It’s funny how people can be so partisan. For some posters, everything Clinton did was wrong and everything Bush does is right, and for other it’s the opposite.
Nbadan, extatic, boutons, C_b_F, cecil and others will never admit to anything Bush is doing right.
Same thing applies to Clan, TRO, Joch and others about Clinton.
It amazes me that there are not many posters in the middle of these two extremes (maybe Joe, I don’t know).
PS: I’m not calling out anybody. Those were just the names that came to mind first.
There are plenty of people here who are in the middle. We have our resident nuts, but for the most part the people here represent above average (intelligence wise) Americans. What did you expect?
To me....that is what politics has boiled down to. Too many politicians are more concerned with screwing the other party than helping people out and each side has there flocks of sheep bleating their support. Those people that are in the middle like Manny, myself and others (or is Manny one of the nuts?It’s funny how people can be so partisan. For some posters, everything Clinton did was wrong and everything Bush does is right, and for other it’s the opposite.) get ignored because of that.
i voted for clinton. i voted for W as well. only time i bring up clinton is when s like boutons say how ed up bush is when clinton did the same or worse .
Mikey, you are definetly in the middle. Manny, I don't know, he is very critic of both Republicans and Democrats. Does that mean he is in the middle?
I agree with Smeagol. There are alot of extremists on this board (and in life) that see everything in black and white.
as did I.I voted for clinton. i voted for W as well
I think Manny is in the middle, he might lean slightly left though.
THe problem is looking at the political spectrum in 1 dimension.
what has Bush done right?
If politics is a rode and there is a left, middle and right...then I'd say that I'm on the side of the road in a ditch.
People in the "middle" can be partisan too.
The landscape of politics should in the very least be considered as 2 dimentional.
I disagree. The landscape of politics shouldn't be considered at all. It is the consideration of politics that has led to the extinction of statesmenship. Keep your politics.
As long as there is ideology, people are going to try to label it.
"Politics" these days have little to do with ideology. Modern politics is nothing more than the art of winning elections.
Well, then strike politics from my above post and insert ideology. The content of the first post had to do with political ideology not polictical posturing.
I voted Reagan, Bush, Clinton, Clinton, Gore, Bush.
I thought Clinton was one of the greatest Presidents ever...I didn't give a crap out Monica Lewinski...but in hindsight he played a huge role in letting 9/11 come to fruition and Al Qaeda grow into a huge threat, not to mention selling out our National Security to China.
IOW...his foreign policy and "ignore it and it'll go away/ let's all be friends" credo bit us in the ass in the long run.
I despised W when he first ran and had a lot of the same criticisms that todays libs criticize him for, but after 9/11 I was very glad he was the President...I was glad we had a President that was Patriotic and wasn't going to be talked into weak appeasement foreign policy(like we and Europe have been doing over there for the last 100 years) by Europe and the left.
Right President for this era given the other candidates...if he wasn't I wouldn't have voted for him. If Gore had won in 2000 I'd have still voted for W in 2004.
Someday we'll get back to PC liberalism...but it's not going to be until we've cleaned up the middle east....
It has to be cleaned up...it is only going to become more and more dangerous...
No one else wants to do it...no one else is going to do it...no one else can do it.
I defend W now because he gets so mercilessly attacked by the left..you just don't go after the President during a time of war like the left has done to W...so for that reason I probably come off as being a conservative even though I am not one, except on foreign policy at this time.
I totally agree with the approach the administration is taking to solving the issues in the middle east...
Everyone acts like it's an easy solution...but we are essentially trying to undo all the damage that was done to that era in the 20th century...we are not going to fix what it took 100 years for the West, and 300 years for Islam, to royally up, in 3 years.
It's amazing that we toppoled Saddam as quickly as we did...it's amazing we have only lost 2000 soldiers since we have been there...easily the most successful toplling of a large military regime in history.
We made the right move with Iraq....we picked the right country to start with, I don't care if Oil was a side consideration or not...it was still the right place to start taking out the despots in the middle east...People just need to trust the Iraqis to pull this off when given a chance to show what they can do....and it will have a cultural impact across the entire middle east. THe administration is playing it straight and not trying to around with the internal politics of this war...I think that's the right move and the honorable on...even if we come out of it with a more theocratic government in Iraq than we would have preferred.
And I have always hated the way anti-war movement goes about getting their opinion out...always hated it....they act like a bunch of obnoxious brats. I've also always hated the blame America for every single ing thing mindset that modern intellectuals have...
Last edited by whottt; 08-26-2005 at 12:32 AM.
Dear Smeagol,
I've never bashed Clinton.
Sincerely,
joch
whottt didn't make the list?
Manny's definitely to the left...not boutons-left
I don't think Bush is a bad president but I do think he allowed his own willingness to go to war in Iraq cloud his judgement.
I also don't think he is doing enough to control our borders when he is so gung ho about national security.
But then again I know he covets the Hispanic vote.
There are always going to be those people who let their disdain for the "other" guy allow them to lose focus from their own true political goals.
Sorry for the mistake, joch.Dear Smeagol,
I've never bashed Clinton.
Sincerely,
joch
whottt didn't make the list?
whottt, as he himself has said it many times, is conservative in foreign policy (conservative to the point of wackiness) but not conservative in many other issues.
There are people who actually believe in limited government not because they are anarchists or against everything, but truly believe that it is best for the people of the nation. Americans need to have a great deal of independence, but they especially need a good dose of self-accountability and induvidualism.
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