year, $48 million deal and Smith was granted his wish to move on.

http://www.nba.com/blazers/news/Dere...ity010827.html

[FromWayDowntown]

Right.

Where exactly does Artest want to go that he needs our help in a sign-and-trade at the season's end?

For starters, to any team that's over the cap and wants to offer him more than the mid-level exception.

[Ghost Writer]

So he could make more money and go to the team that wants to pay him said more money than us.

Right.

Where exactly does Artest want to go that he needs our help in a sign-and-trade at the season's end?

[Holt's Cat]

Oh well, this has been a grand waste.