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In an interview with the argentinian press, Delfino said that Larry Brown told him that he was an asshole after he made a bad pass in a game. Also he said he wants to be traded.
Pistons leave Delfino off playoff roster
April 21, 2005
AUBURN HILLS, Mich. (AP) -- The Detroit Pistons left rookie guard Carlos Delfino off their playoff roster.
Some expected the NBA champion Pistons to leave reserve forward Darvin Ham or Darko Milicic off the 12-man roster, but both will be active.
Delfino averaged 3.9 points, 1.8 rebounds, 1.3 assists and 15.3 minutes in 30 games this season as he struggled with a knee injury. He struggled on defense often, and when he was taken out of a game on April 3 at Toronto for lackadaisical play, he shouted at Pistons coach Larry Brown.
Also active for the playoffs are: Carlos Arroyo, Chauncey Billups, Elden Campbell, Ronald Dupree, Richard Hamilton, Lindsey Hunter, Antonio McDyess, Tayshaun Prince, Ben Wallace and Rasheed Wallace.
The Pistons open their first-round playoff series at home against Philadelphia on Saturday.
In an interview with the argentinian press, Delfino said that Larry Brown told him that he was an asshole after he made a bad pass in a game. Also he said he wants to be traded.
A trade is on its way...
I translated this interview with an Argentinian newspaper:
He was angry, very angry. Just a few minutes ago he heard the news that Larry Brown, his coach, had left him out of the playoff roster. Carlos Delfino couldn't hide his anger when he spoke to Ole. "They ed with me1", was his first phrase, the same that he repeated many times in the next 20 minutes. "Officially, I don't know nothing, I heard through the media...Practise ended at three and nobody spoke with me. Not the coach, not the manager. I didn't expect it from Brown, who doesn't even salute me...But I did expect it from (Joe) Dumars, who supported me when I went to my country to have surgery for the second time (in his right knee). But that's how the game is played here, the person doesn't matter" the rookie forward started."Me forrearon"
Delfino no fue incluido ayer en el plantel de playoffs y explotó contra el DT de Detroit. "Quiero irme: que me cambien o me corten", dijo.
Estaba caliente. Muuuy caliente. Hacía apenas minutos que se había enterado de que Larry Brown, su coach en Detroit, lo había dejado fuera del plantel para los playoffs que empiezan mañana. Carlos Delfino no pudo ocultar su bronca en charla con Olé. "Me forrearon", fue su primera frase, la misma que repitió varias veces durante 20 minutos. "Oficialmente no sé nada, me enteré por la prensa... La práctica terminó a las tres y nadie se me acercó. Ni el técnico ni el manager. No lo esperaba de Brown, quien ni me saluda... Pero sí de (Joe) Dumars, quien me bancó cuando fui a mi país a operarme por segunda vez (de la rodilla derecha). Pero así es el juego acá, no importa la persona", largó el alero novato.
—¿Qué explicación le encontrás a esta decisión de Brown?
—Que quiere forrearme. Ahora está claro que la decisión la tomó antes. En estos dos últimos partidos jugué mucho y como ular (NdeR: el miércoles jugó 31 minutos), Brown se me acercó, me dijo que había andado bien, que podía jugar tres posiciones... Y ahora sale con esto. Pone a (Darvin) Ham, quien no juega hace rato y tiene un problema de rodilla. Me quería devolver gentilezas.
—¿Por qué?
—No me lo explico. Debe tener que ver con la puteada de la otra vez. Habrá quedado con rencor. Parecía que había cambiado en los últimos días, pero no era así...
—¿Y cómo fue eso de la puteada? ¿Vos le pediste perdón?
—Te cuento la verdad... Faltaba un minuto y el partido estaba definido. Nos ordena a Arroyo y a mí que entremos. Nos paramos y yo le digo riéndome a Arroyo ''se acordó de que estábamos''. Luego entro, hago una cagada y me saca enojado. Cuando paso por al lado me dice "asshole" (NdeR: insulto similar a forro o idiota), entonces lo puteo en castellano. Yo reaccioné, soy un pendejo bocón, pero lo hice porque me insultó primero. Es la verdad. Por eso no le pedí perdón, sólo hablé con Dumars y le dije que me había equivocado. Pero nada más.
—¿Siempre fue mala la relación de Brown con vos?
—Nunca vino, se me acercó o fue simpático. Apenas saludaba. El día que me lesioné por primera vez, me gritaba "corre, corre", y yo no podía. Al otro día me hicieron la artroscopía... Nunca supe cuál era su estado de ánimo, me enteraba por los diarios. Como cuando dijo que yo no defendía. El no se acercó a decirme qué hacía bien y qué mal. Nunca dijo las cosas de frente. No me deja nada como técnico. No sabe manejar psicológicamente al jugador.
—Brown tuvo problemas con otros compañeros tuyos y con Iverson en los 76ers. Son normales sus roces. ¿Creés que habrá sido por esa puteada?
—Sí, es verdad, ha tenido problemas con otros, pero yo no soy Iverson. A él no lo puede dejar fuera de los playoffs, a mí sí... Soy un rookie. Pero lo que pasó es algo normal en el profesionalismo, pasa en todos lados.
—¿No te habrá pasado la factura porque te viniste a operar a la Argentina y él no quería?
—No creo (piensa)... Todo fue autorizado. Acá le vieron el lado bueno, sabían que yo me sentiría mejor en mi país... Y así fue. Yo me sentí mal desde que volví...
Delfino tuvo dos operaciones de rodilla derecha que lo mantuvieron inactivo durante tres meses. Sólo jugó 30 partidos con un promedio de 15.3 minutos. Terminó esta temporada con 3.9 puntos, 36% de cancha, 58% libres, 1.8 rebote y 1.3 asistencia. Se esperaba más del santafesino.
—¿Vos hacés autocrítica?
—Ahora van a decir que soy difícil, que siempre tengo dramas con los técnicos, pero no hice nada malo. Tuve mi peor año en mi carrera. Pero más que nada por la lesión. Me dijeron que me iban a dar minutos y no fue así... Luego, cuando estuve bien, rendí. Pero tuve la lesión y jugar tan seguido es difícil. Ni hablar de agarrar ritmo tras tanto tiempo. Pero me demostré que puedo jugar en la NBA. Incluso en una pierna como hoy. Además, fui profesional. No jugaba e igual me entrenaba en doble turno. No veo un error mío.
—¿Cómo ves tu futuro?
—Para este tipo no juego más. Y tampoco quiero quedarme acá. Me siento forreado, basureado, acá la pasé mal. Hasta de Dumars esperaba otro gesto. Deseo que me transfieran o me corten. Tal vez lo digo hoy porque estoy muy caliente, pero de acá tengo los peores recuerdos de mi carrera y ya me quiero ir a mi casa.
Q:-What explanation do you found on Brown's decision?
A:- That he wants to fool me. Now it is clear that he made the decision before. In this last two games I've played a lot and as a starter (31 minutes on Wednesday), Brown approached me, told me I did well, that I could play in three positions...And now he comes up with this. He chooses (Darvin) Ham, who wasn't playing since a long while, and has a knee problem. He wanted to return the favour.
Q:- Why?
A:- He didn't explain to me. It must be related with my insult the other day. He kept his grudge since then. He seemed to change in the last few days, but now I see it wasn't like that...
Q:-How was that of the insult? Did you apologize?
A:- The truth is...There was only one minute to go and the game was over. He ordered to Arroyo and me to get in. We step and I say to Arroyo "He remembered that we're here". Then I get in, made a mistake (he says something like "I've ed it up") and he pulls me out angered. When I walk by him he calls me "asshole" then I insult him in Spanish. I reacted, I'm a big mouthed asshole, but I did because he insulted me first. It's the truth. That's why I didn't apologize to him, I just talked with Dumas and told him that I've made a mistake. But nothing else.
Q:-The relationship with Brown was always that bad?
A:- He never approached me, talked or was polite. I barely got a " o". The day I got injured for the first time, he shouted "run, run" at me, and I couldn't. The next day I had an artoscopy(I don't know how to translate that), I never knew what his mood was, I found out on the papers. Like when he said that I didn't play any defense. He didn't told me what I was doing right and what was wrong. He never said anything in my face. I haven't learned anything with him as coach. He can't deal with the psichological side of a player.
Q:-Brown had problems with other Pistons players and with Iverson in the 76ers. His rants are normal. Do you really believe that it was because of that insult?
A:- Yes, it is true, he had problems with others, but I'm not Iverson. He can't leave him (Iverson) outside the playoff rosters, but he can leave me out...I'm a rookie. But what happened is something normal in professionalism, it just happens everywhere.
Q:-Maybe the fact that you got surgery in Argentina and he didn't want you to, could have had some influence?
A:- I don't think so...(thinks)... All was authorized. Here they saw the good side, they knew I would feel better in my country...and so it was. I felt terrible since I came back (to Detroit).
Delfino had two right knee surgeries that kept him on the injured list for three months. He only played 30 games with an average of 15.3 minutes. His regular season stats are 3.9 points, 36% Field goals percentage, 58% Free Throws, 1.8 Rebound and 1.3 assist. More was expected from him.
Q:-Will you be critic of your performance?
A:- Now they will say that I'm difficult, that I always have problems with the coaches, but I didn't do anything wrong. I had the worst year of my career. But the main reason was the injury. They told me that they were going to give me minutes and they didn't...Later, when I was healthy, my game was good. But I had the injury and playing so many games isn't easy. And getting into rhythm after such a long time. But I proved to myself that I can play in the NBA. Even standing in one leg like I'm at this moment. Besides, I was professional. I didn't play but still I trained the double. I don't see my mistake.
Q:-How do you see your future?
A:- For this guy (Brown) I don't play again. And I don't want to stay here (Detroit). I felt like , they treated me like garbage. I expected another gesture, even from Dummars. I wish they trade or waive me. Maybe I say this because I'm really upset, but from this place I have the worst memories of my career and I want to go home.
It is a real pity. Because if he had been more patient he could have earned a spot in the playoff roster, no matter what Brown said about him, if he played at his best level (when healthy), Brown couldn't have left him out.
But I must say I'm not surprised with this, knowing that Brown is a coach who likes more experienced players, and Delfino, who might be a rookie in the NBA but has a strong personality, he isn't Darko. The clash was inevitable.
A lot of Argentines were saying this guy was as good or better than Manu.
Sounds like he turned out to be a spoiled, whiny beotch
No, he is not a .
But he is better than Darko and all the other reserves, including Darvin Ham, and healthy even much better than Arroyo. Man, the kid was an Euroleague super player. He even started the last 2 games of regular season. He is getting better after 2 surgeries. He is super worker and he practiced after hours every single day to recover as fast as possible.
He has a similar game than Manu, but with better shot. The problem is that he had some knee issues all over the year that will be no problem next year.
This was a "vendetta" by Brown. He wanted to say I am the super macho of Detroit. He is an idiot. Some said that Pop is exactly the same as Brown, but he is respectful with players, even though he yells at them he doesn't have this low game at udes. Brown is a good coach but he is not f...ing Red Auerbach.
Hopefully the Spurs will kick the butts of the Pistons.
I'll second that! Man, THAT will be a great series...
Any chance Delfino could end up a Spur? Even after all this?
He'll be traded for a 1st rounder or something similar -- probably something higher than the Spurs have. If it was possible to get Delfino, I doubt this episode would sour Pop on Carlos. Remeber Spree?Any chance Delfino could end up a Spur? Even after all this?
pop got jackson which had a bad rep with new jersey
He is not Spree.
He is a worker, and he is very coachable, sometimes he is a big mouth, but he is only 22, and he didn't pick the coach by his neck. He only answered an "asshole" with another "asshole", but he still worked after hours every single day.
Remember, that Larry Brown was bashing their bench players on the press after every single match. So things were not nice and all the "asshole" thing happened.
Gus.
Rookie is to have LB as your coach. Just ask Sean Elliott.
Larry's problem is that he always treats everyone the same: ty. Pop knows which buttons to push on which players, and who needs a hug or a kick in the backside. Bring Carlos on. If anyone is the whiney , it's LB. I remember his act wearing awfully thin here before he quit.
the article says that he wasn't approached by the team's staff or anyone, he found out he was out of the playoff roster from the news. Now that has to piss anyone off. And what's up with Brown calling him an asshole?? I don't care who the he is, respect is a must among coach and players and it has to go both ways.
EXACTLY. If a player had called his coach an asshole first, it would be the lead story on ESPN Sports Center. Bring on Delfino. He's only 23 or so. LB appears to be done with him. Of course, that's assuming he doesn't pack up his gypsy ass and move on yet again....And what's up with Brown calling him an asshole?? I don't care who the he is, respect is a must among coach and players and it has to go both ways.
Delfino will have to look at his options. Im sure there has to be 1 team willing to take him in. Maybe we could, Pop would make him a better player. In a reserve role be hind Gino if Devin isnt able to come back. He should bring shooting, but his free throw %. Hey maybe we can get Darko too. Seiously from what ive heard he is a good kid. Maybe with some help from the Spurs we could better ready him for life in the NBA in ater years. Or polish his game off to be behind Duncan.
We could conceivably draft someone for Larry/Joe and trade that player for Delfino. Don't bet on it though.
THIS is what angers me about Delfino, and it isn't larry brown. He never got a fair shake from larry, that I'll agree on. I think he's the 2nd best player on our bench.
HOWEVER, he is a complete prima donna. He had a MINOR knee operation, and then decided he needed a SECOND one, even though everybody was telling him his knee was normal. He ran home to argentina while his teamates were busy fighting for playoff positioning.
Delfino Missed over 60 games to his knee. He SHOULD have missed half that much.
Pistons management, larry brown included, BEGGED Delfino to come back and play. Delfino said he didnt WANT to playtill he was %100. Everybody on the team TOLD delfino that if he came back too late, he could be so out of shape that he would miss the playoffs. And NOW this little punk wants to COMPLAIN about not being on the roster?
Delfino is a VERY talented player. However, he VASTLY oversteps his boundries here. Carlos: WE ASKED YOU TO PLAY ALL SEASON AND YOU SAID NO! And now you have the NERVE to cry about being left off the playoff roster? Is this a joke?
Delfino will meet with Dumars sometime over the summer. If he wants to leave, Joe will find the right deal for him. But we own him for a few more years, so he doesnt dictate here. Grow up, you little baby.
Out of all the Argentines, why did we have to draft the one with a freaking vagina?
I'm sure if he wanted to come to SA or Pop wanted him, there'd be no problem. I'm sure him and Manu are buddies.
Someone pointed out to me that Manu replied to this in the Spanish portion saying something to the effect that both of them said things at the heat of the moment and that he wasn't siding with one of them. He goes on to respond I guess to another post saying don't you think Pop has said anything like that to me?and that as a rookie you just have to take it and be quiet and use it as a learning experience and challenge.
I remember before the season starting an article where Brown asked Manu about Delfino and Manu said something to the efect that he was very talented but had emotional issues and at ude that could be a problem. Have to agree with FeardaFro that he's not in the mold of Manu, Nocioni, Scola, Oberto.
I wouldn't bet on that. Remember last year (before the Olympics) when Delfino was saying he was better than Manu. He just doesn't sound that great a guy to have on your team.
I always knew that Larry Brown could be a hardass sometimes, but I didn't know that Delfino could be such a pussy.
It's not a kids basketball league. It's the freakin' NBA. If he would have been useful in the postseason, he would have been on the roster. What a pussy. The Pistons just won a championship and they have a good chance to get to the finals this season. They don't need this distraction from a player with emotional issues.
He didn't make the playoff roster. BFD. If he would have played better, followed the team's advice with his injuries, and stopped being such a whiny , he would have been on the playoff roster. Brown can be an asshole, but it sounds like Delfino brought this on himself.
If what Mundt and others are saying is true, he sounds like a cancer anyway.
I don't understand why Brown called him an asshole though...It's his fault that he put him in the game, but w/e.
We were up 13 in the last 2 minutes. We WANTED to rest our starters, so brown put in delfino, since we didnt have another backup SF.
Delfino half-assed it so bad the lead went from 13 to 6 with 50 seconds left. That FORCED brown to take the bench back out and put his starters back IN.
Brown was royally pissed, because some of his starters could have gotten hurt, just because delfino wanted to be a jerk.
If you put a rookie in the game, he makes a mistake and then gives you at ude when you take him out, he's an asshole. Sounds like LB was calling a spade a spade.
It wasn't that he was making mistakes. He wasnt even TRYING. I wish I could show the last 2 minutes here. He had like 3 turnoves in 45 seconds, all of which led to dunks.
Ive since forgiven carlos for that, but he is an idiot for brining it up again, since HE was the one that looked bad.
The really funny thing is that arroyo, a guy with a HISTORY of being disgruntled, was also benched, and he took it like a man, and didnt mouth off.
WHaddaya know, arroyo is back in the rotation, and playing more than ever. Funn y how that works.
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