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    http://www.politico.com/news/stories/1209/31054.html


    Cheney: Barack Obama 'trying to pretend'



    “[W]e are at war and when President Obama pretends we aren’t, it makes us less safe,” Cheney said in a statement to POLITICO. “Why doesn’t he want to admit we’re at war? It doesn’t fit with the view of the world he brought with him to the Oval Office. It doesn’t fit with what seems to be the goal of his presidency – social transformation—the restructuring of American society.”


    Cheney was joining a chorus of Republicans who have criticized Obama following the Christmas Day attack, in which a Nigerian suspect is accused of trying to blow up a loaded airliner with a bomb s ched into his underwear.


    A senior Democrat said in response: “It’s telling that in attacking the president and the administration, that Vice President Cheney did not condemn the attack against our nation on Christmas Day.”


    Foreshadowing the party’s strategy for next year’s midterm congressional elections, GOP officeholders have eschewed the customary partisan restraint following a terrorist incident, and have baldly portrayed Democrats as weak on security.


    Rep. Peter King of New York, ranking Republican on the House Homeland Security Committee and a member of the Intelligence committee, said Tuesday on NBC’s “Today” show: “I think that the administration has made a mistake by treating this terrorist as a common criminal, by putting him into the criminal-justice system. I wish they had put him into a military tribunal so we could get as much intelligence and information out of him as we could.”


    Here is Cheney’s full statement:


    "As I’ve watched the events of the last few days it is clear once again that President Obama is trying to pretend we are not at war. He seems to think if he has a low key response to an attempt to blow up an airliner and kill hundreds of people, we won’t be at war. He seems to think if he gives terrorists the rights of Americans, lets them lawyer up and reads them their Miranda rights, we won’t be at war. He seems to think if we bring the mastermind of 9/11 to New York, give him a lawyer and trial in civilian court, we won’t be at war.


    “He seems to think if he closes Guantanamo and releases the hard-core al Qaeda trained terrorists still there, we won’t be at war. He seems to think if he gets rid of the words, ‘war on terror,’ we won’t be at war. But we are at war and when President Obama pretends we aren’t, it makes us less safe. Why doesn’t he want to admit we’re at war? It doesn’t fit with the view of the world he brought with him to the Oval Office. It doesn’t fit with what seems to be the goal of his presidency – social transformation—the restructuring of American society. President Obama’s first object and his highest responsibility must be to defend us against an enemy that knows we are at war."




    Although Cheney and other Republicans have accused Obama of a muted response to the attack, President George W. Bush was quieter for much longer about the attack by shoe bomber Richard Reid in December 2001.


    Obama went before cameras on Monday, the third day after the fizzled bomb attempt.


    It was six days after the attack when Bush finally discussed the incident, saying as part of a response to a question at his ranch in Crawford, Texas: “[W]e’ve got to be aware that there are still enemies to the country. And our government is responding accordingly.”


    The day before, Defense Secretary Donald Rumsfeld had refused substantive comment, saying: “That’s a matter that’s in the hands of the law enforcement people.” Earlier, White House press secretary Scott McClellan had said officials were “continuing to monitor events.”


    Also, Democratic officials maintain that Obama is, in fact, comfortable with the notion that the U.S. is at war with terrorists. Near the start of his inaugural address, he said: “Our nation is at war against a far-reaching network of violence and hatred.”


    And John O. Brennan, assistant to the president for homeland security and counterterrorism, declared in an August speech to the Center for Strategic and International Studies: “[A]s the president has made clear, we are at war with al-Qaida, which attacked us on Sept. 11 and killed 3,000 people. We are at war with its violent extremist allies who seek to carry on al-Qaida’s murderous agenda. These are the terrorists we will destroy; these are the extremists we will defeat.”


    The senior Democrat said: “There are numerous other such public statements that explicitly state we are at war. The difference from the last administration is that we are at war with that which is tangible -- al-Qaida, violent extremists, and terrorists -- rather than at war with a tactic, ‘terrorism.’”


    As indicative of what they contend is Obama’s world view, conservatives passed around the recording of a statement Obama made while taking calls on New Hampshire Public Radio on Nov. 21, 2007: “I truly believe that the day I’m inaugurated, that not only does the country look at itself differently, but the world looks at America differently. If I’m reaching out to the Muslim world, they understand that I’ve lived in a Muslim country and I may be a Christian, but I also can understand their point of view. …


    “The world will have confidence that I am listening to them, and that our future and our security is tied up with our ability to work with other countries in the world. That will ultimately make us safer. And that’s something that this administration has failed to understand.”

    Hey I thought the Iraq war was going to make us safer. How did that work out? Thanks for the unecessary war you . I hope you die quickly. Merry Christmas all of you cheney nut huggers.

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    Hey, head, how did "The MBA Administration" and Repug Strong-on-NatSec Aces succeed in creating the TSA to make us safer?

    $55B and surely to explode due to one terrorist.

    And of course, the Repugs' GWOE (global war on employees) ed over and discriminated against TSA employees vs all other govt employees.

    Stationing US boots on Saudi soil makes the world safe for oilcos, but not for Americans.

    And tell us again how you, dubya, and Condi successfully activated the NatSec apparatus to prevent 9/11, which was 100% Repug responsibility?


    Maybe you were too busy drooling over and celebrating the $Ms in tax reductions for yourself that you just rammed through the Senate with reconciliation?

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    I agree one hundred percent with Penguin's good twin. BHO should have maintained that we are and will be at war, instead of changing the wording to oversea contingency plan. It just shows the instability in our foreign policy, to our enemies as well as our allies. Also if we are putting this guy into the American Justice system instead of putting him in a military tribunal, then BHO is making us less safe. He is a terrorist and doesn't belong in a regular jail. He is an enemy of the state as well as an asset for information.
    Like always GGA, you make no sense. Barry has said we are leaving Iraq, and a year later they are still planning massive amounts of attacks. I am not silly enough to assume that retreating from Iraq would lessen the number of terrorists or muslim fascists, but the libs and some on this board did make that point.
    However GGA, I am very impressed that you came up with a good article that is not filled with lies and out of context quotes. Good job.

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    I agree one hundred percent with Penguin's good twin. BHO should have maintained that we are and will be at war, instead of changing the wording to oversea contingency plan. Also if we are putting this guy into the American Justice system instead of putting him in a military tribunal, then BHO is making us less safe. He is a terrorist and doesn't belong in a regular jail. He is an enemy of the state as well as an asset for information.
    Like always GGA, you make no sense. Barry has said we are leaving Iraq, and a year later they are still planning massive amounts of attacks. I am not silly enough to assume that retreating from Iraq would lessen the number of terrorists or muslim fascists, but the libs and some on this board did make that point.
    However GGA, I am very impressed that you came up with a good article that is not filled with lies and out of context quotes. Good job.
    I don't need to use out of context quotes and soundbites like you do. One day you'll figure that out.

    Once again you make no sense. Barry didn't start the war to make us safer did. So now you agree that it was useless to invade Iraq under the pretense of making us more safe. There is hope for you

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    I was hoping would STFU after leaving office, but I guess that's too much to ask...
    I'm certainly glad he's no longer in a position of power...

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    Well, the country is at war, despite the change in administration. The current administration does play down that fact, which in some respects is the norm in American history.

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    i wonder if liz cheney is still pretending. huh, gga?


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    keep asking questions George Gervin's Afro's Avatar
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    i wonder if liz cheney is still pretending. huh, gga?

    has her marriage been destroyed beause her sister's gay and wants to get married? are you now telling us you support gay marriage like she does?

    I do't blame you for not commenting on the topic because your side d the iraq war that was supposed to make us safer.Now that has proven to have failed. you support failures and are proud of it.

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    has her marriage been destroyed beause her sister's gay and wants to get married? are you now telling us you support gay marriage like she does?

    I do't blame you for not commenting on the topic because your side d the iraq war that was supposed to make us safer.Now that has proven to have failed. you support failures and are proud of it.

    keep waving that flag. wave it proud.

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    cheney wants BHO to stop pretending that we're not at war with Islam/Muslims. That's the hidden message he's conveying to the faithful--that BHO is one of "them," not one of us red-blooded 'mericans.

    of course, people like SnC buy it hook-line-and-sinker.

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    cheney wants BHO to stop pretending that we're not at war with Islam/Muslims. That's the hidden message he's conveying to the faithful--that BHO is one of "them," not one of us red-blooded 'mericans.

    of course, people like SnC buy it hook-line-and-sinker.
    I said I agree with what he said. You are the guy with the illogical, unproven conspiracy. Seems you bought into it, since you stated it.

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    And people were outraged that Bush read My Pet Goat for 7 minutes.

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    What are you outraged about, Darrin?

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    I was hoping would STFU after leaving office, but I guess that's too much to ask...
    I'm certainly glad he's no longer in a position of power...
    He did for a while, until the left took advantage of him being retired. He had enough, and is speaking out now.

    Wouldn't you if someone constantly lied about the work you did?

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    Poor, poor .

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    I find it pretty bad when the current congress and president have to define themselves as by putting down people of the past.

    Why can't we look forward rather than back?

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    Why can't we look forward rather than back?
    That's a questions for that piece of Cheney. If that nobody from the past doesn't want to be ridiculed, he should shut the up and keep his failure opinions the out of the public's view.

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    That's a questions for that piece of Cheney. If that nobody from the past doesn't want to be ridiculed, he should shut the up and keep his failure opinions the out of the public's view.

    You and GGA need to get together for some anger management. Or, you two could just spoon.

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    That's a questions for that piece of Cheney. If that nobody from the past doesn't want to be ridiculed, he should shut the up and keep his failure opinions the out of the public's view.
    Yes, but ridiculing him today keeps it current, so he speaks up. Right? Then on top of that, he speaks of today's mistakes. Not the past. He is looking forward.

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    You and GGA need to get together for some anger management. Or, you two could just spoon.
    Or VXIX

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    You and GGA need to get together for some anger management.
    Hopefully, in the name of destroying the president, you people will destroy this country to the point that no safeguards exist to protect you.

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    I find it pretty bad when the current congress and president have to define themselves as by putting down people of the past.

    Why can't we look forward rather than back?
    Cheney isn't helping your cause much.

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    Cheney isn't helping your cause much.
    My cause?

    I respect the man. You don't have to like everything about someone or all their actions to have respect for them.

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    Hopefully, in the name of destroying the president, you people will destroy this country to the point that no safeguards exist to protect you.

    Overly dramatic much?

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    nm.

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