since we'll open drilling offshore, (merely to sell to other countries that will have nothing to do with american oil independence) we could make a deal with china regarding all the rickshaws they have just sitting idle.
Obama rolled out his energy plan today in Michigan. Basically, he is calling for us to transform our economy in order to lessen our dependence on foreign oil. It may be a tough plan to put into practice, but I can't imagine that any plan that's attempting to effect real change will be easy.
since we'll open drilling offshore, (merely to sell to other countries that will have nothing to do with american oil independence) we could make a deal with china regarding all the rickshaws they have just sitting idle.
This is the best proposal for a sound energy policy that I have seen from any of the major candidates.
The best and fastest way to reduce our dependence on foreign energy is to encourage efficiency gains, and this plan has that as a priority. A lot of "bang for the buck" here, with some solid investments that offer the potential for creation of US-based jobs.
dumb plan. Let me guess this, the govt spends huge reserves on investing in alternative energy grids, auto technology, and the like, which will probably yeild no profit in the shorterm.
Then if OPEC really wanted to with us, they could boost supply for 3 years, have americans stop the purchase of overpriced fuel cars, and be back in square one.
Gey!!
John McCain's plan of both conservation and drilling the sheep anus out of our own supply is more sensible.
Seriously, who writes Obama's policies? I know there are probably some ivy league men in there, but it sound as if the Obama campaign held a contest for Nickolodeon viewers to submit plans on saving energy, and the winner got an Icarly squiggly pen and a trip to Orlando studios, plus the chance to write Americas energy solution.
So your argument is that we shouldn't make any changes to our economy because if OPEC increases supply we will have plenty of oil but be stuck with useless alternative fuel technology?![]()
IF changes didn't cost much, then i could care less. What the govt is doing is investing in endeavours of which the private sector hasn't seen much potential yet.
Hybrid cars being the exception, but that's been done with private money.
The government shouldn't only be worried about a risky longterm solution. It should worry about covering all it's bases in case things do not form the way planned.
In the early 80's oil cost took a nosedive after riding high throughout the latter part of the 70's.
Companies that invested in drilling on american soil lost their money, investment and cutback jobs.
We just can't say here's the solution, new technology!
We need to have everything done conservatively. Drilling for our supply, new technology and conservation. Those are McCain's plans of which he has spoken.
McCain is more reliable to follow through those plans. Obama's ideology does not permit it, we would have to trust that he will rise above partisan ideology to do such thing, if you look at his voting record, it gives no hope.
i know i'm ready for it
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Recent events belie your assertion. Obama is the candidate supporting the bipartisan energy bill that currently being held up in Congress, even though he doesn't agree with everything in it. McCain opposes it because he says he doesn't agree with repealing the tax breaks the oil companies have received in the past. So which candidate is letting ideology stand in the way of progress?
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There are none so blind....
Why do the board conservatives make fun of checking tire pressure? Isn't energy conservation "conservative"?
IIRC improper tire pressure was blamed as a leading cause of SUV tires separating, which caused a lot of the roll over acccidents
Except for the fact that 1) he's short on details and 2) some of them are impossible, unless he's going to throw a trillion dollars at the problem just to get it done.
Who pays the bill and who decides which million homes get weatherized? that. People should be responsible for weatherizing their own homes, not sit on their asses and wait for government to do it.Weatherize One Million Homes Annually....
More of the liberal 'the government needs to do everything for the people because they're too ing stupid to do it for themselves' stuff...
How? Are you saying that our communities aren't livable or sustainable?* Build More Livable and Sustainable Communities....
Why do dumb Liberals, like Barry, think we don't have enough sense to check our tires on our own. Well, maybe you do.![]()
Obama brought it up to illustrate how tire pressure/tune ups saves more oil than the proposed offshore drilling would produce. So if you guys think checking tire pressure is laughable and stupid, what does that make offshore drilling?
Typical lib. Do both. Comprehensive energy plan shouldn't just mean do what Obama wants to do or else.
Energy conservation has real cost savings that are felt immediately. Offshore drilling's effects won't be felt for 15+ years. (yeah, I know - drilling will produce a "psychological effect" that will reduce prices, right?)
Tires/tune-ups don't put shorelines at risk either.
Nuclear is the way to go. The risk is worth it.
I'm sorry you don't have a clue about speculation.
I'm sorry you think speculation trumps supply and demand.
This is such bull . If they gave oil cos the go ahead continental shelf oil would be at the pumps in less than three years.
Put shorelines at risk? When's the last time oil ed up the shores of Texas and Louisiana. Damn, one of the strongest hurricanes of all time (Katrina) plowed through the Gulf oil rig patch on its way to New Orleans and there wasn't a drop leaked.
But go ahead, keep talking out your ass, it's what you libs do best here.
By the way, McCain has called for over 40 new nuclear power plants to be built by the year 2030. Meanwhile, Obama's pussy footing around the nuclear issue saying 'we need to talk about it some more.'
that. Start building.
Talking out of your ass? You mean parroting right wing noise?
“Not One Drop Of Oil Spilled”? Not Quite
Analysis: Advocates Repeat False Claim About Environmental Safety Of Offshore Drilling
July 19, 2008
(CBS) By CBSNews.com producer David Morgan.
It has been a common talking point among advocates of increasing offshore oil drilling that Hurricanes Katrina and Rita caused no environmental damage when they decimated the oil infrastructure in the Gulf of Mexico in 2005.
This is aimed at assuaging the fears of many who believe opening up additional tracts of offshore areas to oil exploration will pose hazards to the environment and to tourism.
Ever since President Bush and Sen. John McCain announced last month that they would support expanding drilling beyond currently-allowed offshore leases (and Mr. Bush even signed an executive order allowing it), officials and pundits have continually put forth a dramatic talking point in the media about the safety of offshore drilling, even in the midst of a natural disaster.
As former Sen. Trent Lott told MSNBC on Tuesday, "We didn't have one drop of oil spilt when we had the biggest hurricane in, you know, recent history, Hurricane Katrina."
Former Gov. Mike Huckabee, R-Ark., also told Fox News on June 27, "When Katrina, a Cat-5 hurricane, hit the Gulf Coast, not one drop of oil was spilled off of those rigs out in the Gulf of Mexico. So we know that the technology to drill offshore is extraordinarily safe and environmentally friendly. And it's not something that we have to be as worried about as we do a refinery on shore or some other type of issue."
Newspaper columnists and editorial boards also jumped on the "not one drop" bandwagon. The Wall Street Journal published an editorial on June 12 saying, "Hurricanes Katrina and Rita flattened terminals across the Gulf of Mexico but didn't cause a single oil spill."
Meanwhile, on Monday Nancy Pfotenhauer, an energy lobbyist and senior energy adviser to McCain, said on MSNBC, "We withstood Hurricanes Rita and Katrina, and we didn't spill a drop."
And the Washington Post on Monday quoted Sen. Mitch McConnell, R-Ky., as saying, "I think people are reassured that not a drop of oil was spilled during Katrina or Rita. Those rigs in the Gulf, there was not a single incident of spillage that anyone reported."
Others have used slightly hedged terms, such as Gov. Bobby Jindal, R-La., who told Fox News on June 26, "That’s one of the great unwritten success stories, after Katrina and Rita, these awful storms - no major spills." And Interior Secretary Dirk Kempthorne told the Fox Business Channel, "When Katrina and Rita hit the Gulf Coast where we have about 4,000 oil and gas platforms … we had no significant oil spill." (July 15)
Gee, if so many people believe it, it must be true - except it isn’t.
In May 2006, the U.S. Minerals Management Service (MMS) issued a report stating that as a result of both Hurricanes Katrina and Rita, the number of pipelines damaged was 457, and the number of offshore platforms destroyed was 113, with a total of 146 oil spills recorded.
A study of environmental impacts written for MMS by Det Norske Veritas and Company and published March 22, 2007 told an even more detailed story.
As a result of both storms, a total volume of 17,652 barrels (or roughly three-quarters of a million gallons) of total petroleum products, of which 13,137 barrels were crude oil and condensate, was spilled from platforms, rigs and pipelines. 4,514 barrels were refined products from platforms and rigs.
There were 542 reports related to offshore pipelines that were damaged or displaced, of which 72 resulted in spills that had a volume of one barrel or more of crude oil or condensate. These pipelines were reported to be dented, kinked, pulled up, twisted or bent, pinhole or valve leaks or other damages.
The 72 pipeline spills were accountable for about 7,300 barrels of crude oil and condensate spilled into the Gulf.
The report noted that response and recovery efforts kept the environmental impacts to a minimum, with no onshore impacts from these specific spill events.
However, MMS also noted that an estimated 8 million gallons (or 191,000 barrels) of oil was spilled from nine onshore facilities in the Louisiana Delta, where large holding tanks were breached by Katrina.
The graphic below shows all 542 pipeline damages reported for both Hurricanes Katrina (299 reports) and Rita (243). Damaged pipelines are in red; undamaged active pipelines are shown in gray. Pipeline breaks accounted for approximately half of the more than 17,000 barrels of oil leaked into the Gulf. (Source: MMS)
Can we store the radioactive waste in your backyard?
I don't have any kneejerk objection to nuclear energy, but I'm not cavalier enough to say " it, just build em" either.
When it comes to figuring out how to store and manage materials that remain radioactive for thousands of years, maybe we should "talk about it some more" before we "just start in' building them".
Last edited by PixelPusher; 08-05-2008 at 10:50 PM.
Nope. Not one drop. No sir...
http://www.dallasnews.com/s/dws/phot...oil_spill.html
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