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How can folks say this is the flattest draft at the top, and also then say that trading up 2 slots (mind you, outside of the top 3) requires giving up a solid role player to do so?
Kawhi's VORP was 2.1 as a rookie, second season he was doing a great job guarding LeBron in the Finals, third year he was Finals MVP. Cade's first two years he was replacement level and Year 3 he's just crept into reasonable starting material level with a 1.2 VORP. When you say Cade is a surefire allstar in the waiting you're saying he's going to be better than Manu.Cade's so clearly on an all-star path that I'm baffled by your comments, bros. I don't even think I was saying anything controversial, tbh.
How can folks say this is the flattest draft at the top, and also then say that trading up 2 slots (mind you, outside of the top 3) requires giving up a solid role player to do so?
I'm not saying nothing of the sort, I'm just saying he's clearly gonna be an all-star. Is any all-star automatically better than Manu?
Manu was a 2x allstar; you seem to think Cade will be more than that.
I was thinking of this trade earlier and see you guys talking about something similar.
any thoughts?
I think Detroit could really use a vet aggressive scorer like KJ and spurs can take a shot at Ivey who might be worthless to Detroit next year. Spurs might be able to get him going. The difference between the two seems to be about 5 to 8 give or take a second round pick. I wouldn’t pay more than the price listed below though. Grimes is just salary.
I wasn't suggesting giving up a solid role player; I was suggesting giving up Keldon Johnson, a replacement level player. If he was going to be somebody he would have probably been it by now.
I'm with DAF, if all it took to get Cade was 4, 8, Keldon and another future 1st, I'd easily take that tbh.
He'd be pretty much the perfect PG to line up next to Wemby. Keeping Vassell and Sochan as well... that's a no brainer
Yeah, but I don't think any multiple all-star is automatically better than Manu. Heck, I think many MVP's are worse players than Manu.
Wishful thinking but I'm hoping that DWhite winning a ring and balling out for Boston raises Keldon's value somewhat. Get a young guy away from the old man and sky's the limit tbh
Don't see the perfect PG part at all. I remember when Spurs fans were spraying their pants over getting Antoine Carr after he put up 20ppg in Sacramento and Cade seems like kind of similar empty stats.I'm with DAF, if all it took to get Cade was 4, 8, Keldon and another future 1st, I'd easily take that tbh.
He'd be pretty much the perfect PG to line up next to Wemby. Keeping Vassell and Sochan as well... that's a no brainer
White was an absolute top tier defender when he was here. Keldon has done nothing to get that kind of comparison.Wishful thinking but I'm hoping that DWhite winning a ring and balling out for Boston raises Keldon's value somewhat. Get a young guy away from the old man and sky's the limit tbh
There had been slight talk in the past couple of weeks about the Bulls targeting Buzelis
What could the Spurs get in swap down to 11 if Buzelis is still on the board at 8 or even at 4 if the Spurs feel shut out on their top guys?
If it's 8, would Chicago taking off all protection from the 2025 1st be fair to swap down to 11? Or even changing it to top 4 protection instead of 10 then 8 then 8 then the 28 second?
Too little? Too much? Unrealistic?
Top 4 protection is barely any better than top 10 protection for a Bulls team that won't tank.
if both sheppard/risacher are off the board id be interested in moving down from 4, but dno about going all the way to 11. its a situation where id trade down with a memphis targeting clingan or somethin
You're underselling what getting out of Detroit does to a guy tbh
Hence the wishful thinking part
I mentioned that a while back and thought loosening the protections for '25 - '27 was fair.
I could see them trying to get Clingan if he was still available and jump Memphis. If Dilly and Carter were both still available at #8 then I'd definitely consider it since i don't see Memphis/Utah picking either guy.
Even lowering it to top 6 protected would be fine with me because adding Clingan is probably enough to keep Chicago mid by the end of next season tbh.
Who says it's the reason?
It could just be a matter of fit or even not being fond of ATL (He's been there to work out last summer)
As of Buzelis, I said it was sujective, but taking the body language into account isn't absurd big picture wise in addition of multiple other factors.
We value him differently. That’s cool.
Boston knew what Derrick White was, and could become, when they traded for him. Nobody is thinking, oh gee, San Antonio holds players back, maybe Keldon Johnson will grow a brain, start trying on defense, learn how to shoot, and do something other than put his head down and barrel into the paint come or high water if only we get him away from Pop.Wishful thinking but I'm hoping that DWhite winning a ring and balling out for Boston raises Keldon's value somewhat. Get a young guy away from the old man and sky's the limit tbh
I suppose I see enough risk that they might unintentionally tank
They could lose DeRozan in free agency, of it they keep him he could decline more than they expect at his age. Same with Vucevic. They could lose Patrick Williams as an rfa, and if he stays it's still a significant injury to return from. Caruso is no guarantee of health.
I could see them slipping to around where Brooklyn was while still trying to win
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