Does Manu driving into the paint cons ute a post game?

[KobeSynco_TimQuattro]

In a discussion about the Spurs post game, a member of this forum who shall go unnamed made the argument that the Spurs do in fact have a legitimate low post game in way of Manu and Tony driving into the paint for runners.

Do you guys consider this a legitimate low post game for your team?

[wontstartdumbthreads]

In a discussion about the Spurs post game, a member of this forum who shall go unnamed made the argument that the Spurs do in fact have a legitimate low post game in way of Manu and Tony driving into the paint for runners.

Do you guys consider this a legitimate low post game for your team?

Yes. Manu driving into the paint, not getting calls, and missing shots lately is the perfect offset to Bynum and Gasol. In fact, we have twin towers with Parker also getting into the lane.

[KobeSynco_TimQuattro]

Yes. Manu driving into the paint, not getting calls, and missing shots lately is the perfect offset to Bynum and Gasol. In fact, we have twin towers with Parker also getting into the lane.

That's what I thought.

[Solid D]

In a discussion about the Spurs post game, a member of this forum who shall go unnamed made the argument that the Spurs do in fact have a legitimate low post game in way of Manu and Tony driving into the paint for runners.

Do you guys consider this a legitimate low post game for your team?

No, not really, except that it does draw some defenders away from the perimeter. A low post player typically has a better opportunity to score inside against post defenders, one on one. There can be similar results with Tony and Manu slashing, because of their effectiveness and, seemingly, eyes in the backs of their heads.

[KobeSynco_TimQuattro]

No, not really, except that it does draw some defenders away from the perimeter. A low post player typically has a better opportunity to score inside against post defenders, one on one. There can be similar results with Tony and Manu slashing, because of their effectiveness and, seemingly, eyes in the backs of their heads.

That's pretty much how I feel too.

If a low post game were that easy to emulate through slashers, every team in the league would have "legit post games."

I understand the concept behind the 2 of them slashing and kicking out to the 3p line, which seems to be the Spurs new go to play, but I don't think this comes anywhere close to replacing the value on a legit big man who plays with his back to the basketball operating, like you said, 1 on 1 against a defender.

[wontstartdumbthreads]

That's pretty much how I feel too.

If a low post game were that easy to emulate through slashers, every team in the league would have "legit post games."

I understand the concept behind the 2 of them slashing and kicking out to the 3p line, which seems to be the Spurs new go to play, but I don't think this comes anywhere close to replacing the value on a legit big man who plays with his back to the basketball operating, like you said, 1 on 1 against a defender.

WTF. You agreed earlier with me that Parker and Manu getting into the lane cons uted having a good low post game. Now you take the other side. You are horrible at basketball knowledge. I bet you don't even know how to dribble drive.

[Kobe_5_Duncan_4]

WTF. You agreed earlier with me that Parker and Manu getting into the lane cons uted having a good low post game. Now you take the other side. You are horrible at basketball knowledge. I bet you don't even know how to dribble drive.

I was being facetious with you since you said that Manu and Tony were the equivalent of twin towers.

Did you really think that warranted a legitimate response?

[wontstartdumbthreads]

I was being facetious with you since you said that Manu and Tony were the equivalent of twin towers.

Did you really think that warranted a legitimate response?

Oh. Sorry. I assumed you were being facetious with the original post.

[Solid D]

WTF. You agreed earlier with me that Parker and Manu getting into the lane cons uted having a good low post game. Now you take the other side. You are horrible at basketball knowledge. I bet you don't even know how to dribble drive.

Self-indictment?

[ElNono]

I understand the concept behind the 2 of them slashing and kicking out to the 3p line, which seems to be the Spurs new go to play, but I don't think this comes anywhere close to replacing the value on a legit big man who plays with his back to the basketball operating, like you said, 1 on 1 against a defender.

Must be new for ESPN forum regulars... Spurs been running that same stuff for 7+ seasons now...

[20beastie45]

any player that has the size advantage should at least get a play in the post. But a runner in the lane/post is not the same thing. So if Ginobili has Barea guarding him I'd day give him the ball in the post.

[wontstartdumbthreads]

Self-indictment?

I'm not smart enough to know if that was directed at me or the OP.
sooo....yes???

[midnightpulp]

No, not really, except that it does draw some defenders away from the perimeter. A low post player typically has a better opportunity to score inside against post defenders, one on one. There can be similar results with Tony and Manu slashing, because of their effectiveness and, seemingly, eyes in the backs of their heads.

Winner.

[Warlord23]

lol down to the last troll that is still able to start threads

[Kobe_5_Duncan_4]

Must be new for ESPN forum regulars... Spurs been running that same stuff for 7+ seasons now...

New go to play....


For 7 years this has been the Spurs bread and butter play? They didn't look to isolate Tim on the block? Or run the P&R with Tim and Manu?

Hmmm, strange... I thought they preferred those plays over Manu/Tony's drive and kick to a circle of 3p chuckers.

How long have you been watching the Spurs ElNono? I've been watching them longer than 7 years.... how about you?

[Kobe_5_Duncan_4]

Winner.

[midnightpulp]

What's so funny?

[Kobe_5_Duncan_4]

What's so funny?

Your understanding of the game.

[midnightpulp]

Your understanding of the game.

Then if my understanding of the game is so feeble, you should have no problem countering my arguments. Let's start again with this one:

And please elaborate how "vastly different" the effects a post-player has on the offensive game as opposed to a penetrator.

Both collapse the defense.
Both produce open shots for perimeter shooters.
Both put pressure on the opponent's defensive bigs.
Both produce high percentage shots.
Both produce a greater likelihood of getting to the free-throw line.

The differences are:

You can double and triple team a post-player, which is similar to the interior defense collapsing on a penetrator.

A post-player has a better field of view of the perimeter, having more passing options, than a penetrator.

You can also argue that a post-player wears out opposing bigs more and gets them in foul trouble faster. But this all depends on the player. Lebron James will probably get opposing bigs in foul trouble quicker than a finesse post-player like Gasol.

All in all, there's many similarities which can't be denied. But your massive ego will never allow you to concede a point or admit that you were wrong.

So again, just keep doing what you do here. Sucking Kobe's .

Every time you try to talk basketball, you fail miserably.

[ElNono]

New go to play....

For 7 years this has been the Spurs bread and butter play? They didn't look to isolate Tim on the block? Or run the P&R with Tim and Manu?

The go to play is still the pick and roll, even this season. I don't really expect you to know much of anything so I'm not surprised you have no idea what you're talking about.

[Beau]

I enjoy h2b more mounted on Midnight's wall than starting threads, to be frank.

[jjktkk]

To think history has hated the Spurs for several years, and has trolled Spur Forums for several years. What a life he leads.

[Kobe_5_Duncan_4]

Then if my understanding of the game is so feeble, you should have no problem countering my arguments. Let's start again with this one:

Let's start with the premise that you are coming from a Duncan taint licking POV, which forces you to make excuses for his inability to actually play the low post position. This puts you in face save mode and because you fancy yourself to be a wordsmith you think you can rationalize idiotic basketball fallacies.

Does guard penetration have the ability to break down a defense and force reactions? Of course. But that was never the question. It was whether relying on this type of play can take the place of a low post game and it can't.

Spurs drive with the intention of kicking the ball out for a low percentage shot: the 3p ball, hence the 3p chucking label. You have a slew of 3p shooters camping out 23 feet and beyond for most of the game. Which is why the Spurs have one of the lowest points-in-the-paint totals in the league. These "high percentage shots" are a figment of your Duncan-loving imagination.

Last night you guys even tried to chuck your way back into the game when you were down big in Miami. It was funny.

[Kobe_5_Duncan_4]

To think history has hated the Spurs for several years, and has trolled Spur Forums for several years. What a life he leads.

I don't hate the Spurs. I won't overrate their limited success and have a broader perspective of what lead to that success than their own fans but hate? No.

[Blackjack]

I don't hate the Spurs. I won't overrate their limited success and have a broader perspective of what lead to that success than their own fans but hate? No.

Limited success?

Limited poster.