http://espn.go.com/video/clip?id=4788773
Might not be related to Spurs but just shows how that Wizard team is about to be broken up and we can benefit with some of the pieces..Jamison, Haywood
Even though I'm a dedicated spur fan I like washington. I'm from and in conn and butler played at uconn and I like jamison and the loads of potential they have but can't find a good leader. Now this. On another note before I got on the camby train. B haywood was atop my list. Does a little bit of everything. Would be a robbery if we got em.
Caron Butler has always been at the top of my Spurs wish list. Perfect small ball PF. Not an insanely bad contract either. Owed $9m this season and $10m next...
he was just trying to bring the Bullets name back
OMG! Say it aint so!
Butler wouldn't fit here, we have enough wings that need the ball..
Haywood on the other hand..
What a culture shock for Oberto. I hope his heart ailments don't come back. Imagine this, he goes from tight family, "good ol' boys" Spurs to potentially being a witness in a Federal Firearms Case. Did you listen to that report? He was interviewed along with about half dozen teammates about what they saw in the locker room. This situation and consider how dysfunctional Washington has been so far he must really miss San Antonio.
I guess we'll see tomorrow what's gonna happen to Wizards' team chemistry.
I guess I'm not really understanding why Gilbert pulling a gun on his teamates means that Jamison, Butler, and Haywood are up for sale for other teams trash?
I agree. I don't think it means so much that the team will be broken up but very well could land both of those dudes(Arenas and Crittenton) in prison for several years. That's ing insane. Rumors are it's over a gambling debt? Un- ing believable. It's sad what's happening to that team. What's Arenas' contract? 6 years 111 million? The Wizards drop all this money on him and Jamison only to have years and years of injury and then PRISON????
Even before this gun situation came up I was really thinking Washington really wasted its money. They've spent what, 160 million on Arenas/Jamison but gave up Mason? What the . I remember when this summer came around they were saying that they firmly believed that the core of Arenas/Jamison/Butler/Haywood had a shot at a le when healthy.....But they never got past the first round. The 2005 team that got swept by Miami in round 2 was before they swapped Kwame Brown for Caron Butler. Granted they are correct that 2 of the 3 playoff years had either/both Arenas/Jamison out, but the last time all three played together in the playoffs was 2006. Damn, time to move on. Too much time has passed to regain the mojo. There's a lot of talent on that team not reaching it's potential.
Maybe that's what the guns were for.... Gilbert twitters:
"peeps, listen, at the Verizon Center. Got $111 Mil. Got a talented roster. I've got a lot of things, like more knee surgeries than I have knees. but I don't got wins. 30% wins. Can't take it. Leaving this life at halftime. Can you hear me now? -Agent Zero."
looks like they will blow the Wizards up. Many contenders are probably gonna get a few pieces. Hopefully Spurs can dig in
So you don't think teamates pulling guns on each other is a sign of bad team chemistry????
Haywood
disagree. Haywood does not bring anything that Blair/Dyess/Rattliff don't bring.Haywood
if Spurs can somehow grab Butler or Jamison.... just hand them the trophy
man i was just looking at haywoods numbers and that guy is pretty awesome hes second in the league in blocks and off rebounds per game!! he avg's a double double pretty much. that would be great to have, but i wonder what kinda locker room guy he is
does butler or jamison play defense? i think jamison is pure offense if i remember correctly
Do I think it is a sign of bad team chemistry? Yea.. but it shows what many people thought and that Arenas is a punk. I don't think Arenas pulling a gun out on a teamate means you trade Butler, Jamison, and Haywood for filler.
You have 5 kids.. one of them beats the living crap out of another... doesn't mean you go and ground the other 3 kids that weren't in the fight. That's my point. If Arenas is the cancer (which seems apparent) it doesn't mean you give away your other good players.. and if you were the only way you do that is if a team is taking Arenas. So these trade ideas where you get Butler or Jamison or even Haywood for your scraps boggle my mind because there is no motivation for the wizards to do this.
Josh Howard pulls a gun on Jason Terry.. doesn't mean you trade Dirk for crap... Manu pulls a gun on Hill (which I have to throw this out there that i went to IUPUI with him) doesn't mean you try and trade Parker and Duncan.
Yes there is Chemistry problems.. but you don't solve the problem by getting rid of everything minus the person that is the problem.
...unless there is no way to get rid of the problem person, and with that 111mil contract, Gilbert ain't going nowhere. He also won't go to jail - at worst this will be plea bargained to a misdemeanor and community service. That's the way it goes for NBA players, sadly.
On the main point of this thread, if they are going to break up that team surely they'll be looking for young talent, high picks and expirings... we've got the latter, but neither of the former to warrant interest, except maybe George. Anyone giving up George/Bonner/Mason for Butler or Jamison? There goes a lot of our bench, but you'd have to think about it. And what if they want to throw in Crittendon?
Nice to dream though...
Remember plaxico burress?
Ok.. Try and take it your way.. If they can't get ride of Gilbert and his 111 million contract why are they interested in expirings. They will never get the cap space with that contract to sign someone.
If he goes to jail they will more then likely be given the option to void his contract.
And they have a high draft pick coming.. their's
I've wanted Brendan Haywood for some time...he's cheap and effective 6 mil on the last year of his contract
How about
Matt Bonner, Roger Mason, and Finley for Brendan Haywood and Randy Foye
Washington get some cap relief and starts over while having the option to sign Mason in the summer and him to get back to the place where it all started while Matt Bonner can be effective on the open court and Washington ultimately saving 2.5 mil by waiving Finley.
San Antonio we get a real Center with and expiring contract and a promising young player in Randy Foye who would complete well as a combo guard
There is no insentive to trade Brendan.. He is an expiring anyways so they wouldn't care about getting one back.. Foye, as part of a deal including Miller, they gave a top 5 draft pick up for.. They aren't going to trade two productive players on reasonable contracts for filler. And they definitly aren't going to trade Foye if they really have any interest in moving this team a long without Arenas.. breaking it up or not.
Remember Jayson Williams?Remember plaxico burress?
Plaxico played football. Plenty of football players go to jail. Not many NBA players.
The only recent example of an NBA baller going to prison was JR Smith's 30 days. Registered sex offender Ruben Patterson didn't go to jail, nor Ron Artest for any of his acts, nor Jax, nor Damon Stoudamire for his many weed infractions. Stern has pull.
Plenty of football players don't too.. Ray lewis.. Of course more football players are going to go to jail.. their roster is about 6 times as big.. more players more trouble. A judge is not going to be biased towards if the guy plays in the NFL or the NBA.. and if they were to be wouldn't it be the other way around? NFL is the most popular sport in the US afterall.
Federal and DC detectives are all over this case. If he actually did pull a gun on Crittenton, he's probably going to get some jail time. However, the details of the case are really weird and lots of contradictory stories so far. It will be interesting to see how it plays out, but I don't think they are going to trade away all their other good players though.
In case anyone hasn't seen the latest ... http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/news/story?id=4789650
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